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January 8, 2013, 04:54 PM | #76 |
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I foresee "compliant" ARs whatever that may be.
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January 8, 2013, 06:32 PM | #79 |
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So, are gun owners going to bring nothing to the table in the coming debate? It seems like we don't have much of a 'lever' to demand anything...I know that people say that once it starts, there will be no end to it; and that we cannot give even an inch, as they will take a mile. But, what about the analogy of a tree that is able to bend and sway in the wind so as to not break?
So, do we not have ANY proposal to change gun laws in any way? I know that additional gun laws would not have prevented the recent tragedies, but it also seems that change is coming, regardless. I think what they want is for "assault weapons" to be less ubiquitous and more expensive, making them more like SBRs, fully automatic firearms, and sound suppressors. I don't think I have ever heard of one of these being used in a crime. Why? Because it takes money to own them and balls to walk in and get the sheriff to sign off. The gun enthusiasts who have them don't commit crimes. Should we be willing to bend on this issue? What if we were willing to bend, and we got less restrictive regulation of SBRs and suppressors in return? I don't know; and I am willing to stand where the NRA tells me to stand, even to go down with the ship. But I am thinking that maybe us gun owners should equip ourselves with some kind of 'lever' so that we don't get totally steamrolled. I realize that our 'lever' has ever been the 2nd amendment but it wouldn't hurt to have another. |
January 8, 2013, 06:35 PM | #80 |
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After all the flack the NRA took over micro stamping study I think they are not interested in bringing anything new in.
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January 8, 2013, 06:38 PM | #81 |
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mattamuskeet, what I would bring to the table would be the list of laws already in effect, that are not enforced, and the suggestion that just maybe they should enforce them.
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Let's say we agreed to have "assault" rifles lumped in with the NFA in return for the restrictions being loosened on, say, suppressors. A year or two later, there would be a call to tighten those restrictions back up, and we'd be worse off than we were before. We've already given plenty and gotten nothing in return. No thanks. Quote:
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January 8, 2013, 07:17 PM | #83 |
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I will be damned if a single person comes to take my weapon or asks me for an additional tax
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January 8, 2013, 07:58 PM | #84 |
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Former Congresswoman Giffords and her husband forming this new PAC scares the bejesus out of me.
Also, former (some would say disgraced) General McCrystal speaking out about the over lethality of the .223 makes me want to rip the U.S. Army patch of off my range bag.
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January 8, 2013, 09:11 PM | #85 |
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Mattamuskeet: Unfortunately the other side isn't interested in any sort of compromise except in the sense of how much we will allow them to take.
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January 8, 2013, 09:29 PM | #86 |
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There's no way the other side would give up some slack on suppressors. If assault rifles can "rip a deer to shreds", then "silent assasins" will also walk the streets and rule the night with their silencers.
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Looking at it the wrong way....
It is NOT a case of needing to be a tree that bends in the wind, which automatically assumes the anti's arguments (the wind) are inevitable and overpowering.
What it is, is a case of throwing yet another baby out of the sleigh, in the hopes the wolves will eat and go away. They will eat. Gladly. But they do not go away. And knowing that you will feed them, only makes them more aggressive and hungry. Now, some of the babies that have already been eaten have been our flesh and blood, and dear to us, because of it. And we still suffer from their loss. We are well past the point of expendable relatives. And even if you still have someone you are willing to throw to the wolves, I no longer do. And furthermore I am unwilling to allow you to be thrown out, on principle. Nor, will I jump out to save you. Because it wouldn't work, anyway. No matter what argument you come up with for lightening the sleigh, the fact is that our horses cannot run faster than the law allows. And those who are urging "compromise" are simply ignoring the reality in the hopes that they won't be the next one out of the sleigh. False hopes, but stong and sincere ones. There are other analogies involving wolves, and the wolves know them. That is why they are in such a hurry to eat us, before other factors can come into play.
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January 9, 2013, 06:06 AM | #88 |
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ABC news reported President Obama plans on using executive orders. Looking for it in print.
