RADICAL Stock "Cast"?

hogdogs · August 3, 2011, 02:03 PM

Here is the text from the guy...

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This was my great grandfathers gun. It has been handed down to me by my grandfather. Its a 10 Ga Parker Brothers double barrel. Apparently he was right handed and blind in his right eye. Pretty unique gun, in great shape. I still have the paper 10 gauge shells, but wouldnt dare shoot it......

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http://www.pensacolafishingforum.com...34/#post708105

Brent

Dave McC · August 3, 2011, 02:16 PM

It's called a Crossover stock, Brent. Not common, but not unknown either.

hogdogs · August 3, 2011, 04:21 PM

Does anyone know if Parker or another method would have any record of the original buyer etc.?

Would this gun definately have been custom built or were there "crossovers" new on the shelf of the local stores?

Brent

BigJimP · August 3, 2011, 05:41 PM

They were not typical off the shelf items for any mfg as far as I know Brent...but like Dave said, while uncommon - not that rare either....

There are 2 older guys at my club today ....that have become blind in their dominant eye ( one was a professional sports referee ...) ...no jokes please ....and although they were both right handed and right eye dominant ...they both taught themselves to shoot "left handed" or off hand..../and pretty well too - and used what are conventional Over Under guns like a Browning XS Skeet or XT Trap.....and they are both shooting averages in the low 20's out of 25 - which is as good as many of us "old guys" shoot anyway ...

But this crossover stock was the "old way" of doing it ...and I have only seen 1 or 2 shooters trying it in the last 20 yrs or so...on custom made crossover stocks ....but I did happen to see an old SXS at my local gun show a few months back with a crossover stock on it - and it was getting a lot of looks.

hogdogs · August 3, 2011, 06:46 PM

Would these guns have a higher intrinsic value due to less of them or a lower value because it would have few collectors seeking them out. He ain't said it is for sale but he is interested in a value to claim for insurance reasons...

Personally, I would put the highest possible realistic value on it to offset any deductible issues.

Brent

hogdogs · August 3, 2011, 06:54 PM

On the link are a few more pics he just put up as well as a gal showing off a L. Schnautz. In Freehold nj... sometime in the 1870's...

Brent

BigJimP · August 3, 2011, 07:06 PM

For any significant gun - like a Purdy or a Parker - he should get a written appraisal on it - if he really wants to insure it. There are a number of specialty dealers around the country - or big gun dealers - that he should probably discuss it with at least before he pays for an appraisal.

He has 2 choices on his insurance once he establishes a written value for the gun. If he's worried about theft - then he needs to "schedule" it on his insurance policy - there won't be any deductible - and the value won't be disputed - if the insurance company accepts the appraisal and agrees to schedule it. If he doesn't "Schedule" it on his policy - then most policies have a sub-limit for theft of firearms ( for all guns - like $ 2,500 ) and he needs to discuss with his agent - after he has a written value on the gun.

If he's not worried about theft -- because he'll keep it locked up and probably not shoot it - then its covered like his furniture in a fire ...or for any peril other than Theft. He still needs to keep photos and the appraisal so he can establish value on a relatively rare item ...becaus insurance adjustors all know what typical couches, refrigerators or most standard guns are worth - but not something like this.

He can't inflate the value - he needs to rely on the appraisal / and keep it in a safety deposit box - or maybe even send his insurance agent a copy of it and discuss it with them. But while there is a sub-limit for Theft of guns on an insurance policy / guns lost in a fire are insured at full value...not necessarily replacement value - but actual cash value at least. But if its locked up in a good safe and just part of his collection - he never shoots it - and he doesn't want to replace it - he just needs to establish the value thru an appraisal and make sure the perpsonal property on his policy is high enought to cover his guns, furniture, clothes, etc.

In terms of value on it ...really hard to tell .../ but I don't think the value is going to be that high ...its a crossover stock on a 10ga SXS ....Parker or not ...there isn't much of a market for it. But maybe I feel that way - because it isn't something I want ....but he needs to first talk to a knowledgeable appraiser that has more experience with these crossover stocks than I do. In its current conditon ...it might only be worth a few hundred bucks as a novelty ...I just don't know. He can't insure it for sentimental value ...only its appraised value ...but if its only a few hundred bucks ...I wouldn't recommend he "schedule it" on his policy ....just treasure it / keep it as a keepsake from his family and appreciate it for what it is.

jmr40 · August 3, 2011, 07:39 PM

I've seen one on display at Wall Drug Store in Wall South Dakota on our way to Yellowstone a few years ago. It was apparently owned by one of the original owners who shot right handed, but was left eye dominate. It was a pump action, A Mossberg if I remember correctly.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2216

http://www.walldrug.com/t-history.aspx

zippy13 · August 3, 2011, 10:48 PM

It they don't have one at Wall's, it doesn't exist!

