which pump shotgun will last the longest? - Page 3

johnwilliamson062 · January 19, 2010, 10:24 AM

In my opinion, which is based on pretty limited experience, pump shotguns is the area of firearms with the least difference between different brands and almost no material outside of ergonomics.

hogdogs · January 19, 2010, 11:17 AM

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What is different from the 500 to the Maverick?

The Mav 88 has a crossbolt safety on the trigger group versus the tang safety on the 500... that is 'bout it...
Brent

Morgoroth · January 19, 2010, 11:40 AM

Thanks!

Super-Dave · January 19, 2010, 04:40 PM

My question was in reference to an actual part breaking.

darkgael · January 19, 2010, 05:55 PM

Quote:

My question was in reference to an actual part breaking.

Something like - "Starting from new, which of these guns would most likely be the first to have a part break?"

Pete

Super-Dave · January 19, 2010, 06:48 PM

thats it.

carpshooter · January 23, 2010, 06:53 PM

870 is the only one here ,except maybe the Browning !

bswiv · January 23, 2010, 07:01 PM

I love my old Mossberg 500 and hogdogs is right about the action bars, but of the older designs I would pass another vote for the Mad. 37. My dad had one and shot the urin out of it and it NEVER needed a thing done to it.

That said I do not see the average, heck the above average shooter, EVER wearing out a pump.

I will though stick with my old Mossberg...........

bamaranger · January 23, 2010, 10:16 PM

I have a brother in law that shoots trap w/ a custom 870. (special bbl/rib and butt stock). The receiver is stock 870 ( and I think trigger group too)
He is in- to- it.

He told me one time the # of estimated rounds he's put through the gun.
I don't recall the #, exactly, but it was in the tens of thousands, like 30-50 THOUSAND. Maybe it was more. There's been some minor repairs, a shell stop shot loose, a ring for one of the trigger group pins got broke (he thought he forced the pin in and pinched it) , but essentially it just chugged along. Neither of the above probs forced him out of a shoot.

I was stunned.

The 870 is a common LE gun. I would think there would be some interesting numbers out of the various academy's as well.

rc · January 25, 2010, 12:09 AM

BPS is probably the strongest and best designed of the guns mentioned. Let me explail my reasons.

Browning is all steel though it does have some stamped parts unlike the Ithaca 37 on which it is loosely based. The quality of the gun, grade of steel and fit and finish overall are excellent.

My second choice would be a mossberg because the design is excellent but the ejector is a bit delicate and the plastic safety is notoriously prone to breakage on newer models unless you get a military version.

Remington 870 would be next. It is a proven time tested design like the mossberg but the trigger group and disassembly is not as easy as the mossberg. The carrier mechanism can trap a shell under the bolt if you don't feed it all the way into the mag tube.

Winchester 1300 rotating bolt seems overly complicated and therefore prone to breakage.

Lastly the Benelli is designed from the ground up as a cheap entry level mostly plastic pump. It's a relatively untested design and I would not trust it to be completely impervious to U.V. damage and solvents long term. It would be my last choice of shotgun. Sorry if I offended the Nova guys but leave it in gas a few days and get back to me on chemical resistance. rc

rickdavis81 · January 25, 2010, 04:53 AM

870, why even ask.

highvel · January 25, 2010, 05:12 AM

My 870 is over twenty years old and has never let me down. From Deer,Turkeys,Skeet and Clays it has always done it's job!!!!!
From 30" full choke barrel to 26" choke tube barrel to rifled slug barrel it just feels sooooo good.

darkgael · January 25, 2010, 06:41 AM

About the Nova:

Quote:

leave it in gas a few days

I appreciate the concern about the long term viability of the Nova, which doesn't have the history of the 870. That gas comment, though, strikes me as unreasonable. Who leaves their gun in "gas", whether it be a Nova or an 870? I'm supposing that if I were to take a steel and wood gun and drop it in gas for "a few days" it would be damaged no matter the brand.
I am curious, though, to learn more about the material used for the stock of the Nova. There are plastics and then there are plastics; some of the formulations will hold up to about anything - and better than wood. Not as pretty, though.
Pete

TomF1938 · January 25, 2010, 09:19 AM

REMINGTON 870 HANDS DOWN!!!

