44 magnum, 357 magnum and an arrow on deer. - Page 2

Doyle · January 3, 2009, 12:05 PM

Daryl and Scorch have it right. Bullets kill by shock and tissue damage. Arrows kill by hemorrage. An arrow doesn't have to do any tissue damage to be deadly - just slice some major blood vessels and wait for the animal to bleed out.

Wayward_Son · January 3, 2009, 02:39 PM

I saw a video on YouTube the other day of two bucks with their antlers locked. The hunter shot one with his bow; the arrow went straight into the right flank of the buck, just behind the shoulder. It buried itself halfway into the chest cavity.

There was a near-instant jet of blood that shot out of the animal, and the two tangled bucks went down into a stream. The river ran red. I thought it was astonishing just how much blood was released so quickly from the arrow's wound. Then I read about guys shooting deer with rifles and not having much of a blood trail to follow if the deer runs.

Perhaps I can find the video and post it here.

Here it is. When I saw it the other day there was audio. I know this is the hunting forum, but I'll go ahead and warn that this is pretty graphic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useNf...eature=related

publius · January 5, 2009, 05:02 PM

It'll work fine. Keep shots close and use a good bullet. Heavy SWC is my first choice followed by JSP then HP.

shortwave · January 5, 2009, 07:45 PM

Started out with 357 and have shot deer with following calibers 41,45lc and 44. Next will be 475 linebaugh. This has been over many years and alot of practice with each. Your distance confidence should be done at the range and don`t exceed that distance afield. I personally like a scope(getting older need all the help I can get

) and won`t shoot beyond my limitations. Haven`t used the 357 hunting in quite some time and if I went back to it,I`d have to get my refresher range time in prior. Probably my favorite cal. is the 41. Seems I spend(as much) or more time practicing with my handgun than I do with my bow. Your a bowhunter(it takes alot of practice) so that may give you some kind of guidelines you`ll need to practice with whatever cal. you choose. Also check your local hunting laws as some states have cal. as well as barrel length limitations. Have fun and Goodluck!

troy_mclure · January 5, 2009, 10:00 PM

ive killed several deer with my dads .357mag as a teen.

Big Bill · January 8, 2009, 10:29 PM

Here's some stats from Buffalo Bore that you may find helpful...

About Buffalo Bore 357 Mag. ammo

Our 357 mag. ammo adds more power than ever before to the 357 mag. This ammo is safe to shoot in ANY all steel 357 revolver—this includes J frames. This ammo is no harder on your gun than any other normal 357 ammo. Please don’t phone us and ask if this ammo is safe in your gun. It is, providing your gun is in safe condition for use with any normal 357 ammo.

We don’t recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump.

The below velocities are offered so that you can see what guns/barrel lengths give what velocities with this new 357 mag. ammo. You’ll notice that new S&W revolvers with short barrels are often shooting faster than older S&W revolvers with longer barrels. The new S&W revolvers are very good and are made with equipment that makes them more consistent and faster than the S&W revolvers of yesteryear.

Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!!

1. 3 inch S&W J frame

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps

2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps

3. 5 inch S&W model 27

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps

4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100

a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps

5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894

a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps
b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps
c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!!
d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!!

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357

jckeffer · January 10, 2009, 02:39 AM

Another way , to view this, like Daryl, is to fill the 2 5 gallon buckets with water and the shoot one with the gun and one with the arrow. The arrow will penetrate all the way through and the water will slowly drain out. This is why most bow hunter will wait 30-60 minutes before following the animal.

Shooting a 5 gallon bucket of water (sealed tightly with a lid) with a 30.06 will cause the bucket to explode - literally! A .357 magnun at close range will have a similiar effect. The impact damage is much greater.

Daryl · January 10, 2009, 07:08 AM

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Another way , to view this, like Daryl, is to fill the 2 5 gallon buckets with water and the shoot one with the gun and one with the arrow. The arrow will penetrate all the way through and the water will slowly drain out. This is why most bow hunter will wait 30-60 minutes before following the animal.

Shooting a 5 gallon bucket of water (sealed tightly with a lid) with a 30.06 will cause the bucket to explode - literally! A .357 magnun at close range will have a similiar effect. The impact damage is much greater.

Yep, and if you fill that bucket with sand, a decent weight arrow tipped with a broadhead will still penetrate it, but the 30-06 bullet won't.

They're different weapons, and they kill in different ways, but they're both still very effective.