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The report I heard was that he was going to instruct federal agencies to tighten up in the failures to implement in current laws, implementing the mental health provisions of NICS.
Unless we have a concrete order, let's not go off on this. Listening to the news this morning, I heard an ex-legislator from Arkansas discuss how the hunters can be split off from the gun nutsos. You don't need 47 rounds to shoot a deer or you can go to the range, she drawled. That is going to be a big point - hunting is mildly acceptable as will be skeet. Other guns are for lunatics. Thus, the tool argument or sports arguments will be losing strategies and simply pandering.
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January 9, 2013, 11:35 PM | #90 |
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Poodle shooter?....
I have serious doubts about "Big Stan". He got burned with the Pat Tillman mess too.
I heard a lot of OEF troops couldn't stand him. He reportedly only eats 1 meal a day & while in charge of US forces, cut all the fast food & MWR outlets in Afganistan(Subway, Burger King, Starbucks, etc). Many spec-ops & SEALs call the 5.56mm the "poodle shooter". Many set up custom 7.62 rifles for "business". The new 6.8SPCII got a lot of press too in the 2000s but it's seems to drop off now(2013). ClydeFrog |
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January 10, 2013, 02:04 AM | #92 |
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veterans & guns....
I disagree with AS.
I'm a US armed forces veteran & get VA benefits. I, for one, do not support veterans having diagnosed mental health disorders, obtaining 100% VA disability(saying they can't work or hold a job), taking medications then claiming they can hunt or carry loaded firearms concealed without any problems. I'm sorry, but you can't be crazy when you feel like it or get federal benefits for PTSD/bi-polar/TBIs etc then think you can safely handle a loaded firearm. These are just my personal views. If it was a voter issue & passed(allowing veterans with mental health issues to carry concealed or hunt), I could live with it. FWIW; I disagreed with allowing concealed firearms in bars/nightclubs but VA's new law later showed a decrease in gun crimes in bars-restaurants after the law passed. Clyde |
January 10, 2013, 11:51 AM | #93 |
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AR 15 type guns & magazines will go the way of machine guns. They will be classified as NFA, with no new production for civilians.
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January 10, 2013, 02:52 PM | #96 |
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This may be a dumb idea, but what about a national firearms permit?
With this permit you could buy/sell a firearm and buy ammo or primers. You could sell in a private sale to any other permit holder. This could also be used as a concelled carry permit were legal. You get the permit automatically if you are law enforcement, active military or discharged military with an honorable discharge. All other must go through gun safety and firearms training at their own expense. Those trained will have to have at least three trainers. Any trainer may flag a trainee as "unstable" and require a review process before the permit is issued. All those with criminal records, no honorable discharge or mental health issues will be disqualified. I know that we view firearms ownership as a right, not a privilege so there might be some difficulty in crafting legislation. |
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I don't see any advantage at all for the permit you are describing. It also goes a long way toward changing the 2nd amendment to a privilege, not a right I was born with.
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January 10, 2013, 04:05 PM | #98 |
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Yes, my point excactly. But some system that controls access of firearms to the qualified is needed. It would be better than than gun bans that do nothing and you would not need to wait on a check before buting a gun. You would only need to check that the permit is valid. Maybe we could call it a license and you would have to pay a small tax to get it. You already have to pay a tax to get a class three weapon. The governments right to tax is well estabished.
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I think what he may be trying to get at is more or less a portable pre wrote background check under the disguise as a "license". If there is no requirement to have it in order to own a firearm nor any kind of registration or cost, with its only use being to buy a gun from a dealer then that's more or less what it would amount to.
Then again why can't I just show my drivers license and let the dealer call me in from that, there is no reason for me to fill out a form if I have some ID that verifies who I am and the dealer has to call to make sure I'm ok anyway. of course with the form they have all those questions that may get an unknowing person into a "lying on a federal form" trap if they happen to be prohibited and don't know it. |
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