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Old October 17, 2016, 11:40 PM   #1
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Concealed carry of legally owned item not covered in detail by local law.

I'm curious what your local laws and such say about Stand your ground and such in this regard. What's a good way to only use a baton, tactical keyfob/kubotan or knife that you own legally but have no reason to use for utility that you carry just in case.

Like, at what point are you just overstepping your bounds as a citizen by not retreating using a morally ambiguous defensive weapon.

I don't want any argument of the laws, but just say how you interpret local...nuances.

For example here any situation where you're breaking the law and have to defend yourself is super vague, even if the LA Riots led to some landmark stuff in that regard for WA legislation, we went a step backwards with i-594 a bit ago, imo. Made everyone scared that anyone *technically* breaking the law is being too boy-crying-wolf if they complain period.

Statutory versus judiciary law, I mean, it's a weird case on the West Coast, sadly, but I'm wondering where Castle Doctrine is too vague and statutory for Reasonable Man standard to apply with no jury involved.
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Old October 17, 2016, 11:56 PM   #2
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I have no idea what this is all about, and I see no reason why we should need to try to figure it out.
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Old October 18, 2016, 12:00 AM   #3
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If you use a non-firearm weapon against someone and that use is determined to constitute deadly force then you'll have to show exactly the same level of justification as if you had used a firearm. If you are in a duty-to-retreat region of the U.S. then that duty applies regardless of what potentially deadly weapon you plan to use to defend yourself.

Deadly force is deadly force regardless of what type of weapon is used to apply it. You won't get any legal leeway for applying deadly force with a 2x4 vs. shooting someone.
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...a baton, tactical keyfob/kubotan or knife that you own legally...
Be very, very careful here. Legally owning something is ZERO guarantee of being able to carry it legally. In TX, I can go to the grocery store and buy an item that would get me charged if I were caught carrying it as a weapon.
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Old October 18, 2016, 12:01 AM   #4
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Good response, John. We'll leave it at that.
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