30-06 AR 10s

BoogieMan · June 10, 2015, 09:34 PM

I found a company producing ARs in 30-06 while on gunbroker. Norden is the manufacturer. I have never heard of them, but the long action of the -06 in a ar platform is interesting to say the least. It opens up so many other cartridges to AR shooters. Anyone know anything about this company or are there others producing long action ARs? I'm a big fan of the -06. However in a AR platform I don't think it really offers anything over the 308.

mxsailor803 · June 11, 2015, 06:09 AM

I know there is a company out there producing a AR "styled" rifle in .300Win but I can't remember the name of it. If someone is producing one in 30-06, come out with one in .270 and I'll be all over it!

stagpanther · June 11, 2015, 06:23 AM

Nemo Omen is the 300wm AR--though for the life of me I can't imagine a semi or full auto based on that belted case--makes me wonder why they didn't just go ahead and invent a beltless variant.

Mobuck · June 11, 2015, 08:06 AM

"Looks like" is not "the same". An AR10 is limited to .308 length cartridges. An action that can handle 30/06 length cartridges should be designated something else. Since the numbers seem to progress downward(ie: AR 15 to AR 10) the next designation might be the AR 5 or maybe since it will be about twice as big as an AR 15, name it AR 30.

stagpanther · June 11, 2015, 08:15 AM

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"Looks like" is not "the same". An AR10 is limited to .308 length cartridges. An action that can handle 30/06 length cartridges should be designated something else. Since the numbers seem to progress downward(ie: AR 15 to AR 10) the next designation might be the AR 5 or maybe since it will be about twice as big as an AR 15, name it AR 30.

Technically true as long as it's magazine fed--and lower receiver well at that--but the boat set sail from that pier a long time ago and just like the AR15 platform, all that really matters is whether or not you can find a lower that will mate to it and viola! AR10 variant. Now the 300 WSM....: )

mardanlin · June 11, 2015, 08:32 AM

I'll be honest, as a fellow 06 lover, I don't see the point.

tirod · June 11, 2015, 09:04 AM

Finding a lower IS the point - the mag well length restriction exists for the AR10 just as much as for the AR15.

AR10's aren't built to a standard - there is no milspec except for the first few Portuguese issue rifles of the early '60's. The later AR10's don't share some critical dimensions, and therefore parts are not interchangeable to the degree the AR15 is.

Lengthen the AR10 mag well to accept an even longer cartridge means putting more distance between the take down pins - the matching upper and lower aren't standard to anything but the few makers using the set. And that brings up the magazine - what's being used? .30-06 won't fit in .308 mags - which should give a heads up about ever finding any Pmags for it, too.

Proprietary upper, lower, and mags add to the issues of it not being "AR" with parts as far away as a simple click of an order button. It's a proprietary design just the same as a piston gun - and some of those guys are already out of business. No parts available.

The market is full of special low production guns using proprietary parts, and over the years quite a few wind up in the rack waiting for a machinist to reproduce a critical part one at a time, with set up fees and no guarantee it will work. Research it carefully and make an informed decision when you buy. A .30-06 is an AR in looks only - fun guns for disposable coin, but not that easy to live with.

Fishbed77 · June 11, 2015, 09:16 AM

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AR10's aren't built to a standard - there is no milspec except for the first few Portuguese issue rifles of the early '60's.

M110/Mk-11

James K · June 11, 2015, 09:37 AM

"...the numbers seem to progress downward(ie: AR 15 to AR 10) the next designation might be the AR 5..."

No they don't. The AR 10 came a couple of years before the AR-15, then came the (IMHO much better) AR-18. The AR-5 and AR-7 were survival rifles (the .22 LR version is now made by Henry). The AR-17 was a shotgun; if you find one for sale, buy it; they are incredibly rare.

Jim

BoogieMan · June 11, 2015, 11:29 AM

I checked out the website today. http://onlylongrange.com/bad-news-33...ceted_search=0
They also have in .338 L. I never really thought about it, but like others said. No reason you cant make whatever cartridge, action length you want and have it look basically like an AR.

TimW77 · June 11, 2015, 01:15 PM

"Technically true as long as it's magazine fed--and lower receiver well at that--but the boat set sail from that pier a long time ago and just like the AR15 platform, all that really matters is whether or not you can find a lower that will mate to it and viola! AR10 variant. Now the 300 WSM."