I've seen Mossberg 500's fail in the field but have never seen an 870 go wrong. The closest I've ever had to a failure on an 870 was when a friend inadvertently put in a round backwards into the magazine and then couldn't get it out without field stripping the gun - but you can't blame the shot gun for that.

I have two brothers that both owned 500's and they were both problematic. This was back in the seventies and maybe Mossberg has improved the newer ones.

TomF

TomF1938 · January 25, 2010, 09:29 AM

I have to add to my last post that the 870 I've owned for the past 40 years is the Wingmaster. I guess that, like all the other gun makers, Remington has probable cheapened the newer models with sub par materials and manufacturing shortcuts.

TomF

jmortimer · January 25, 2010, 09:45 AM

The 870 Wingmaster is a great gun. The current production 870 Express shows a lack of pride. The primary problem is failure to eject and jamming.

jmortimer · January 25, 2010, 09:50 AM

The 870 Wingmaster is a great gun. The current production 870 Express shows a lack of pride. The primary problem is failure to eject and jamming. Out of current production I would expect the Mossberg 500 to last the longest.

batmann · January 25, 2010, 12:44 PM

Well said about the Browning BPS rc, they echo my thoughts exactly. I have two BPS, an older one with beautiful wood and engraving and a newer one with the extended mag and composite stock that I keep for HD and I'm not sure I could wear one out or break one. The action is solid and I have put many, many rounds through the older one and it has been used for every thing from Sporting Clays to Duck blind and I'm not sure I even have it broke in yet!

NightSleeper · January 25, 2010, 01:18 PM

No idea ...

Maromero · January 25, 2010, 02:11 PM

The one that's best taken care of.

LukeA · January 25, 2010, 03:03 PM

I think the results of this poll are the same as if the question was "What is your favorite pump shotgun?"

Polls of similar effectiveness to this one:
What is the longest-lasting butterknife?
What is the longest-lasting brick?
Will the wires in my walls ever wear out?

It doesn't matter. Properly maintained, any of those things will last at least hundreds of years.

darkgael · January 25, 2010, 06:41 PM

SuperDave: Well....did you get your answer yet or has the point been thoroughly missed?
In truth, the answer is unknowable. What is true for one shotgun - of any brand - might not be true of the next one on the rack. A part - an actual part, to use your words - could go on any gun pretty much at any time. If I could tell, I could probably bet horses a lot better too.
I'm curious as to what prompted the poll.
Pete

lambertsteeth · January 25, 2010, 07:35 PM

Has anyone ever heard of anyone wearing out a pump? I haven't.

rc · January 27, 2010, 07:16 PM

I know someone who had an ithaca 37 made in the late 40s that had the extractor wear out after decades of heavy use. Nothing broke, but the shells would no longer get extracted because the chisel edge wore down. This could happen on any gun after time. A new extractor got it running again. That's why I have such an appreciation of the BPS design based on the ithaca. The Remington trigger group is more complicated in my opionion than necissary and if it was superior to other guns, the military would not have purchased the Mossberg 590 which is a slightly upgraded 500 that puts a steel safety and I believe a mettle trigger group on the same basic 500 design. The 590 was not chosen over a BPS because of strength, but because the ejection port allows rounds to be switched in combat more easily. I'm sure the overall weight savings and price were also factors in picking the 590. Now we see the semi auto benelli coming into use, but the pistol grip model 500 is still popular for door breeching rather than combat. rc

David Turley · February 28, 2010, 06:37 AM

I suppose you would have to give the nod to the remington because its been around so long. But i think the benelli is a better built shotgun and will prove its self as time goes on. I own both and no complaints with either of them.

