Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ? - Page 5

MASTERSMITH86 · December 24, 2006, 10:24 PM

You are going to notice 3 lbs. on your trigger. I like my factory weights and I have a couple 3.5lb triggers on a few of my Glocks. If I was going to put a different spring in then I would pick the N.Y. 2 because if i was going to have a stiff trigger pull then I would want a real revolver feel so I would go with NY2. I'm sure you know this but, thats why the trigger springs were designed. To aid in the transition of some officers from revolvers to semi's.The NY2, to me, feels more like the trigger pull on a STOCK S&W65-whatever, or any S&W for that matter. The NY1 just breaks differently than a revolver but, still differently than stock. I actually believe, and this is based on my own assumption, that this is why the NY2 was even developed. Because the NY1 didn't reallyfeel like a revolver.

DonR101395 · December 24, 2006, 10:33 PM

I agree with Mastersmith and the NY1. I've got one on my G17 and the stock 5.5 on all of my others. I haven't gotten around to changing it out, but I can say I don't care for it. It's heavier than my other Glocks, but not as heavy as any of my revolvers. It just feels strange and not something I'm willing to train myself to use.

MASTERSMITH86 · December 24, 2006, 10:33 PM

I wanted to add before somebody misconstrued my statement about the NY1 trigger spring. It does serve it's purpose well and I'll even go as far as to say it feels like it breaks cleaner than the NY2. However, I am saying that if i was going to install these springs, I would choose the one that best performs what it was designed to do and the NY2 feels more like a revolver and the NY trigger springs were designed to feel like one. The NY1 is harder than stock and you'll know it too!

But, you really need to just try them both and see what you like. I hope I am being clear as to what I mean. If I'm not please let me know so I may have a chance to elaborate further.

jaysouth · December 25, 2006, 12:37 AM

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Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

Help me out. I am looking at a couple of Sig P series laying on the desk in front of me.

Where is the safety thingy on Sigs?

NWCP · December 25, 2006, 03:03 AM

I prefer the HK P7M8 squeeze cocker set up to the Glock trigger safety. Not only is the P7M8 a safe weapon, it's very accurate and easy to conceal. The primary reason I don't shoot Glocks however isn't the lack of an external safety, it's the grip angle and size. They just don't work for me.

CajunBass · December 25, 2006, 07:47 PM

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Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

Not really. I just never wanted a Glock. That might change for all I know.

Pappy John · December 25, 2006, 07:54 PM

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Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

Yep.....and I'm scared to death of DA revolvers for the same reason.

Eek, eek!!

wheel · December 26, 2006, 12:06 AM

If one assumes lack of an external safety makes Glocks unsafe, then one has to also conclude that all revolvers are unsafe as well.

However, the safety record of revolvers is quite good. LEO's have been carrying them longer than any other type of handgun. They only go off when you pull the trigger (at least modern DA models with hammer block or transfer bar etc). Therefore the initial assumption is invalid.

Lack of an external safety does NOT make a gun unsafe. You can argue that a Glock is not as safe in all situations as a gun with an external safety, but that doesn't mean that it's unsafe. It's a relative thing, not absolute.

One thing for sure, if you keep your finger out of the trigger guard a Glock will not fire. Do that and it's at least as safe as anything else, if not safer.

Hard Ball · December 26, 2006, 10:19 AM

Glock does make pistols with manual safties. They just wont sell them in the USA.

OBIWAN · December 26, 2006, 11:00 AM

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Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ?

It did..when I was young......but I am much ...much....better now!

tango3065 · December 26, 2006, 02:09 PM

I installed the NY1 spring today (olive) and I am quite pleased with and I don’t think I will even try the NY2 spring. I shot it today and accuracy is outstanding, the NY1 spring didn’t hurt a thing. BTW this is the first Glock I have taken apart and must say I now know why everyone says Glocks are so simple and well engineered

Amendtwo · December 26, 2006, 04:20 PM

I was turned off by the lack of an external manual safety (and their looks) for quite a while. But after hearing so much about Glock reliability, when a used M 23 (with night sights) showed up in my local dealer's display case, I had to give it a try. While we are still getting acquainted, it seems that the only thing keeping me from carrying it is my not finding a suitable holster. I believe a good holster, and paying close attention to gun-handling details, will prevent any unplanned discharges.

Egbert_O_Foo · May 12, 2015, 10:53 AM

I hate that this is bumping an old thread. It appears that "the powers" on this forum closed a relevant thread from yesterday, "Why Officers Shouldn't Carry Glocks".

It's a ticklish subject. I have a nephew who got one as a graduation present. People swear by them. They are nice firearms.

I also have friends with two small girls that I love dearly who were 10 feet away from the bullet hole in a slide made by this weapon. The incident might likely have been avoided if the weapon had a safety.

www.newstalkkzrg.com/pages/21497075.php

**44 AMP** · May 12, 2015, 12:41 PM

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I hate that this is bumping an old thread. It appears that "the powers" on this forum closed a relevant thread from yesterday, "Why Officers Shouldn't Carry Glocks".

So, why did you? The "powers that be" prefer you to start a new thread, rather than bring back one that is YEARS old. Old threads are kept, for reference, some information is timeless.

On the other hand, old threads contain lots of information and comments that are drastically out of date, and many of the posters are long gone.

FYI, "the powers" closed that thread, because after 7 pages of bickering, and despite some people honest intentions to be helpful and informative, it had devolved into Glock love on one side and GLock hate on the other, which provides nothing useful to anyone.

This one is closed, because the dead should be left in peace. Start a new thread, and see if it can remain objective. Good Luck.

