Lock N' Load With R. Lee Ermey

SGHOTH · July 31, 2009, 12:17 PM

FYI

Tonight (7/31) on the History channel @ 9:00.

A new show on guns for those who miss there mail call fix.

Looks like the first show is on machine guns.

KLRANGL · July 31, 2009, 01:09 PM

Saw the one on artillery last week... was pretty cool actually, with lots of slow motion vids of different artillery pieces in action. The facts weren't 100% correct, but nothing major. Definitely on the DVR list...

Rich Miranda · July 31, 2009, 01:50 PM

Thanks for the reminder, I just Tivoed it.

**Mal H** · July 31, 2009, 01:59 PM

Right, the first one was on the history of field artillery. I thought it was done very well and was enjoyable. Some interesting artillery coming to a theatre near you (or at least near me since I live in ear shot of Quantico. Believe me, we get an earful often.)

In the works is a motorized howitzer that will be able to fire 4 or 5 shots at a target, a few seconds apart, and yet have them all hit at the same time. The charge and elevation are computer/GPS controlled to achieve that. Amazing!

Rich Miranda · July 31, 2009, 02:12 PM

Mal, I recall an episode of Future Weapons (I think) that showed a mostly-standard mobile howitzer that fired shells with a built-in guidance system and some type of fins capable of steering the shell. Even when deliberately fired 400 feet off target, it hit the target.

Artillery is scary...

Brian Pfleuger · July 31, 2009, 02:34 PM

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In the works is a motorized howitzer that will be able to fire 4 or 5 shots at a target, a few seconds apart, and yet have them all hit at the same time. The charge and elevation are computer/GPS controlled to achieve that. Amazing!

Abrams does that already doesn't it?

The artillery show was a good one.

I want a gun that will blow up (4) 55 gallon drums with one shot!

#18indycolts · July 31, 2009, 02:44 PM

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With R. Lee Ermey

he's awesome.

"Private Pyle has dishonored himself and dishonored the platoon. I have tried to help him. But I have failed. I have failed because YOU have not helped me. YOU people, have not given Private Pyle the proper motivation! So, from now on, whenever Private Pyle screws up, I will not punish him! I will punish all of YOU! And the way I see it ladies, you owe me for ONE JELLY DOUGHNUT, NOW GET DOWN ON YOUR FACES!"

**Mal H** · July 31, 2009, 03:37 PM

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Abrams does that already doesn't it?

Unless there have been dramatic technological improvements in the Abrams, I don't think it can do that. Understand what the new howitzer can do - fire 4 shots, seconds apart, have them all hit at the same time. That means the barrel has to lob the first one, lower a few degrees, fire a second one at a lower trajectory and probably a slower projectile velocity, then do that 2 more times (the later firings might require higher velocities) - all in a few seconds. Isn't the Abrams still loaded by humans? I doubt they could load it fast enough, let alone input 4 different firing solutions to cause all the projectiles to hit at the same time.

gun_king · July 31, 2009, 03:52 PM

Yea I am watching Mail Call and I saw it advertised to premiere tonight as well. Sounds awesome. I can't wait.

chris in va · July 31, 2009, 04:39 PM

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Abrams does that already doesn't it?

It can, but not by itself. Takes several tanks to do the trick. The mobile howitzer can do it solo as it has a rapid reload rate.

Brian Pfleuger · July 31, 2009, 04:45 PM

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Abrams, I don't think it can do that. Understand what the new howitzer can do - fire 4 shots, seconds apart, have them all hit at the same time.

Yeah, not 4, I vaguely remember a show from a while back that said it could do that with 2 shells. I could be misremembering.

Does make me wonder, though, just what kind of target would require (4) 155mm shells to hit the same spot at the same time.

**Bud Helms** · July 31, 2009, 05:01 PM

I thought the Abrams can autonomously fire multiple ropunds at the same target while underway, but the rounds get there when they get there, i.e., no coincident impact.

alloy · July 31, 2009, 05:16 PM

Would the title be a coincidence, doesn't he shoot for Hornady?

grymster2007 · July 31, 2009, 06:05 PM

I thought I'd seen the multiple rounds hitting at the same time before and here's a little blurb on it from Wiki. I thought it was a US thing, but maybe I saw something on the Archer.

MRSI - Wiki

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MRSI

This is a modern version of the earlier "time on target" concept in which fire from different weapons was timed to arrive on target at the same time. It is possible for modern computer-controlled artillery to fire more than one volley at a target and have all the shells arrive simultaneously, which is called MRSI (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact). This is because there is more than one trajectory for the rounds to fly to any given target—typically one is below 45 degrees from horizontal and the other is above it, and if you can vary the amount of propellant with each shell, you can create multiple trajectories. Because the higher trajectories cause the shells to arc higher into the air, they take longer to reach the target and so if the shells are fired on these trajectories for the first volleys (starting with the shell with the most propellant and working down) and then after the correct pause more volleys are fired on the lower trajectories, the shells will all arrive at the same time. This is useful because many more shells can land on the target with no warning. With traditional volleys along the same trajectory, anybody at the target point will have a certain amount of time (however long it takes to reload and re-fire the guns) to run away or take cover between volleys. In addition, if guns in more than one location are firing on one target, with careful timing it can be arranged for all their shells to land at the same time for the same reason.