More importantly ONLY ArmaLite makes the AR-10...

Every other manufacturer makes and CALLS it SOMETHING ELSE...

Only the unknowing/uninformed/uncaring basement internet experts insist on calling non-AR-10 rifle "AR-10"...

Just because "everyone does it" does NOT make anyone right...

This is no different that calling everything a Rem 700 instead of Ruger 77 of Win 70...

Or every 4 wheel drive a "Jeep" or every airplane a "Piper Cub"...

T.

TimW77 · June 11, 2015, 01:34 PM

Fishbed77, did you notice these are NOT AR-10 rifles and are not designated AR-10?

Did you notice the manufacturers do NOT call them AR-10 rifles?

Perhaps it is because like it or not ONLY ArmaLite makes the AR-10...

ANY other brand may be an "AR type" rifles or an "AR-10 type" rifle or "similar to the AR-10" rifle...

Just like the Win 70 and Ruger 77 are SIMILAR to the Rem 700. Only the Remington is a "700", the "70" and "77" are not...

T.

Jim Watson · June 11, 2015, 01:38 PM

Cobb Mfg. brought out long action ARs in .30-06 etc. in the early 21st.
Bushmaster bought them out in 2007 but did not keep their rifles in production.

Erno86 · June 11, 2015, 04:26 PM

The HCAR from Ohio Gunworks is interesting...which is designed on the Browning BAR platform in 30-06; but they want an arm and a leg for it.

Fishbed77 · June 11, 2015, 10:46 PM

Quote:

"Technically true as long as it's magazine fed--and lower receiver well at that--but the boat set sail from that pier a long time ago and just like the AR15 platform, all that really matters is whether or not you can find a lower that will mate to it and viola! AR10 variant. Now the 300 WSM."

More importantly ONLY ArmaLite makes the AR-10...

Every other manufacturer makes and CALLS it SOMETHING ELSE...

Only the unknowing/uninformed/uncaring basement internet experts insist on calling non-AR-10 rifle "AR-10"...

Just because "everyone does it" does NOT make anyone right...

This is no different that calling everything a Rem 700 instead of Ruger 77 of Win 70...

Or every 4 wheel drive a "Jeep" or every airplane a "Piper Cub"...

T.

And notice how no milspec rifles are called "AR-15"? They are called M16, M4, Mk 12, Mk 18, etc.

That was a lot of wasted typing to end up missing your own incorrect point.

TimW77 · June 11, 2015, 11:54 PM

"That was a lot of wasted typing to end up missing your own incorrect point."

You q\obviously missed the point, reread and this time try to comprehend what was written in context with what was previously written!

T.

WV_gunner · June 12, 2015, 06:08 PM

I'm not a huge fan of the AR platform but I always thought one with a stock in 10mm or 9x25 would be pretty cool.
Not trying to make this an AR vs AK thread but Saiga did make a few of their guns in .30-06. The .30-06 in an AR style gun would be even niftier if it was a .338-06 instead. If anyone makes a .45-70 version I'll start saving my pocket change for one.

stagpanther · June 12, 2015, 08:06 PM

Olympic makes uppers in 10 mm (I think Dtech makes them for them now). Not sure why you'd want a 45-70--but Accuracy systems does make a 450 Marlin upper. 300wsm (i've heard good things about Olympic's 300) is about as far as I'd go with an exotic upper.

COSteve · June 15, 2015, 03:25 PM

I see an advantage for an AR style 30-06 over the AR10s in that one could load heavy weight, long range bullets to higher velocities. Hodgdon shows Hornady 190grn HPBT bullets and H4350 producing 2692fps from a 24" bbl, slightly over 100fps faster than the fastest .308 load with CFE 223. They also show 208grn A-Max bullets about 100fps faster in the 30-06 over the .308 too. Not sure that is enough of a difference to buy one but hey, to each his/her own.

dakota1911 · June 25, 2015, 05:48 PM

They make sense for a few people I am sure. If I had tons of money I think I would buy an old BAR instead and pay the $ for the licenses, etc. Actually, a semi auto BAR might sell well unless somebody is not already making one, which would not surprise me.

swan_derek · June 25, 2015, 06:21 PM

For the money, why not just go with a 300?