August 3, 2011, 02:16 PM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	It's called a Crossover stock, Brent. Not common, but not unknown either.

August 3, 2011, 04:21 PM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Does anyone know if Parker or another method would have any record of the original buyer etc.? Would this gun definately have been custom built or were there "crossovers" new on the shelf of the local stores? Brent

August 3, 2011, 05:41 PM	#4
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	They were not typical off the shelf items for any mfg as far as I know Brent...but like Dave said, while uncommon - not that rare either.... There are 2 older guys at my club today ....that have become blind in their dominant eye ( one was a professional sports referee ...) ...no jokes please ....and although they were both right handed and right eye dominant ...they both taught themselves to shoot "left handed" or off hand..../and pretty well too - and used what are conventional Over Under guns like a Browning XS Skeet or XT Trap.....and they are both shooting averages in the low 20's out of 25 - which is as good as many of us "old guys" shoot anyway ... But this crossover stock was the "old way" of doing it ...and I have only seen 1 or 2 shooters trying it in the last 20 yrs or so...on custom made crossover stocks ....but I did happen to see an old SXS at my local gun show a few months back with a crossover stock on it - and it was getting a lot of looks.

August 3, 2011, 06:46 PM	#5
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Would these guns have a higher intrinsic value due to less of them or a lower value because it would have few collectors seeking them out. He ain't said it is for sale but he is interested in a value to claim for insurance reasons... Personally, I would put the highest possible realistic value on it to offset any deductible issues. Brent

August 3, 2011, 06:54 PM	#6
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	On the link are a few more pics he just put up as well as a gal showing off a L. Schnautz. In Freehold nj... sometime in the 1870's... Brent

August 3, 2011, 07:06 PM	#7
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	For any significant gun - like a Purdy or a Parker - he should get a written appraisal on it - if he really wants to insure it. There are a number of specialty dealers around the country - or big gun dealers - that he should probably discuss it with at least before he pays for an appraisal. He has 2 choices on his insurance once he establishes a written value for the gun. If he's worried about theft - then he needs to "schedule" it on his insurance policy - there won't be any deductible - and the value won't be disputed - if the insurance company accepts the appraisal and agrees to schedule it. If he doesn't "Schedule" it on his policy - then most policies have a sub-limit for theft of firearms ( for all guns - like $ 2,500 ) and he needs to discuss with his agent - after he has a written value on the gun. If he's not worried about theft -- because he'll keep it locked up and probably not shoot it - then its covered like his furniture in a fire ...or for any peril other than Theft. He still needs to keep photos and the appraisal so he can establish value on a relatively rare item ...becaus insurance adjustors all know what typical couches, refrigerators or most standard guns are worth - but not something like this. He can't inflate the value - he needs to rely on the appraisal / and keep it in a safety deposit box - or maybe even send his insurance agent a copy of it and discuss it with them. But while there is a sub-limit for Theft of guns on an insurance policy / guns lost in a fire are insured at full value...not necessarily replacement value - but actual cash value at least. But if its locked up in a good safe and just part of his collection - he never shoots it - and he doesn't want to replace it - he just needs to establish the value thru an appraisal and make sure the perpsonal property on his policy is high enought to cover his guns, furniture, clothes, etc. In terms of value on it ...really hard to tell .../ but I don't think the value is going to be that high ...its a crossover stock on a 10ga SXS ....Parker or not ...there isn't much of a market for it. But maybe I feel that way - because it isn't something I want ....but he needs to first talk to a knowledgeable appraiser that has more experience with these crossover stocks than I do. In its current conditon ...it might only be worth a few hundred bucks as a novelty ...I just don't know. He can't insure it for sentimental value ...only its appraised value ...but if its only a few hundred bucks ...I wouldn't recommend he "schedule it" on his policy ....just treasure it / keep it as a keepsake from his family and appreciate it for what it is.

August 3, 2011, 07:39 PM	#8
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,805	I've seen one on display at Wall Drug Store in Wall South Dakota on our way to Yellowstone a few years ago. It was apparently owned by one of the original owners who shot right handed, but was left eye dominate. It was a pump action, A Mossberg if I remember correctly. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2216 http://www.walldrug.com/t-history.aspx

August 3, 2011, 10:48 PM	#9
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	It they don't have one at Wall's, it doesn't exist!