Examples of MRSI guns are South Africa's Denel G6-52 (which can land six rounds simultaneously at targets at least 25 km away), Germany's Panzerhaubitze 2000 (which can land five rounds simultaneously at targets at least 17 km away) and Slovakia's 155 mm SpGH ZUZANA model 2000. The Archer project (Developed by BAE-Systems in Sweden), a 155 mm howitzer on a wheeled chassis claiming to be able to deliver up to 7 shells on target simultaneously from the same gun. The twin barrelled AMOS mortar system, developed in Finland, is a 120 mm twin barreled mortar capable of 7 + 7 shells MRSI. The United States Crusader program (now canceled) was slated to have MRSI capability.

MRSI was a stunt popular at artillery demonstrations in the 1960s. With its increased risk of a mistake, (needing a range to the target that gives time for several rounds to be fired and only useful against a few types of target in an era where PPD fuzes are becoming standard) whether MRSI is still merely a stunt or has real tactical value over other methods is moot.

Oh yeah... I'll be recording the Gunny tonight.

**Shane Tuttle** · July 31, 2009, 08:00 PM

As cool as the howizter was, I still liked the "old stuff".

KLRANGL · July 31, 2009, 11:20 PM

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I still liked the "old stuff".

Amen to that... nothing beats a good old 12 pounder Napoleon

dstyle47 · July 31, 2009, 11:40 PM

i don't know if it was current or future technology, but when i went to the national scout jamboree in 2000. The army had an exhibit, and i vividly remember one which showed how their abrams tank could indeed do (iirc 4 shots and have them land at the same point at the same time) the video actually went on to show 8 tanks all do it at one point, for 32 shots hitting one area at the exact same time. I remember being very impressed by this. I still am. The tanks in the video were virtual so i don't know if that was a future tech or if that could have been done then at that time. That was almost 10 years ago though....

Glenn E. Meyer · August 1, 2009, 11:16 AM

I might be old fashioned but I would like to see the reliability of so many computer based systems. I wonder if there is a backup mode so you can do the math on a calculator and fire the thing when the screen goes Blue Death.

I was also watching a show on the A-7. They said it cost $2.5 million way back when. An F-22 costs 100 times that. Of course, there is inflation but would we be better off with 100 of those or one silver bullet plane?

hogdogs · August 1, 2009, 11:50 AM

Come on Glenn....

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when the screen goes Blue Death.

Geez buddy, they ain't using Windose 98 no more... they done went and upgraded to Vista by now!

Brent

Ian0351 · August 1, 2009, 12:12 PM

I'll have to find a way to watch that, unfortunately I work second shift on Fridays. I miss Mail Call, When I was in Boot at San Diego my platoon was actually yelled at by the man himself for our 'nasty' drill. He of course attained Staff Sergeant Tillman's permission first, who was not the happiest Drill Instructor for the remainder of the evening. R. Lee is a god down at the MCRD!

Buzzcook · August 1, 2009, 01:51 PM

Nice shows. The one on machine guns claimed that the .30-06 was the first to use a boat tail. But I don't mind that too much.
It would have been nice if they'd talked about the Hotchkiss and a couple of others that they didn't have time for.
Same thing for artillery, a French 75 would have fit in good. Probably they are constrained by the need to have guns Emory can shoot.

Dave R · August 1, 2009, 02:18 PM

Great show. A lot like mail call, but with a better budget ;-)

I love the slo-mo sequences and multiple cameras on the impact zone. Better production values than mail call, and all to the better.

And on the Machine Gun show, I loved when Gunny picked up the water-cooled M1917 to prove that Basilone could've done it on Guadalcanal. And then called out the individual who told him it was impossible.

Go Gunny!

Hkmp5sd · August 1, 2009, 03:22 PM

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I might be old fashioned but I would like to see the reliability of so many computer based systems. I wonder if there is a backup mode so you can do the math on a calculator and fire the thing when the screen goes Blue Death.

I was wondering something similar the other day. In addition to the blue screen of death, what happens when the batteries crap out? How many folks around that can still use a slide rule?

Ruger4570 · August 1, 2009, 05:03 PM

Well at least we have a choice, the Yellin' Gunny of the Whispering Seal, Mack.

kozak6 · August 1, 2009, 05:36 PM

It's a good show. I saw both episodes last night.