Jcordle · June 25, 2015, 07:49 PM

If you are trying to get technical Tim. Only ArmaLite makes an AR of any flavor. Since AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle. Any other make is just borrowing the name.

csmsss · June 25, 2015, 10:03 PM

Not to get TOO pedantic, but I think it's acceptable to refer to a rifle as an "AR-10 pattern" or "AR-15 pattern" rifle.

stagpanther · June 26, 2015, 12:49 AM

One can never be TOO pedantic in this business.

June 10, 2015, 09:34 PM	#1
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	30-06 AR 10s I found a company producing ARs in 30-06 while on gunbroker. Norden is the manufacturer. I have never heard of them, but the long action of the -06 in a ar platform is interesting to say the least. It opens up so many other cartridges to AR shooters. Anyone know anything about this company or are there others producing long action ARs? I'm a big fan of the -06. However in a AR platform I don't think it really offers anything over the 308. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

June 11, 2015, 06:23 AM	#3
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,773	Nemo Omen is the 300wm AR--though for the life of me I can't imagine a semi or full auto based on that belted case--makes me wonder why they didn't just go ahead and invent a beltless variant. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

June 11, 2015, 11:29 AM	#10
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	I checked out the website today. http://onlylongrange.com/bad-news-33...ceted_search=0 They also have in .338 L. I never really thought about it, but like others said. No reason you cant make whatever cartridge, action length you want and have it look basically like an AR. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

June 11, 2015, 01:15 PM	#11
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	AR-10 "Technically true as long as it's magazine fed--and lower receiver well at that--but the boat set sail from that pier a long time ago and just like the AR15 platform, all that really matters is whether or not you can find a lower that will mate to it and viola! AR10 variant. Now the 300 WSM." More importantly ONLY ArmaLite makes the AR-10... Every other manufacturer makes and CALLS it SOMETHING ELSE... Only the unknowing/uninformed/uncaring basement internet experts insist on calling non-AR-10 rifle "AR-10"... Just because "everyone does it" does NOT make anyone right... This is no different that calling everything a Rem 700 instead of Ruger 77 of Win 70... Or every 4 wheel drive a "Jeep" or every airplane a "Piper Cub"... T.

June 11, 2015, 01:34 PM	#12
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	M110 / Mk11 Fishbed77, did you notice these are NOT AR-10 rifles and are not designated AR-10? Did you notice the manufacturers do NOT call them AR-10 rifles? Perhaps it is because like it or not ONLY ArmaLite makes the AR-10... ANY other brand may be an "AR type" rifles or an "AR-10 type" rifle or "similar to the AR-10" rifle... Just like the Win 70 and Ruger 77 are SIMILAR to the Rem 700. Only the Remington is a "700", the "70" and "77" are not... T.

June 11, 2015, 06:09 AM	#2
mxsailor803 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 1,344	I know there is a company out there producing a AR "styled" rifle in .300Win but I can't remember the name of it. If someone is producing one in 30-06, come out with one in .270 and I'll be all over it!

June 11, 2015, 08:06 AM	#4
Mobuck Junior member Join Date: February 2, 2010 Posts: 6,846	"Looks like" is not "the same". An AR10 is limited to .308 length cartridges. An action that can handle 30/06 length cartridges should be designated something else. Since the numbers seem to progress downward(ie: AR 15 to AR 10) the next designation might be the AR 5 or maybe since it will be about twice as big as an AR 15, name it AR 30.

June 11, 2015, 08:32 AM	#6
mardanlin Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2013 Posts: 208	I'll be honest, as a fellow 06 lover, I don't see the point.