Daryl

January 3, 2009, 02:39 PM	#27
Wayward_Son Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2008 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 406	I saw a video on YouTube the other day of two bucks with their antlers locked. The hunter shot one with his bow; the arrow went straight into the right flank of the buck, just behind the shoulder. It buried itself halfway into the chest cavity. There was a near-instant jet of blood that shot out of the animal, and the two tangled bucks went down into a stream. The river ran red. I thought it was astonishing just how much blood was released so quickly from the arrow's wound. Then I read about guys shooting deer with rifles and not having much of a blood trail to follow if the deer runs. Perhaps I can find the video and post it here. Here it is. When I saw it the other day there was audio. I know this is the hunting forum, but I'll go ahead and warn that this is pretty graphic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useNf...eature=related __________________ Speak softly, but carry a .357 magnum. Last edited by Wayward_Son; January 3, 2009 at 02:50 PM.

January 5, 2009, 05:02 PM	#28
publius Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2005 Location: Mississippi/Texas Posts: 2,505	It'll work fine. Keep shots close and use a good bullet. Heavy SWC is my first choice followed by JSP then HP. __________________ "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." Mark Twain

January 5, 2009, 10:00 PM	#30
troy_mclure Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: gulf of mexico Posts: 2,716	ive killed several deer with my dads .357mag as a teen. __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

January 8, 2009, 10:29 PM	#31
Big Bill Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,053	Here's some stats from Buffalo Bore that you may find helpful... About Buffalo Bore 357 Mag. ammo Our 357 mag. ammo adds more power than ever before to the 357 mag. This ammo is safe to shoot in ANY all steel 357 revolver—this includes J frames. This ammo is no harder on your gun than any other normal 357 ammo. Please don’t phone us and ask if this ammo is safe in your gun. It is, providing your gun is in safe condition for use with any normal 357 ammo. We don’t recommend this ammo to be fired in super light alloy revolvers as bullets may jump crimp under recoil, but the ammo itself wont hurt these super light weight revolvers. These revolvers are simply so light that the recoil is severe enough to cause crimp jump. The below velocities are offered so that you can see what guns/barrel lengths give what velocities with this new 357 mag. ammo. You’ll notice that new S&W revolvers with short barrels are often shooting faster than older S&W revolvers with longer barrels. The new S&W revolvers are very good and are made with equipment that makes them more consistent and faster than the S&W revolvers of yesteryear. Make special note of the Marlin 1894, 18.5 inch barrel velocities. Item 19C/20, supercedes 30-30 energies!!! 1. 3 inch S&W J frame a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1302 fps b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC (jacketed hollow cavity) = 1299 fps c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1398 fps d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1476 fps 2. 4 inch S&W L frame Mt. Gun a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard cast LFN = 1375 fps b. Item 19B/20-170gr JHC = 1411 fps c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1485 fps d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1603 fps 3. 5 inch S&W model 27 a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast =1398 fps b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1380 fps c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 1457 fps d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1543 fps 4. 6 inch Ruger GP 100 a. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 1707 fps 5. 18.5 inch Marlin 1894 a. Item 19A/20-180gr. Hard Cast = 1851 fps b. Item 19B/20-170gr. JHC = 1860 fps c. Item 19C/20-158gr. Speer Uni Core = 2153 fps---- Can you believe this?!!! d. Item 19D/20-125gr. Speer Uni Core = 2298 fps---- Or this?!!! http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357 __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." - General George Patton Jr

January 3, 2009, 12:05 PM	#26
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	Daryl and Scorch have it right. Bullets kill by shock and tissue damage. Arrows kill by hemorrage. An arrow doesn't have to do any tissue damage to be deadly - just slice some major blood vessels and wait for the animal to bleed out.

January 5, 2009, 07:45 PM	#29
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Started out with 357 and have shot deer with following calibers 41,45lc and 44. Next will be 475 linebaugh. This has been over many years and alot of practice with each. Your distance confidence should be done at the range and don`t exceed that distance afield. I personally like a scope(getting older need all the help I can get ) and won`t shoot beyond my limitations. Haven`t used the 357 hunting in quite some time and if I went back to it,I`d have to get my refresher range time in prior. Probably my favorite cal. is the 41. Seems I spend(as much) or more time practicing with my handgun than I do with my bow. Your a bowhunter(it takes alot of practice) so that may give you some kind of guidelines you`ll need to practice with whatever cal. you choose. Also check your local hunting laws as some states have cal. as well as barrel length limitations. Have fun and Goodluck!

January 10, 2009, 02:39 AM	#32
jckeffer Senior Member Join Date: July 29, 2007 Posts: 185	Another way , to view this, like Daryl, is to fill the 2 5 gallon buckets with water and the shoot one with the gun and one with the arrow. The arrow will penetrate all the way through and the water will slowly drain out. This is why most bow hunter will wait 30-60 minutes before following the animal. Shooting a 5 gallon bucket of water (sealed tightly with a lid) with a 30.06 will cause the bucket to explode - literally! A .357 magnun at close range will have a similiar effect. The impact damage is much greater.