mossy oak or realtree (just for kicks) - Page 2

springmom · September 27, 2006, 01:11 PM

LOL. Archerandshooter's grandfather always hunted in a wool plaid shirt, I've been told...never messed up his hunting.

Springmom

ArcherAndShooter · September 27, 2006, 02:30 PM

of Grandpa bending over a MASSIVE muley he shot wearing red-check lumberjack coat and blue denim overalls.

me, i wear sticks 'n limbs. not 'photo-realistic' (that's to fool hunters) but good soft color and pattern disruption. i've had deer not see me when I was standing in the open 10 yards from them, as long as I kept perfectly still and did not make eye contact.

sparkysteve · September 27, 2006, 05:27 PM

I prefer Mossy Oak over Advantage, because it blends in better where I hunt and I find Bill Jordan extremely annoying.

Trip20 · September 27, 2006, 06:21 PM

stevelyn -- I gotta say those "Test Photos" on the ASAT website are a bit of a joke. I could get the similar results using my digital camera and some old muted-color street clothes.

I'm not saying the ASAT camo is not good or that it doesn't work! The stuff looks fine to me. I just think the photos were poor to the point of being funny.

Jack O'Conner · September 27, 2006, 06:40 PM

North American pronghorn antelope easily have some of the sharpest eyes of all the animals created by our Lord. These amazing creatures can spot even small movement at 1 mile. Yet my ordinary USA military woodland camo worked quite well on this hunt. The orange vest and hat did not affect this long stalk in tree-less prairie.

I wouldn't worry too much about camo patterns. For count-less centuries American Indians went hungry if they failed at the hunt. Yet they got along quite well without the modern benefits of soap, shampoo, clothes washing machines, toothpaste, steel tipped arrows, or camo clothing.

Chuck Adams holds more P & Y trophies than any other archer in history. Yet most of his successfull hunts were conducted wearing a plaid shirt and wool watch cap. Only recently has he succumbed to the big marketing dollars from major clothing and gear makers. Its just about money; not hunting success. Don't confuse the two.
Jack

Wild Bill Bucks · September 28, 2006, 09:54 AM

Basically, I think you could wear purple with pink and red, as long as the pattern is not solid. Movement is what gives you away. Camoflauge itself is noticeable if you are moving. It only works when you are still.
As far as the best, in my opinion is the break-up pattern. It has more black in it, and the black is what gives the pattern depth. I have had deer walk up and turn their head, looking straight at me, trying to see me, from a distance of less than 10 feet. I think the pattern breaks your sillouette,so they look right through you.
I have watched guys who come through my area, and I notice it when it moves, but as soon as they stop, the pattern becomes very hard to pick up.

Here in southeastern Okla., you will have deer within bow range a lot, and camo becomes important, not because of the color, but because of the pattern. I hate a solid orange vest, because it gives off a solid pattern, that is picked up by the deer, with very little movement. The camo orange, is a much better choice, but it is not legal in some states.

I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the TV hunters, since most of them don't hunt in the southeastern Okla. vicinity, and since there aren't a whole lot of game ranches down here, growing big bucks, I'm not likely to see them here. We have some really good trophy whitetails in our area, but they are few and far between. I have to remember, that they make their living promoting their sponsers products.( and most of what they tell you, may not work in your area, unless your on that game ranch with them)

Remember good hunters, will have success, and bad hunters, will mostly just get a lot of exercise. The clothing won't make that much difference.

Ian2005 · September 28, 2006, 10:53 AM

So I find myself wondering from Jack's post - how do you do a stalk wearing a solid color jacket and hat in an open field? I would think that unless there are hills that you can indeed crawl up to and peer over, forget it. If pronghorn have terrific vision, wouldn't they be able to see something solid moving a mile away?

castnblast · September 28, 2006, 12:39 PM

I like both. Especially whatever is on sale. I tend to like that better

arizona hunter · September 28, 2006, 03:21 PM

Kinda of depends on the color and type of boots for the occasion.. Just kidding.

Most of my stuff is Advantage, but I also like Mossy and Treebark for certain situations.

sleeping dog · September 29, 2006, 09:40 PM

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That makes sense to me how a hawaiian shirt could be very good with colorblind deer

First, you'd have to make sure you're hunting the colorblind deer, not the normal deer. How do you know?

Also, it wouldn't help me. It's pretty chilly here in November, and wearing the hawaiian shirt over three layers of thermal underwear is just pushing the envelope too far.

