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October 29, 2009, 11:21 PM | #51 |
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Uncle Billy et al ~
Please do go ahead and take that discussion to another thread. It's quite a lot of drift from where this one started, and a subject all its own worth discussing. pax |
October 29, 2009, 11:41 PM | #52 |
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Nowadays,I carry more to protect my family than any other reason. Especially at large malls,since the recent mall shootings. Don't want to get caught without a handgun and my family and other innocents at risk.
As a fulltime state police officer (LEO) I try to have at least one handgun on me at all times. While on duty I have more recently begun wearing a Springer GI 45 on my belt and my issued Sig 226/40 S&W in a shoulder holster, covered by a khaki Colombia brand vest. I may get a third gun to put somewhere else, When asked why I carry three I respond that I cant find a place to carry 4 comfortably! Last edited by FM12; October 29, 2009 at 11:54 PM. Reason: spellling |
October 30, 2009, 12:21 AM | #53 |
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+1 Uncle Billy
I think most of you are miss quoting Uncle Billy and simply not giving a man fair chance to express his opinion without getting on the band weagon. I would hate to live in the neighbourhoods or work or hangout in places that most of you do- since you 'need' to be prepared and think like that when you are dressing and putting a holstered gun on just like if you are putting a sock on. What part of the world do you live in where crime is so robust that danger is ever looming? I live in Pakistan and I dont see the need for being that prepared here where things are much worse then they are in the USA. What is actually the level of danger that we are talking about here? Are you going to shoot someone who will cut you off on the road, or pushes or something else that doesnt need to end in fatal confrontation? Admit it that these are toys that we need like other people with other hobbies. That said, some of us do live unfriendly parts of the world, and do move about in situations that demand a gun. However that percentage is small. In conclusion, I belive that Uncle Billy's opinion should be respected for what it is, unless we subscribe to facist beliefs and do not tolerate any difference of opinion. I think this forum would very boring if we all sat around agreeing with each other and jump on anyone who doesnt. |
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ASSUMING one has a knowledge of safe firearm handling, and proficient operation, why not take some form of projectile-firing weapon around with you?? Law enforcement's real job is arresting people once a crime is commited, not necessarily guarding each of us 24/7.
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October 30, 2009, 05:02 AM | #55 |
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This is how I see it. A handgun should always be in reach when you are home. It should not be just laying somewhere that is easy access to an intruder. Mostly it is the night time when one needs to actually have it out.
It really depends on where you live. |
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The nightly news shows that violence can and does happen in all sorts of unexpected places daily. If I could accurately predict when and where I'd need a gun, I'd just stay home that day (or go buy a winning lottery ticket). But the fact is: we can't know when or where. So, I carry my G19 almost everywhere I go unless there are metal detectors. I'm currently 48 years old, and I've done this since I was 21 and got my first permit. Guns are a hobby, but I don't carry mine to feel all warm and fuzzy and stroke it. I carry mine as others have stated: for security and safety and because I believe my survival will benfit the world a bit more than the POS who might want to rob or kill me. |
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Uncle billy hit on a few of the reasons I carry and a few concerns i face in doing so. He then discounted the reasons, hyped the concerns, and tossed in a pinch of the anti gunners agenda......the gun nut/mall commando. He said "a lot" of us are like this. Everybody I know who carries......and working at a gun shop and gun range you meet alot of folks......none are like Uncle billy described. His opinion is further nullified by the millions of law abiding civilians who carry everyday without issue or accident either of which the lame stream media would have plastered as front page propaganda against CWP's. Pax I apologize for continuing the threat shift however I thought it extremely important to rebut the false anti gun rhetoric strewn in this thread. |
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Funny, you don't need references, a psychological screening, or subjective approval from law enforcement to obtain a state liscense to drive a 6000 pound vehicle, I mean, MISSILE, down the road in NY, do you?
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their conflict. Bystanders seldom die from wild shots. Blood isn't running in rivers in our streets. So, what seems to be the problem? |
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October 30, 2009, 09:41 AM | #61 |
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Insurance policy vs. firearm
Uncle Billy missed an essential difference in his summary of the differences between carrying a concealed weapon and having insurance. That is simply that: insurance is mandated by law, in the case of car insurance; by mortgage companies, in the case of fire insurance and/or flood insurance. By contrast, carrying a firearm is a deliberate logical choice. In many states it is only granted after completing basic firearm safety training, demonstrating some degree of proficiency with the weapon, and a thorough background check. Certainly that is the case in CT. That is a far cry from the hillbilly hobby he described, although i don't doubt that some people in some places fit his descriptions. But everyone i know with a CCW is a responsible, upstanding citizen concerned about defense of family and self.