December 24, 2006, 10:24 PM	#101
MASTERSMITH86 Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 111	You are going to notice 3 lbs. on your trigger. I like my factory weights and I have a couple 3.5lb triggers on a few of my Glocks. If I was going to put a different spring in then I would pick the N.Y. 2 because if i was going to have a stiff trigger pull then I would want a real revolver feel so I would go with NY2. I'm sure you know this but, thats why the trigger springs were designed. To aid in the transition of some officers from revolvers to semi's.The NY2, to me, feels more like the trigger pull on a STOCK S&W65-whatever, or any S&W for that matter. The NY1 just breaks differently than a revolver but, still differently than stock. I actually believe, and this is based on my own assumption, that this is why the NY2 was even developed. Because the NY1 didn't reallyfeel like a revolver. __________________ "You can build a car with no glass, powered by pedals, have twenty airbags, and wrap it in 3 feet of bubble wrap but, if the guy driving it puts it over a cliff, he is still an idiot who forgot to put a parachute on his stupid car." " A Glock in your hand is a safer bet than a cop on the phone."

December 24, 2006, 10:33 PM	#103
MASTERSMITH86 Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 111	I wanted to add before somebody misconstrued my statement about the NY1 trigger spring. It does serve it's purpose well and I'll even go as far as to say it feels like it breaks cleaner than the NY2. However, I am saying that if i was going to install these springs, I would choose the one that best performs what it was designed to do and the NY2 feels more like a revolver and the NY trigger springs were designed to feel like one. The NY1 is harder than stock and you'll know it too!But, you really need to just try them both and see what you like. I hope I am being clear as to what I mean. If I'm not please let me know so I may have a chance to elaborate further. __________________ "You can build a car with no glass, powered by pedals, have twenty airbags, and wrap it in 3 feet of bubble wrap but, if the guy driving it puts it over a cliff, he is still an idiot who forgot to put a parachute on his stupid car." " A Glock in your hand is a safer bet than a cop on the phone."

December 26, 2006, 12:06 AM	#108
wheel Member Join Date: December 13, 2006 Location: The sad state of Massachusetts Posts: 33	If one assumes lack of an external safety makes Glocks unsafe, then one has to also conclude that all revolvers are unsafe as well. However, the safety record of revolvers is quite good. LEO's have been carrying them longer than any other type of handgun. They only go off when you pull the trigger (at least modern DA models with hammer block or transfer bar etc). Therefore the initial assumption is invalid. Lack of an external safety does NOT make a gun unsafe. You can argue that a Glock is not as safe in all situations as a gun with an external safety, but that doesn't mean that it's unsafe. It's a relative thing, not absolute. One thing for sure, if you keep your finger out of the trigger guard a Glock will not fire. Do that and it's at least as safe as anything else, if not safer. __________________ . Gun control is not the answer. Gun control is the question. The answer is NO.

December 26, 2006, 10:19 AM	#109
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	Glock does make pistols with manual safties. They just wont sell them in the USA. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

May 12, 2015, 10:53 AM	#113
Egbert_O_Foo Junior Member Join Date: May 11, 2015 Posts: 1	Not a troll ... what's with Glock denial ? I hate that this is bumping an old thread. It appears that "the powers" on this forum closed a relevant thread from yesterday, "Why Officers Shouldn't Carry Glocks". It's a ticklish subject. I have a nephew who got one as a graduation present. People swear by them. They are nice firearms. I also have friends with two small girls that I love dearly who were 10 feet away from the bullet hole in a slide made by this weapon. The incident might likely have been avoided if the weapon had a safety. www.newstalkkzrg.com/pages/21497075.php

December 24, 2006, 10:33 PM	#102
DonR101395 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: NWFL Posts: 3,031	I agree with Mastersmith and the NY1. I've got one on my G17 and the stock 5.5 on all of my others. I haven't gotten around to changing it out, but I can say I don't care for it. It's heavier than my other Glocks, but not as heavy as any of my revolvers. It just feels strange and not something I'm willing to train myself to use.

December 25, 2006, 12:37 AM	#104
jaysouth Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2001 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 787	Quote: Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ? Help me out. I am looking at a couple of Sig P series laying on the desk in front of me. Where is the safety thingy on Sigs?

December 25, 2006, 03:03 AM	#105
NWCP Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2006 Posts: 1,903	I prefer the HK P7M8 squeeze cocker set up to the Glock trigger safety. Not only is the P7M8 a safe weapon, it's very accurate and easy to conceal. The primary reason I don't shoot Glocks however isn't the lack of an external safety, it's the grip angle and size. They just don't work for me.

December 26, 2006, 11:00 AM	#110
OBIWAN Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,340	Quote: Does the no safety thing put anyone else off buying a glock ? It did..when I was young......but I am much ...much....better now!

December 26, 2006, 02:09 PM	#111
tango3065 Senior Member Join Date: October 10, 2002 Location: USA Posts: 146	I installed the NY1 spring today (olive) and I am quite pleased with and I don’t think I will even try the NY2 spring. I shot it today and accuracy is outstanding, the NY1 spring didn’t hurt a thing. BTW this is the first Glock I have taken apart and must say I now know why everyone says Glocks are so simple and well engineered

December 26, 2006, 04:20 PM	#112
Amendtwo Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2006 Location: East Providence, RI Posts: 128	I was turned off by the lack of an external manual safety (and their looks) for quite a while. But after hearing so much about Glock reliability, when a used M 23 (with night sights) showed up in my local dealer's display case, I had to give it a try. While we are still getting acquainted, it seems that the only thing keeping me from carrying it is my not finding a suitable holster. I believe a good holster, and paying close attention to gun-handling details, will prevent any unplanned discharges.

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