Would this hurt my shoulder?

Yodwinder · April 20, 2009, 11:12 AM

10 Gauge Pump: here

And maybe some slugs: here

zippy13 · April 20, 2009, 11:16 AM

Youbetcha!

Yodwinder · April 20, 2009, 11:18 AM

bwheasler · April 20, 2009, 11:44 AM

Are you into pain, gas operated would be less painful, or a mercury recoil suppesssor? Either way, it's a lot of shotgun

TxGun · April 20, 2009, 12:36 PM

Depends on your tolerance for recoil. Some guys can barely handle a 30-06 rifle, or a 12 gauge shotgun. Some guys can shoot a box of 338 Win. Mag, or a 10 gauge pump like the Browning or old Ithaca, and not give it much thought.

**Mike Irwin** · April 20, 2009, 12:39 PM

No.

IT WILL RIP IT CLEAN OFF!!!

Yodwinder · April 20, 2009, 12:46 PM

Heh, I've shot 308 and 12 ga. slugs. Neither of which really bothered me that much. Granted, I've not shot a full box of ammo though either but the recoil didn't bother me either way.

B. Lahey · April 20, 2009, 12:48 PM

Isn't that the whole point?

rantingredneck · April 20, 2009, 12:55 PM

A 1 3/4 oz projectile at 1280FPS.

That's gonna smart some.

I have shot these:

http://www.winchester.com/products/c...56&bn=5&use=12

in 12 ga 3.5". They hurt. (2oz #6 at 1300FPS)

The 10 ga slug will hurt a little less from that gun, but still it will hurt.

BigJimP · April 20, 2009, 01:49 PM

I think all you studs ought to buy at least one 10ga ..... ( maybe 2 or 3 )....

Been there, did that .... it was fun

rantingredneck · April 20, 2009, 01:52 PM

I don't even shoot the 3.5" 12 ga. (Mossberg 835) anymore.

It's strictly kept around to allow my nephews to punish themselves with recoil if they choose.

I have other, more sensible options for loaner guns for them, but they gravitate toward the "three and a half" for some reason........

BigJimP · April 20, 2009, 01:56 PM

If you wet yourself laughing at this again - its not my fault ....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324628

its at my expense / but its not my fault ....

Willie Lowman · April 20, 2009, 07:38 PM

It's ok, you think you have something to prove. Go ahead and hurt yourself, you will be more of a man for it and we will respect you more... Women will want to meet you, boys will want to grow up to be like you.

Do you intend to kill some kind of critter with that sett up or are you just looking to put huge chunks of lead in the air?

I won't be impressed till you shoot it one handed from the hip.

rantingredneck · April 20, 2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

If you wet yourself laughing at this again - its not my fault ....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324628

its at my expense / but its not my fault ....

Jim, That was a hoot. I'd never read it before, thanks for sharing your pain

.

A fellow who used to hunt with us hunted with an Ithaca 10 gauge. Don't remember the model number. What tickled me most about it was that he was about 150 lbs soaking wet and the gun was literally bigger than him. He shot it well though and killed lots of deer and who knows how many turkeys with it over the years.

He had his second spinal surgery about a year ago though and I think the 10 gauge is out for him, along with probably the 12 gauge. He'd given up hunting several years prior to his surgery as his neck/arm/shoulder was bothering him quite a bit. It was literally all he could do to get up and go to work (welder). He went home every night and self medicated with a 12 pack if you know what I mean. Since his surgery he is on permanent disability at 59.

The 10 ga didn't cause his troubles exactly. His tumble from a treestand 25 years ago (the cause of his first spinal surgery) is the likely culprit. I'm sure all those years afterward of 10 ga recoil didn't help much.

Yet another reason I've moderated my shooting habits somewhat since my own treestand tumble and spinal fusion 19 mos ago.

zippy13 · April 21, 2009, 12:12 AM

Reading the anecdotes, this post's replies got me thinking: Why would anyone really want a 10-ga recoil generator? There aren't many 10-ga slug, upland, nor target loads on the market. The answer is simple, a water-fowler wants a 10-ga for steel shot. Because steel is less dense than lead, more volume is needed, and a steel 10-ga replaces a lead 12-ga.