June 11, 2015, 09:04 AM	#7
tirod Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 1,672	Finding a lower IS the point - the mag well length restriction exists for the AR10 just as much as for the AR15. AR10's aren't built to a standard - there is no milspec except for the first few Portuguese issue rifles of the early '60's. The later AR10's don't share some critical dimensions, and therefore parts are not interchangeable to the degree the AR15 is. Lengthen the AR10 mag well to accept an even longer cartridge means putting more distance between the take down pins - the matching upper and lower aren't standard to anything but the few makers using the set. And that brings up the magazine - what's being used? .30-06 won't fit in .308 mags - which should give a heads up about ever finding any Pmags for it, too. Proprietary upper, lower, and mags add to the issues of it not being "AR" with parts as far away as a simple click of an order button. It's a proprietary design just the same as a piston gun - and some of those guys are already out of business. No parts available. The market is full of special low production guns using proprietary parts, and over the years quite a few wind up in the rack waiting for a machinist to reproduce a critical part one at a time, with set up fees and no guarantee it will work. Research it carefully and make an informed decision when you buy. A .30-06 is an AR in looks only - fun guns for disposable coin, but not that easy to live with.

June 11, 2015, 09:37 AM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	"...the numbers seem to progress downward(ie: AR 15 to AR 10) the next designation might be the AR 5..." No they don't. The AR 10 came a couple of years before the AR-15, then came the (IMHO much better) AR-18. The AR-5 and AR-7 were survival rifles (the .22 LR version is now made by Henry). The AR-17 was a shotgun; if you find one for sale, buy it; they are incredibly rare. Jim

June 11, 2015, 01:38 PM	#13
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,539	Cobb Mfg. brought out long action ARs in .30-06 etc. in the early 21st. Bushmaster bought them out in 2007 but did not keep their rifles in production.

June 11, 2015, 04:26 PM	#14
Erno86 Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2012 Location: Marriottsville, Maryland Posts: 1,739	The HCAR from Ohio Gunworks is interesting...which is designed on the Browning BAR platform in 30-06; but they want an arm and a leg for it. __________________ That rifle hanging on the wall of the working class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." --- George Orwell

June 11, 2015, 11:54 PM	#16
TimW77 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2008 Posts: 485	AR-10 "That was a lot of wasted typing to end up missing your own incorrect point." You q\obviously missed the point, reread and this time try to comprehend what was written in context with what was previously written! T.

June 12, 2015, 06:08 PM	#17
WV_gunner Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2011 Location: WV Posts: 938	I'm not a huge fan of the AR platform but I always thought one with a stock in 10mm or 9x25 would be pretty cool. Not trying to make this an AR vs AK thread but Saiga did make a few of their guns in .30-06. The .30-06 in an AR style gun would be even niftier if it was a .338-06 instead. If anyone makes a .45-70 version I'll start saving my pocket change for one.

June 12, 2015, 08:06 PM	#18
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,773	Olympic makes uppers in 10 mm (I think Dtech makes them for them now). Not sure why you'd want a 45-70--but Accuracy systems does make a 450 Marlin upper. 300wsm (i've heard good things about Olympic's 300) is about as far as I'd go with an exotic upper. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

June 15, 2015, 03:25 PM	#19
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	I see an advantage for an AR style 30-06 over the AR10s in that one could load heavy weight, long range bullets to higher velocities. Hodgdon shows Hornady 190grn HPBT bullets and H4350 producing 2692fps from a 24" bbl, slightly over 100fps faster than the fastest .308 load with CFE 223. They also show 208grn A-Max bullets about 100fps faster in the 30-06 over the .308 too. Not sure that is enough of a difference to buy one but hey, to each his/her own.

June 25, 2015, 05:48 PM	#20
dakota1911 Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2007 Location: The Great American Desert Posts: 501	They make sense for a few people I am sure. If I had tons of money I think I would buy an old BAR instead and pay the $ for the licenses, etc. Actually, a semi auto BAR might sell well unless somebody is not already making one, which would not surprise me.

June 25, 2015, 06:21 PM	#21
swan_derek Member Join Date: April 15, 2012 Posts: 16	Money For the money, why not just go with a 300?

June 25, 2015, 07:49 PM	#22
Jcordle Junior Member Join Date: October 3, 2012 Location: kearney NE Posts: 4	If you are trying to get technical Tim. Only ArmaLite makes an AR of any flavor. Since AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle. Any other make is just borrowing the name.

June 25, 2015, 10:03 PM	#23
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Not to get TOO pedantic, but I think it's acceptable to refer to a rifle as an "AR-10 pattern" or "AR-15 pattern" rifle.

June 26, 2015, 12:49 AM	#24
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,773	One can never be TOO pedantic in this business. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*