On the other hand, if you see some guy wearing three layers of long-johns and a hawaiian shirt, and he's dragging a deer to his truck, ya gotta respect that.

Regards.

shotguna · September 30, 2006, 07:42 PM

Buffalo Plaid

prater · October 2, 2006, 07:03 PM

Sleeping Dog it is widely believed that ALL deer are colorblind. Whether that is actually true or not, I don't know. But I'm not taking any chances.

Arizona Fusilier · October 3, 2006, 11:02 PM

I bought some Realtree (Extra Brown, I think) for Turkey hunting, works well in the Pine forests of Arizona. Not big on Mossy Oak, as I haven't seen such a thing in the Desert Southwest

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Other than that, I'm not big on "civilian" hunting patterns, as I hunt a lot in the desert, and until very recently, none of the hunting outfitters seemed to cater to our needs.

There are some new patterns on the market, Open Terrain, Open Country, Prairie Ghost, and others, that show promise.

Other than that, my Rhodesian camo is still one of the best things going around these parts.

bclark1 · October 4, 2006, 12:53 AM

i think realtree is more versatile, even though i own more mossy oak. i think break-up is a great spring turkey pattern, but too dark for other times of year when you don't have a lot of dense foliage (and consequently shadows).

bclark1 · October 4, 2006, 12:59 AM

FYI, the camo "study"
http://whitetail.com/camo1.html

Twycross · October 4, 2006, 01:29 AM

Of the two, the Realtree patterns fit my environment better. But neither is as good as Cabelas 3D Seclusion Open Country

That and Carhartt brown.

davlandrum · October 4, 2006, 11:13 AM

Most of the name brand patterns are just too dark. We bow hunt in western Oregon, where it is pretty dark, damp and thick - and they still look like a black blob when you get out to 50 yards. I like the ASAT cammo (not even sure if it is still made) or the "outfitter" pattern at Cabelas. I just wish that pattern was availabe in more light weight clothes.

September 27, 2006, 01:11 PM	#26
springmom Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2005 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,823	LOL. Archerandshooter's grandfather always hunted in a wool plaid shirt, I've been told...never messed up his hunting. Springmom __________________ I will not be a victim home on the web: www.panagia-icons.net (my webpage) www.nousfromspring.blogspot.com (Orthodoxy) "I couldn't hear you. Stop firing the gun while you're talking!" Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

September 27, 2006, 02:30 PM	#27
ArcherAndShooter Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 106	I've seen the photo... of Grandpa bending over a MASSIVE muley he shot wearing red-check lumberjack coat and blue denim overalls. me, i wear sticks 'n limbs. not 'photo-realistic' (that's to fool hunters) but good soft color and pattern disruption. i've had deer not see me when I was standing in the open 10 yards from them, as long as I kept perfectly still and did not make eye contact. __________________ The Second Amendment - America's ORIGINAL Homeland Security

September 27, 2006, 05:27 PM	#28
sparkysteve Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Location: Byron Center, Michigan Posts: 418	I prefer Mossy Oak over Advantage, because it blends in better where I hunt and I find Bill Jordan extremely annoying. __________________ I have ADHD........Attention, Defficit, Hey there goes a squirrel! Dont tread on me.

September 27, 2006, 06:40 PM	#30
Jack O'Conner Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2005 Location: Manatee County, Florida Posts: 1,976	North American pronghorn antelope easily have some of the sharpest eyes of all the animals created by our Lord. These amazing creatures can spot even small movement at 1 mile. Yet my ordinary USA military woodland camo worked quite well on this hunt. The orange vest and hat did not affect this long stalk in tree-less prairie. I wouldn't worry too much about camo patterns. For count-less centuries American Indians went hungry if they failed at the hunt. Yet they got along quite well without the modern benefits of soap, shampoo, clothes washing machines, toothpaste, steel tipped arrows, or camo clothing. Chuck Adams holds more P & Y trophies than any other archer in history. Yet most of his successfull hunts were conducted wearing a plaid shirt and wool watch cap. Only recently has he succumbed to the big marketing dollars from major clothing and gear makers. Its just about money; not hunting success. Don't confuse the two. Jack __________________ Fire up the grill! Deer hunting IS NOT catch and release.