Might a 3" 12-ga shooting lead kick more than 3-1/2" 10-ga shooting steel?

I looked at Browning BPSs (selected by the OP) and the 10-ga is 2-1/4 pounds, or 27%, heaver than the 12-ga model.
Let's look at steel and lead 1-3/4 oz loads (NS10M & PHV12M by Remington) with payloads similar to the slug shown by the OP:
The 10-ga 3-1/2" waterfowl steel load Nitro Steel High Velocity has a muzzle velocity of 1260 fps, and a similar 12-ga 3" turkey load (plated lead) Premier High Velocity Mag is up a little at 1300 fps.
You can run the numbers, if you want (the difference of the squares of the velocities is 6.4%), won't the 27% heavier 10-ga have significantly less felt recoil (kick) than the similarly loaded 12-ga?

Some food for thought,
Pete

Catfishman · April 21, 2009, 12:21 AM

Quote:

It's ok, you think you have something to prove. Go ahead and hurt yourself, you will be more of a man for it and we will respect you more... Women will want to meet you, boys will want to grow up to be like you.

Very funny!

Seriously though. For some reason I'd like to know how does a 10 gauge recoil compared to a 12 gauge?

olddrum1 · April 21, 2009, 12:31 AM

I whole heartedly agree Zonethree.

TxGun · April 21, 2009, 12:34 AM

Recoil from a 3 1/2" 12 ga. with the same shot size is roughly comparable to the 3 1/2" 10 ga. IMO. I've shot both and the 10 ga. is heavier enough over the 12, at least in the example I shot (BPS Stalker), that recoil felt approximately like the 12 with the 3 1/2", maybe even a max. 3". Not terrible at all, but noticeable. It certainly didn't "break my shoulder", "tear my arm off", "rattle my teeth loose" or any of the other shotgun mayhem myths people like to perpetuate.

earlthegoat2 · April 21, 2009, 05:13 AM

Maybe get the SP-10 or Browning Gold 10 ga for at least a little recoil taming

B.L.E. · April 21, 2009, 06:05 AM

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Seriously though. For some reason I'd like to know how does a 10 gauge recoil compared to a 12 gauge?

Usually, a 10 gauge shotgun is a little heavier than its 12 gauge counterpart and that extra weight tends to tame the recoil some. Also, there is some overlap in shot amount. A magnum 12 gauge may have more shot in it than a non-magnum 10 gauge. Ultimately, it's the weight of the shot, not the size of the barrel that makes a gun kick. I would bet you could custom load some 1 1/8 ounce 10 gauge loads and it would be more pleasant to shoot than the same load in a 12 gauge simply because the gun would weigh more.

A couple of days ago, someone let me shoot his double barrel 6 gauge muzzle loading shotgun. The load was 2 ounces of shot and a "goodly" amount of gunpowder. But, because that gun must have weighed about 14 pounds or so, it was surprisingly pleasant to shoot, I could have shot it all day.
The size of the holes in the barrel made me nickname it "Elmer Fudd's Shotgun". A 6 gauge is a .91 inch bore.

April 20, 2009, 11:12 AM	#1
Yodwinder Member Join Date: April 3, 2009 Posts: 36	Would this hurt my shoulder? 10 Gauge Pump: here And maybe some slugs: here

April 20, 2009, 11:44 AM	#4
bwheasler Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Indianapolis In Posts: 108	Depends Are you into pain, gas operated would be less painful, or a mercury recoil suppesssor? Either way, it's a lot of shotgun

April 20, 2009, 12:48 PM	#8
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,857	Isn't that the whole point? __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

April 20, 2009, 12:55 PM	#9
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	A 1 3/4 oz projectile at 1280FPS. That's gonna smart some. I have shot these: http://www.winchester.com/products/c...56&bn=5&use=12 in 12 ga 3.5". They hurt. (2oz #6 at 1300FPS) The 10 ga slug will hurt a little less from that gun, but still it will hurt. __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

April 20, 2009, 01:52 PM	#11
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	I don't even shoot the 3.5" 12 ga. (Mossberg 835) anymore. It's strictly kept around to allow my nephews to punish themselves with recoil if they choose. I have other, more sensible options for loaner guns for them, but they gravitate toward the "three and a half" for some reason........ __________________ NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link)

April 20, 2009, 11:16 AM	#2
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Youbetcha!