View Poll Results: Which pump shotgun will last the longest before breaking?
Browning	19	9.79%
Benelli nova/supernova	12	6.19%
Winchester 1200/1300	10	5.15%
Mossberg 500	51	26.29%
Remington 870	102	52.58%
Voters: 194. You may not vote on this poll

January 19, 2010, 04:40 PM	#54
Super-Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 795	My question was in reference to an actual part breaking. __________________ If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. George Orwell

January 19, 2010, 06:48 PM	#56
Super-Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 795	thats it. __________________ If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. George Orwell

January 23, 2010, 06:53 PM	#57
carpshooter Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 25	I only got one thing to write ! 870 is the only one here ,except maybe the Browning ! __________________ Shooting carp with whatever it takes !

January 23, 2010, 10:16 PM	#59
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,300	870 I have a brother in law that shoots trap w/ a custom 870. (special bbl/rib and butt stock). The receiver is stock 870 ( and I think trigger group too) He is in- to- it. He told me one time the # of estimated rounds he's put through the gun. I don't recall the #, exactly, but it was in the tens of thousands, like 30-50 THOUSAND. Maybe it was more. There's been some minor repairs, a shell stop shot loose, a ring for one of the trigger group pins got broke (he thought he forced the pin in and pinched it) , but essentially it just chugged along. Neither of the above probs forced him out of a shoot. I was stunned. The 870 is a common LE gun. I would think there would be some interesting numbers out of the various academy's as well.

January 19, 2010, 10:24 AM	#51
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	In my opinion, which is based on pretty limited experience, pump shotguns is the area of firearms with the least difference between different brands and almost no material outside of ergonomics.

January 19, 2010, 11:40 AM	#53
Morgoroth Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2010 Posts: 198	Thanks!

January 23, 2010, 07:01 PM	#58
bswiv Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2006 Location: NE FL....... Posts: 1,081	I love my old Mossberg 500 and hogdogs is right about the action bars, but of the older designs I would pass another vote for the Mad. 37. My dad had one and shot the urin out of it and it NEVER needed a thing done to it. That said I do not see the average, heck the above average shooter, EVER wearing out a pump. I will though stick with my old Mossberg...........

January 25, 2010, 12:09 AM	#60
rc Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 1,763	BPS is probably the strongest and best designed of the guns mentioned. Let me explail my reasons. Browning is all steel though it does have some stamped parts unlike the Ithaca 37 on which it is loosely based. The quality of the gun, grade of steel and fit and finish overall are excellent. My second choice would be a mossberg because the design is excellent but the ejector is a bit delicate and the plastic safety is notoriously prone to breakage on newer models unless you get a military version. Remington 870 would be next. It is a proven time tested design like the mossberg but the trigger group and disassembly is not as easy as the mossberg. The carrier mechanism can trap a shell under the bolt if you don't feed it all the way into the mag tube. Winchester 1300 rotating bolt seems overly complicated and therefore prone to breakage. Lastly the Benelli is designed from the ground up as a cheap entry level mostly plastic pump. It's a relatively untested design and I would not trust it to be completely impervious to U.V. damage and solvents long term. It would be my last choice of shotgun. Sorry if I offended the Nova guys but leave it in gas a few days and get back to me on chemical resistance. rc

January 25, 2010, 04:53 AM	#61
rickdavis81 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 398	870, why even ask.

January 25, 2010, 05:12 AM	#62
highvel Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2010 Location: Powhatan VA Posts: 633	870 Love It! My 870 is over twenty years old and has never let me down. From Deer,Turkeys,Skeet and Clays it has always done it's job!!!!! From 30" full choke barrel to 26" choke tube barrel to rifled slug barrel it just feels sooooo good.