September 28, 2006, 12:39 PM	#33
castnblast Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Location: Corpus Christi TX Posts: 1,148	I like both. Especially whatever is on sale. I tend to like that better __________________ VEGETARIAN...old indian word for bad hunter

September 27, 2006, 06:21 PM	#29
Trip20 Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 2,181	stevelyn -- I gotta say those "Test Photos" on the ASAT website are a bit of a joke. I could get the similar results using my digital camera and some old muted-color street clothes. I'm not saying the ASAT camo is not good or that it doesn't work! The stuff looks fine to me. I just think the photos were poor to the point of being funny.

September 28, 2006, 09:54 AM	#31
Wild Bill Bucks Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2005 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch Posts: 1,266	Basically, I think you could wear purple with pink and red, as long as the pattern is not solid. Movement is what gives you away. Camoflauge itself is noticeable if you are moving. It only works when you are still. As far as the best, in my opinion is the break-up pattern. It has more black in it, and the black is what gives the pattern depth. I have had deer walk up and turn their head, looking straight at me, trying to see me, from a distance of less than 10 feet. I think the pattern breaks your sillouette,so they look right through you. I have watched guys who come through my area, and I notice it when it moves, but as soon as they stop, the pattern becomes very hard to pick up. Here in southeastern Okla., you will have deer within bow range a lot, and camo becomes important, not because of the color, but because of the pattern. I hate a solid orange vest, because it gives off a solid pattern, that is picked up by the deer, with very little movement. The camo orange, is a much better choice, but it is not legal in some states. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the TV hunters, since most of them don't hunt in the southeastern Okla. vicinity, and since there aren't a whole lot of game ranches down here, growing big bucks, I'm not likely to see them here. We have some really good trophy whitetails in our area, but they are few and far between. I have to remember, that they make their living promoting their sponsers products.( and most of what they tell you, may not work in your area, unless your on that game ranch with them) Remember good hunters, will have success, and bad hunters, will mostly just get a lot of exercise. The clothing won't make that much difference.

September 28, 2006, 10:53 AM	#32
Ian2005 Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 355	So I find myself wondering from Jack's post - how do you do a stalk wearing a solid color jacket and hat in an open field? I would think that unless there are hills that you can indeed crawl up to and peer over, forget it. If pronghorn have terrific vision, wouldn't they be able to see something solid moving a mile away?

September 28, 2006, 03:21 PM	#34
arizona hunter Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2005 Location: phoenix, AZ Posts: 212	Kinda of depends on the color and type of boots for the occasion.. Just kidding. Most of my stuff is Advantage, but I also like Mossy and Treebark for certain situations.

September 30, 2006, 07:42 PM	#36
shotguna Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Posts: 41	Buffalo Plaid

October 2, 2006, 07:03 PM	#37
prater Member Join Date: March 28, 2006 Posts: 77	Sleeping Dog it is widely believed that ALL deer are colorblind. Whether that is actually true or not, I don't know. But I'm not taking any chances.

October 3, 2006, 11:02 PM	#38
Arizona Fusilier Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2000 Posts: 1,082	I bought some Realtree (Extra Brown, I think) for Turkey hunting, works well in the Pine forests of Arizona. Not big on Mossy Oak, as I haven't seen such a thing in the Desert Southwest . Other than that, I'm not big on "civilian" hunting patterns, as I hunt a lot in the desert, and until very recently, none of the hunting outfitters seemed to cater to our needs. There are some new patterns on the market, Open Terrain, Open Country, Prairie Ghost, and others, that show promise. Other than that, my Rhodesian camo is still one of the best things going around these parts.

October 4, 2006, 12:53 AM	#39
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	i think realtree is more versatile, even though i own more mossy oak. i think break-up is a great spring turkey pattern, but too dark for other times of year when you don't have a lot of dense foliage (and consequently shadows).

October 4, 2006, 12:59 AM	#40
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	FYI, the camo "study" http://whitetail.com/camo1.html

October 4, 2006, 01:29 AM	#41
Twycross Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,187	Of the two, the Realtree patterns fit my environment better. But neither is as good as Cabelas 3D Seclusion Open Country That and Carhartt brown. __________________ The test of character is not 'hanging in' when you expect light at the end of the tunnel, but performance of duty, and persistence of example when you know no light is coming. - Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN (ret.)

October 4, 2006, 11:13 AM	#42
davlandrum Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Lane County Oregon Posts: 2,547	Most of the name brand patterns are just too dark. We bow hunt in western Oregon, where it is pretty dark, damp and thick - and they still look like a black blob when you get out to 50 yards. I like the ASAT cammo (not even sure if it is still made) or the "outfitter" pattern at Cabelas. I just wish that pattern was availabe in more light weight clothes.