April 20, 2009, 11:18 AM	#3
Yodwinder Member Join Date: April 3, 2009 Posts: 36

April 20, 2009, 12:36 PM	#5
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Family ranch - Central TX. Posts: 467	Depends on your tolerance for recoil. Some guys can barely handle a 30-06 rifle, or a 12 gauge shotgun. Some guys can shoot a box of 338 Win. Mag, or a 10 gauge pump like the Browning or old Ithaca, and not give it much thought.

April 20, 2009, 12:39 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	No. IT WILL RIP IT CLEAN OFF!!! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

April 20, 2009, 12:46 PM	#7
Yodwinder Member Join Date: April 3, 2009 Posts: 36	Heh, I've shot 308 and 12 ga. slugs. Neither of which really bothered me that much. Granted, I've not shot a full box of ammo though either but the recoil didn't bother me either way.

April 20, 2009, 01:49 PM	#10
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I think all you studs ought to buy at least one 10ga ..... ( maybe 2 or 3 ).... Been there, did that .... it was fun

April 20, 2009, 01:56 PM	#12
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	If you wet yourself laughing at this again - its not my fault .... http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324628 its at my expense / but its not my fault ....

April 20, 2009, 07:38 PM	#13
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	It's ok, you think you have something to prove. Go ahead and hurt yourself, you will be more of a man for it and we will respect you more... Women will want to meet you, boys will want to grow up to be like you. Do you intend to kill some kind of critter with that sett up or are you just looking to put huge chunks of lead in the air? I won't be impressed till you shoot it one handed from the hip. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

April 21, 2009, 12:12 AM	#15
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	12-ga kicks harder than 10-ga! Reading the anecdotes, this post's replies got me thinking: Why would anyone really want a 10-ga recoil generator? There aren't many 10-ga slug, upland, nor target loads on the market. The answer is simple, a water-fowler wants a 10-ga for steel shot. Because steel is less dense than lead, more volume is needed, and a steel 10-ga replaces a lead 12-ga. Might a 3" 12-ga shooting lead kick more than 3-1/2" 10-ga shooting steel? I looked at Browning BPSs (selected by the OP) and the 10-ga is 2-1/4 pounds, or 27%, heaver than the 12-ga model. Let's look at steel and lead 1-3/4 oz loads (NS10M & PHV12M by Remington) with payloads similar to the slug shown by the OP: The 10-ga 3-1/2" waterfowl steel load Nitro Steel High Velocity has a muzzle velocity of 1260 fps, and a similar 12-ga 3" turkey load (plated lead) Premier High Velocity Mag is up a little at 1300 fps. You can run the numbers, if you want (the difference of the squares of the velocities is 6.4%), won't the 27% heavier 10-ga have significantly less felt recoil (kick) than the similarly loaded 12-ga? Some food for thought, Pete

April 21, 2009, 12:31 AM	#17
olddrum1 Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 807	I whole heartedly agree Zonethree.

April 21, 2009, 12:34 AM	#18
TxGun Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Family ranch - Central TX. Posts: 467	Recoil from a 3 1/2" 12 ga. with the same shot size is roughly comparable to the 3 1/2" 10 ga. IMO. I've shot both and the 10 ga. is heavier enough over the 12, at least in the example I shot (BPS Stalker), that recoil felt approximately like the 12 with the 3 1/2", maybe even a max. 3". Not terrible at all, but noticeable. It certainly didn't "break my shoulder", "tear my arm off", "rattle my teeth loose" or any of the other shotgun mayhem myths people like to perpetuate.

April 21, 2009, 05:13 AM	#19
earlthegoat2 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Lowcountry Posts: 373	Maybe get the SP-10 or Browning Gold 10 ga for at least a little recoil taming