January 25, 2010, 09:19 AM	#64
TomF1938 Member Join Date: January 7, 2007 Location: Nassau County, NY Posts: 28	870 - 870 - 870 REMINGTON 870 HANDS DOWN!!! I've seen Mossberg 500's fail in the field but have never seen an 870 go wrong. The closest I've ever had to a failure on an 870 was when a friend inadvertently put in a round backwards into the magazine and then couldn't get it out without field stripping the gun - but you can't blame the shot gun for that. I have two brothers that both owned 500's and they were both problematic. This was back in the seventies and maybe Mossberg has improved the newer ones. TomF __________________ NRA Life Member

January 25, 2010, 09:29 AM	#65
TomF1938 Member Join Date: January 7, 2007 Location: Nassau County, NY Posts: 28	Old 870 Wingmaster I have to add to my last post that the 870 I've owned for the past 40 years is the Wingmaster. I guess that, like all the other gun makers, Remington has probable cheapened the newer models with sub par materials and manufacturing shortcuts. TomF __________________ NRA Life Member

January 25, 2010, 09:45 AM	#66
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	The 870 Wingmaster is a great gun. The current production 870 Express shows a lack of pride. The primary problem is failure to eject and jamming.

January 25, 2010, 09:50 AM	#67
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	The 870 Wingmaster is a great gun. The current production 870 Express shows a lack of pride. The primary problem is failure to eject and jamming. Out of current production I would expect the Mossberg 500 to last the longest.

January 25, 2010, 12:44 PM	#68
batmann Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2004 Location: Greenwood, IN Posts: 773	Well said about the Browning BPS rc, they echo my thoughts exactly. I have two BPS, an older one with beautiful wood and engraving and a newer one with the extended mag and composite stock that I keep for HD and I'm not sure I could wear one out or break one. The action is solid and I have put many, many rounds through the older one and it has been used for every thing from Sporting Clays to Duck blind and I'm not sure I even have it broke in yet!

January 25, 2010, 01:18 PM	#69
NightSleeper Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 449	No idea ... __________________ *I have rounds yet to fire before I sleep ...*

January 25, 2010, 02:11 PM	#70
Maromero Junior member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Outside the continental U Posts: 752	The one that's best taken care of.

January 25, 2010, 03:03 PM	#71
LukeA Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2009 Posts: 542	I think the results of this poll are the same as if the question was "What is your favorite pump shotgun?" Polls of similar effectiveness to this one: What is the longest-lasting butterknife? What is the longest-lasting brick? Will the wires in my walls ever wear out? It doesn't matter. Properly maintained, any of those things will last at least hundreds of years.

January 25, 2010, 06:41 PM	#72
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	Well... SuperDave: Well....did you get your answer yet or has the point been thoroughly missed? In truth, the answer is unknowable. What is true for one shotgun - of any brand - might not be true of the next one on the rack. A part - an actual part, to use your words - could go on any gun pretty much at any time. If I could tell, I could probably bet horses a lot better too. I'm curious as to what prompted the poll. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

January 25, 2010, 07:35 PM	#73
lambertsteeth Senior Member Join Date: January 18, 2010 Location: steel city Posts: 272	Has anyone ever heard of anyone wearing out a pump? I haven't. __________________ One of God's greastest gifts to man is Dog.

January 27, 2010, 07:16 PM	#74
rc Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: CA Posts: 1,763	I know someone who had an ithaca 37 made in the late 40s that had the extractor wear out after decades of heavy use. Nothing broke, but the shells would no longer get extracted because the chisel edge wore down. This could happen on any gun after time. A new extractor got it running again. That's why I have such an appreciation of the BPS design based on the ithaca. The Remington trigger group is more complicated in my opionion than necissary and if it was superior to other guns, the military would not have purchased the Mossberg 590 which is a slightly upgraded 500 that puts a steel safety and I believe a mettle trigger group on the same basic 500 design. The 590 was not chosen over a BPS because of strength, but because the ejection port allows rounds to be switched in combat more easily. I'm sure the overall weight savings and price were also factors in picking the 590. Now we see the semi auto benelli coming into use, but the pistol grip model 500 is still popular for door breeching rather than combat. rc

February 28, 2010, 06:37 AM	#75
David Turley Member Join Date: February 28, 2010 Location: Owensboro,KY Posts: 88	I suppose you would have to give the nod to the remington because its been around so long. But i think the benelli is a better built shotgun and will prove its self as time goes on. I own both and no complaints with either of them.

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