what caliber do you use, and what do bad guys use - Page 5

Double Naught Spy · October 21, 2014, 07:09 AM

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Anyways in one episode they were interviewing your typical gangsta thug type crack dealer and he pulls out a Hi Point which he refers to as his "40 cal Glock". What I got from that was most low-level criminals believe any polymer handgun to be a Glock.

They also had another dealer who referred to his Walther P99 as an "PP9" close, but no cigar. I'm assuming he he thought he had a 9x19mm PPK or something along those lines.

I know what you mean. I meet people at the gun range and there are some on here who think their handgun is a cannon or is artillery because that is what they called it. Close, but no cigar.

With a lot of people, attitude and presentation, the playing-up of features to look better than they are, are more important than reality.

Retired_Squid · November 4, 2014, 05:42 PM

As the new kid on the block at TFL and also the CC community, I'm a little over whelmed with the number of different opinions on what caliber to carry. Almost every post I read seems perfectly logical...so what's a guy to do?
I carry what is probably considered a "lite-weight" by many, and 'worthless" by a few.
I'm not one who believes in carrying a "hog" that will penetrate the target, carry a block down the street, ricochet off a light pole and strike a sweet o'lady crossing the street. I carry a Russian-made Makarov .380 with a 90 grain Federal Hydra-Shok JHP in the chamber and the mag stacked with alternating rounds of round-nose FMJ and JHP. I'm wide open for ideas and suggestions, but I feel like with lots of range-time and a "combat mind-set" I am perfectly armed for any encounter on the street. Whatcha think???

DA/SA Fan · November 4, 2014, 06:39 PM

I have the opposite theory. I'll try to miss the little old lady but I want horsepower. I'll be carrying a 10mm most of the time. Although I like it that way, I think you are golden with a Makarov and practice. I own other guns and don't really feel nekkid even if all I have on me is a .32.

Sight Unseen · November 7, 2014, 03:30 AM

I don't think there's anything wrong with carrying a .380. I'm not sure about the efficacy of alternating FMJ and HP though. I get why you would want to do it, barrier penetration and all that, but from what I've read I don't think that it's necessary. Also that FMJ round could be the one that you miss with and go careening through walls and bouncing off of light post like you're so worried about, that and it could also be the one you hit the potential threat with but not stop it like a HP would. However this is just my opinion and since (luckily) I have never fired a gun in self defense it's just that, an opinion.

45_auto · November 7, 2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by retired squid

I feel like with lots of range-time and a "combat mind-set" I am perfectly armed for any encounter on the street. Whatcha think???

I also have lots of range time and a "combat mind set". However, I feel that anyone who thinks that they are "perfectly armed for any encounter on the street" must have a very limited imagination and very little access to current news, no matter what they carry.

KSDeputy · November 9, 2014, 10:40 AM

I always carry a .45. I do have several Walthers in .22lr & .380 for backup. I am retired, so do not have any info on what the bad guys of today are using. I do know that my Sheriff's Office went from the 4506 after I left, to Glock .40's.

boondocker385 · November 10, 2014, 11:36 PM

So the vatos who are calling shots admitted to giving the orders to use revolvers. Had nothing to do with limp wristing.... Now I don't think they realize that most firearms linkages to crime are from the bullets but I don't intend to educate them. Glad to know the bad guys are just as uninformed as most gun owners.....

WildBill45 · November 24, 2014, 12:03 AM

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I don't think there's anything wrong with carrying a .380.

If you shoot it well it is a viable round. I carry big most of the time but, on some days I carry my baby Glock, model 42. If you use rounds using the Hornady XTP bullet they do well in most tests...

Sight Unseen · November 24, 2014, 01:07 AM

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If you shoot it well it is a viable round

Honestly I think one should be able to shoot well if they were to carry anyways, because from everything I've read shot placement is key.

WildBill45 · November 24, 2014, 08:51 AM

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shot placement is key.

A properly placed shot trumps caliber but, a bigger caliber in a poorly placed shot trumps a smaller one...

kutz · November 24, 2014, 09:09 AM

1911 .45cp. Sometimes 3", 4" or 5" but always .45 1911.

peggysue · November 24, 2014, 05:09 PM

Winter time I carry my Taurus M905 Titanium in 45Cold.

Sgt127 · November 25, 2014, 10:23 PM

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As the new kid on the block at TFL and also the CC community, I'm a little over whelmed with the number of different opinions on what caliber to carry. Almost every post I read seems perfectly logical...so what's a guy to do?
I carry what is probably considered a "lite-weight" by many, and 'worthless" by a few.
I'm not one who believes in carrying a "hog" that will penetrate the target, carry a block down the street, ricochet off a light pole and strike a sweet o'lady crossing the street. I carry a Russian-made Makarov .380 with a 90 grain Federal Hydra-Shok JHP in the chamber and the mag stacked with alternating rounds of round-nose FMJ and JHP. I'm wide open for ideas and suggestions, but I feel like with lots of range-time and a "combat mind-set" I am perfectly armed for any encounter on the street. Whatcha think???

I don't think you'll make it. You're done for.

I have a NAA .32 in my back pocket right now. Loaded with ball no less.

But, to be realistic, a good 9mm...40.....357 SIG.....45 hollow point may have less chance of over penetration than the .380 ball.

Jeff #111 · November 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

I've been a police officer for over 14 years. I've seen all types of firearms being carried by the badguys. Everything from a Walther P88 to Ravens and Hi-Points. I've also seen various AK models, slide action Remington rifles, single-shot shotguns, M1 carbines, over & under shotguns and pellet guns.