R Lee Ermey is quite a character

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July 31, 2009, 01:09 PM	#2
KLRANGL Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 958	Saw the one on artillery last week... was pretty cool actually, with lots of slow motion vids of different artillery pieces in action. The facts weren't 100% correct, but nothing major. Definitely on the DVR list... __________________ And it's Killer Angel... as in the book

July 31, 2009, 01:50 PM	#3
Rich Miranda Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2008 Location: San Antonio, not San Antone... Posts: 1,203	Thanks for the reminder, I just Tivoed it. __________________ Read this!: I collect .38 Special and .357 Mag cartridges and I will PAY CASH for the headstamps I don't already have! Please PM me. Please donate blood, plasma, and platelets - people's lives literally depend on it.

July 31, 2009, 02:12 PM	#5
Rich Miranda Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2008 Location: San Antonio, not San Antone... Posts: 1,203	Mal, I recall an episode of Future Weapons (I think) that showed a mostly-standard mobile howitzer that fired shells with a built-in guidance system and some type of fins capable of steering the shell. Even when deliberately fired 400 feet off target, it hit the target. Artillery is scary... __________________ Read this!: I collect .38 Special and .357 Mag cartridges and I will PAY CASH for the headstamps I don't already have! Please PM me. Please donate blood, plasma, and platelets - people's lives literally depend on it.

July 31, 2009, 03:52 PM	#9
gun_king Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2009 Location: Lake City, Florida Posts: 159	Yea I am watching Mail Call and I saw it advertised to premiere tonight as well. Sounds awesome. I can't wait. __________________ We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

July 31, 2009, 08:00 PM	#15
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	As cool as the howizter was, I still liked the "old stuff". __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

July 31, 2009, 12:17 PM	#1
SGHOTH Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2004 Posts: 452	Lock N' Load With R. Lee Ermey FYI Tonight (7/31) on the History channel @ 9:00. A new show on guns for those who miss there mail call fix. Looks like the first show is on machine guns. __________________ It is in my nature to like Sigs

July 31, 2009, 01:59 PM	#4
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	Right, the first one was on the history of field artillery. I thought it was done very well and was enjoyable. Some interesting artillery coming to a theatre near you (or at least near me since I live in ear shot of Quantico. Believe me, we get an earful often.) In the works is a motorized howitzer that will be able to fire 4 or 5 shots at a target, a few seconds apart, and yet have them all hit at the same time. The charge and elevation are computer/GPS controlled to achieve that. Amazing!

July 31, 2009, 05:01 PM	#12
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	I thought the Abrams can autonomously fire multiple ropunds at the same target while underway, but the rounds get there when they get there, i.e., no coincident impact.

July 31, 2009, 11:40 PM	#17
dstyle47 Member Join Date: August 13, 2008 Posts: 61	i don't know if it was current or future technology, but when i went to the national scout jamboree in 2000. The army had an exhibit, and i vividly remember one which showed how their abrams tank could indeed do (iirc 4 shots and have them land at the same point at the same time) the video actually went on to show 8 tanks all do it at one point, for 32 shots hitting one area at the exact same time. I remember being very impressed by this. I still am. The tanks in the video were virtual so i don't know if that was a future tech or if that could have been done then at that time. That was almost 10 years ago though....

August 1, 2009, 11:16 AM	#18
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I might be old fashioned but I would like to see the reliability of so many computer based systems. I wonder if there is a backup mode so you can do the math on a calculator and fire the thing when the screen goes Blue Death. I was also watching a show on the A-7. They said it cost $2.5 million way back when. An F-22 costs 100 times that. Of course, there is inflation but would we be better off with 100 of those or one silver bullet plane? __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 1, 2009, 12:12 PM	#20
Ian0351 Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 414	I'll have to find a way to watch that, unfortunately I work second shift on Fridays. I miss Mail Call, When I was in Boot at San Diego my platoon was actually yelled at by the man himself for our 'nasty' drill. He of course attained Staff Sergeant Tillman's permission first, who was not the happiest Drill Instructor for the remainder of the evening. R. Lee is a god down at the MCRD! __________________ You can have your churches, I'll keep my guns. Just keep your hands off my paycheck and your eyes out of my backyard. Join the Libertarian Party! http://www.lp.org Semper Fidelis

August 1, 2009, 01:51 PM	#21
Buzzcook Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 6,126	Nice shows. The one on machine guns claimed that the .30-06 was the first to use a boat tail. But I don't mind that too much. It would have been nice if they'd talked about the Hotchkiss and a couple of others that they didn't have time for. Same thing for artillery, a French 75 would have fit in good. Probably they are constrained by the need to have guns Emory can shoot.

August 1, 2009, 02:18 PM	#22
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Great show. A lot like mail call, but with a better budget ;-) I love the slo-mo sequences and multiple cameras on the impact zone. Better production values than mail call, and all to the better. And on the Machine Gun show, I loved when Gunny picked up the water-cooled M1917 to prove that Basilone could've done it on Guadalcanal. And then called out the individual who told him it was impossible. Go Gunny! __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

August 1, 2009, 05:03 PM	#24
Ruger4570 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 2,136	Well at least we have a choice, the Yellin' Gunny of the Whispering Seal, Mack.

August 1, 2009, 05:36 PM	#25
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	It's a good show. I saw both episodes last night. R Lee Ermey is quite a character .