I have been shooting more than 40 years, if you go back to my BB gun days. I have owned firearms since i was of legal age. I hunt, i shoot recreationally. But i never felt a need to carry concealed until recently. When the perps did in the Petit family http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19957752/ i finally was convinced. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3095614.shtml How much more incentive should one need? That home invasion took place less than 20 miles from my own home, where i was asleep with my wife, and our kids down the hall. There simply isn't time when someone kicks your door down, to run to your safe and spin the dial, then load up your pistol. So on my side it lives, and on my side it will stay. I hope that i live a long life and never have to draw a gun on, let alone shoot, another human being. But with animals like these out there preying on innocent victims, i refuse to be unarmed and unable to respond with lethality, if ever necessary, to save my family or myself.
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Moving the thread..
In compliance with pax's request, I opened a new thread on this topic which I titled "Reasons as to why having a pistol, continued", in the "General Discussion" area.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...42#post3758842
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Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains? Last edited by Uncle Billy; October 30, 2009 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Including the URL of the new thread |
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threegun....if you think I am anti gun, then you wont find a pro gun person easily.
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im 41 yrs old and was in the military 8 yrs. i live in a nice neighborhood in a smallish town in north al. and even though i carry most of the time i have never had any need to use my handgun.maybe i never will but most of the time i will carry my .45 cause you never know
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Firepower, I was just commenting on Uncle Billy's posts. Sorry if I caused confusion.
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There are sensible ways to deploy and carry your firearms in your home. There are also sensible avoidance strategies while driving and out in public. However, what happens when you are driving alone and a vehicle simply refuses to stop following you? Lets say you are on one of the many rural highways around America where there are no police stations in site. How do you deal with threats both known and unknown? You could easily get some guy very angry through actions that are no fault of your own like having to announce lay-offs at your work.
A firearm is much like a fire extinguisher. You dont simply pull out the extinguisher for just any emergency, but exceptional situations where a glass of water simply will not put out the fire. |
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Out where I live I know all the field roads, I sure would like to have someone try to follow me home In your car you have a bit of safety. Lock the doors and drive to the nearest town to get some help. I would not shoot at anyone following me. |
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November 5, 2009, 12:43 AM | #70 |
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My pistol goes wherever I go. Carrying a pistol all the time has saved my bacon a couple of times. With the home invasions that have been going on I'm never without one of my pistols. If I never have to use it great. But if I need it I'm going to need it real bad. On this and other forums their have been
quite a few stories of "the one time I didn't have my gun and needed it". Don't want to tempt Nr. Murphy. My 229R 9mm is sitting next to me as I write. If someone kicks the door in they will be in for a surprise. Better them than me! |
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Why would you stop the guy in the van to ask him what was the matter? I think the best move would have been to get away. You were on a motorcycle which is usually much faster then big vans. I think what you did was provoke the guy by pulling up by his side. He could have had a weapon or maybe he might have used the van as a weapon.
For civilians or even off-duty police, the best avenue is to retreat and avoid until you can't. In the situation with the van, you could have avoided the situation. It seemed like you had an avenue of retreat as you were driving a motorcycle which is obviously faster and more manueverable then a workvan. I think a lot of guys want to do the macho or hero thing versus what seems like the cowardly thing. Its not cowardly to retreat or avoid...in fact, in some states its your legal obligation. |
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Guess you just dont know me. Very little fear, it has gotten me in trouble in the past, like shot once and stabbed in the neck. I was without a gun each time. I did take some guns from a few guys in the bar, years ago tho. Quote:
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Because in some violent crime incidents, like the one's we hear about every day, there's nothing else in the world that's going to keep you alive, or from serious injury. Not the police. Not your quick wit, not the gunman's mercy, not good luck---nothing but a gun.
I think we're all aware of that----aren't we? And yet, still another thread concerning the same subject that's been resurrected more times than than myths concerning the JFK assassination. |
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I carry because I've been carjacked and mugged at gunpoint (and knifepoint)
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