Several years ago we had a local thug decide to get some payback. He went and shot up several houses in a crazy couple of hours before we caught up to him. He was carrying a Winchester Model 1894 in 30-30. Those bullets went through the houses like the proverbial hit knife through butter - not to mention a couple cars.

The moral of my story? The bad guys will use whatever they can get. Oh did I forget to mention the guy with the Ruger Blackhawk in 30 carbine? That guy was walking around with a single action revolver that had a 7.5" barrel. He had it stuffed down in his pants like it was a Glock. The Ruger was stolen during a residential burglary. Felt good getting it back to it's rightful owner.

I carry a Glock 19 (9mm) both on and off duty by the way.

patreojames · November 29, 2014, 09:13 AM

9mm when clothing allows, otherwise a snubby 38 Special. The 9mm is a SIG P6, so it's comparatively heavy and bulky; I prefer its extra 3 rounds, but the snubby disappears far more easily. Either way, if I'm wearing pants, one of them is on me.

November 4, 2014, 05:42 PM	#102
Retired_Squid Junior Member Join Date: November 1, 2014 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1	what caliber do you use, and what do bad guys use As the new kid on the block at TFL and also the CC community, I'm a little over whelmed with the number of different opinions on what caliber to carry. Almost every post I read seems perfectly logical...so what's a guy to do? I carry what is probably considered a "lite-weight" by many, and 'worthless" by a few. I'm not one who believes in carrying a "hog" that will penetrate the target, carry a block down the street, ricochet off a light pole and strike a sweet o'lady crossing the street. I carry a Russian-made Makarov .380 with a 90 grain Federal Hydra-Shok JHP in the chamber and the mag stacked with alternating rounds of round-nose FMJ and JHP. I'm wide open for ideas and suggestions, but I feel like with lots of range-time and a "combat mind-set" I am perfectly armed for any encounter on the street. Whatcha think???

November 4, 2014, 06:39 PM	#103
DA/SA Fan Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2014 Location: Missouri Posts: 661	I have the opposite theory. I'll try to miss the little old lady but I want horsepower. I'll be carrying a 10mm most of the time. Although I like it that way, I think you are golden with a Makarov and practice. I own other guns and don't really feel nekkid even if all I have on me is a .32. __________________ "Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" CASTLE DOCTRINE STRONGLY ENFORCED "Happiness is a warm gun" Last edited by DA/SA Fan; November 7, 2014 at 04:55 AM.

November 9, 2014, 10:40 AM	#106
KSDeputy Member Join Date: August 15, 2009 Location: NE Kansas Posts: 79	What caliber do you use, and what do bad guys use I always carry a .45. I do have several Walthers in .22lr & .380 for backup. I am retired, so do not have any info on what the bad guys of today are using. I do know that my Sheriff's Office went from the 4506 after I left, to Glock .40's.

November 10, 2014, 11:36 PM	#107
boondocker385 Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2013 Posts: 640	So the vatos who are calling shots admitted to giving the orders to use revolvers. Had nothing to do with limp wristing.... Now I don't think they realize that most firearms linkages to crime are from the bullets but I don't intend to educate them. Glad to know the bad guys are just as uninformed as most gun owners..... __________________ No second place finishes in a gun fight.

November 29, 2014, 09:13 AM	#115
patreojames Junior Member Join Date: November 25, 2014 Posts: 10	9mm when clothing allows, otherwise a snubby 38 Special. The 9mm is a SIG P6, so it's comparatively heavy and bulky; I prefer its extra 3 rounds, but the snubby disappears far more easily. Either way, if I'm wearing pants, one of them is on me. __________________ Homes for Sale Avon Lake Ohio - RE/MAX Agent

November 7, 2014, 03:30 AM	#104
Sight Unseen Member Join Date: October 7, 2012 Location: FL Posts: 55	I don't think there's anything wrong with carrying a .380. I'm not sure about the efficacy of alternating FMJ and HP though. I get why you would want to do it, barrier penetration and all that, but from what I've read I don't think that it's necessary. Also that FMJ round could be the one that you miss with and go careening through walls and bouncing off of light post like you're so worried about, that and it could also be the one you hit the potential threat with but not stop it like a HP would. However this is just my opinion and since (luckily) I have never fired a gun in self defense it's just that, an opinion.

November 24, 2014, 09:09 AM	#111
kutz Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 393	1911 .45cp. Sometimes 3", 4" or 5" but always .45 1911.

November 24, 2014, 05:09 PM	#112
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	Winter time I carry my Taurus M905 Titanium in 45Cold.

November 26, 2014, 11:47 AM	#114
Jeff #111 Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2001 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,072	I've been a police officer for over 14 years. I've seen all types of firearms being carried by the badguys. Everything from a Walther P88 to Ravens and Hi-Points. I've also seen various AK models, slide action Remington rifles, single-shot shotguns, M1 carbines, over & under shotguns and pellet guns. Several years ago we had a local thug decide to get some payback. He went and shot up several houses in a crazy couple of hours before we caught up to him. He was carrying a Winchester Model 1894 in 30-30. Those bullets went through the houses like the proverbial hit knife through butter - not to mention a couple cars. The moral of my story? The bad guys will use whatever they can get. Oh did I forget to mention the guy with the Ruger Blackhawk in 30 carbine? That guy was walking around with a single action revolver that had a 7.5" barrel. He had it stuffed down in his pants like it was a Glock. The Ruger was stolen during a residential burglary. Felt good getting it back to it's rightful owner. I carry a Glock 19 (9mm) both on and off duty by the way.