Rimfire Military Trainer Picture Thread.

aarondhgraham · January 26, 2015, 12:06 PM

Gentlemen,,,
I have a new itch.

Lately I have become enamored by some of the .22 caliber military training rifles.

I would like to know more about them,,,
Specifically what is out there.

I propose a thread where you post pictures of your treasured rifles,,,
And any information regarding it origin and pedigree.

I for one would greatly appreciate seeing and learning about the different makes and models.

I will bet that others would enjoy it as well.

Who will start?

Aarond

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T. O'Heir · January 26, 2015, 02:31 PM

Way out of my price league. Shot No. 7 Lee-Enfields(No. 4 in .22 LR) for years while in The Queen's Service, but no way I could afford one now. Running close to a grand, now.
Previous Socialist rat offspring of unmarried parents government chopped ALL of 'em that were issued to CF Army Cadet Corps in the mid 90's.

aarondhgraham · January 29, 2015, 12:20 PM

Well,,,
So much for that idea.

Aarond

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jmtbiggin · January 29, 2015, 12:43 PM

Saw a sweet k98 .22 Cal trainer on GB a few days ago. Bidding was around 1500 with days to go. I will have to settle for just lusting for one.

Cheapshooter · January 29, 2015, 12:47 PM

You might find more info here:
http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearm....com/directory
There is a whole forum on that board about military rimfires and trainers.
This one as well:http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

bamaranger · January 29, 2015, 08:52 PM

I've got a Mossberg 44U.S., no magazine, from CMP, and the dang thing is a shooter, despite its abysmal trigger.

Someday I will learn how to post pics..........

taylorce1 · January 29, 2015, 10:58 PM

I have a DSM 34 Mauser that I picked up at a gunshow last summer for a very good deal. I'd like to fix it up but haven't yet. Restoring it is going to be next to impossible so I'm thinking something along the lines of a nice custom sporter stock.

Mosin-Marauder · January 29, 2015, 11:18 PM

Poland made a WZ-24 (IIRC) Mosin trainer in 5mm (.22lr) even had a 5 round mag too. I could have bought it for 400 but had no need for such.

tangolima · January 29, 2015, 11:47 PM

My friend has a 1903 in 22lr handed down to him by his aging father. It uses Hoffer Thompson devices to mimic 30-06 rounds, so that soldiers can practice loading with stripper clips. It is truly quite special. When he got the rifle he didn't know how it worked. His father was too old to remember much details. I helped him figure out what exactly in his hands.

-TL

aarondhgraham · January 30, 2015, 03:19 PM

Thanks taylorce1,,,
That's what I was hoping for.

Quote:

Restoring it is going to be next to impossible so I'm thinking something along the lines of a nice custom sporter stock.

Actually I think that's an unexplored area,,,
One yet to be exploited I mean.

Say you find a good rifle such as you have,,,
Your own words said "...for a very good deal",,,
Then you do just as you said and make the gun pretty.

If you can't go backward in time,,,
Then go forward,,,
Boldly!

Nice idea.

Aarond

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SurplusShooter · January 30, 2015, 07:00 PM

Polish WZ. 48 .22lr "Baby Mosin"

Romanian M69 .22lr

hartcreek · January 30, 2015, 08:26 PM

bamaranger...check your pms from me.

aarondhgraham · January 31, 2015, 10:53 AM

That's exactly what I wanted to see.

Is that WZ-48 a single-shot?

Thanks again.

Aarond

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ch47gunner · January 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

Got a MAS45 here - French manufactured on Mauser tooling circa 1947.
Picked it up new, a few years ago, never touched by human hands, covered in cosmoline, & wrapped in wax paper. Good shooter, but heavy.
Most of the pics are while I was cleaning the cosmoline off (some fun).

MAS45

SurplusShooter · January 31, 2015, 06:43 PM

Yes it is a single shot. I made a thread about it a few years ago that goes into detail about it. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504375

aarondhgraham · February 1, 2015, 01:03 PM

So far great posts on these rifles:

DSM 34 Mauser
Polish WZ. 48
Romanian M69
MAS45

Any of which I would love a chance to run some rounds through.

The one that really rings my chimes is the WZ 48,,,
I love single-shot rifles and that one has the right military look to it.

I can see why they call it the Baby Mosin.

But all of them are desirable as all heck,,,
That MAS 45 would be a great companion to my K-98.

Keep the pictures and descriptions coming my friends,,,
I'm learning exactly what I was hoping for.

Aarond

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oldscot3 · February 1, 2015, 01:23 PM

Have one that resembles a shrunken garand; the markings are...

H&R Reising 22 cal
Harrington and Richardson Arms Co.
Worcester Mass USA

It's a wallhanger that spent a few decades quietly rusting in a closet. Sorry no pics, I'm using a tablet that I haven't fully learned yet. My pic is too big and I can't figure out how to get it reduced for posting. I may have to borrow somebody's eight year old to help me.

aarondhgraham · February 2, 2015, 01:02 PM

I Googled that rifle you have,,,
That's an odd duck for certain.

It might be worth cleaning up,,,
One went in auction for over $800.00.

Aarond

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oldscot3 · February 2, 2015, 08:18 PM

I failed to mention the model 65 marking. Apparently the Marine Corp trainers weren't marked as such so it's civilian, however, later versions were called "Leathernecks" so it was produced sometime in between.

It is a pretty neat rifle with its baby garand looks and Redfield peep, but unfortunately in such a sorry state that I'm afraid of what it would cost to fix it up. No finish left, hairline cracks in the stock, missing magazine, etc. To further complicate things my area of the state has few gunsmiths of the old school work ethic. The few around want to work when they feel like it, only on whatever suits their personal interest. Apparently there money in that, so who am I to whine. Bottom line, it hangs on the wall with it's former owner's ww2 dog tag tied to it.

badlander · February 4, 2015, 07:58 PM

1942 or 43 Mauser training rifle.

aarondhgraham · February 5, 2015, 09:12 AM

Dang badlander,,,
That scope is bigger than the rifle.

That is one pretty rifle you have there,,,
I was once told that there were two versions,,,
One to be trainers and another sold as civilian sport versions.

Do you know if that is correct?

In any event,,,
Your rifle is a beauty.

Thanks for posting that picture.

Aarond

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aarondhgraham · February 5, 2015, 11:09 AM

I suppose I should post a pic of mine,,,
Even though it's technically not a true military trainer.

CZ just calls it the CZ-452 Special Military Trainer.

I would love to own a rimfire Mauser,,,
It would pair perfectly with my K98 8mm Mauser,,,
But I'm afraid the cost of that rifle would be prohibitive for me.

After seeing the pictures of your rifles,,,
And then doing some reading about them,,,
I'm officially hunting for one of those WZ-48 rifles.

It pleases my aesthetic side,,,
And it's a single-shot,,,
My favorite type.

Aarond

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rodfac · February 5, 2015, 02:04 PM

Here's a pic of my M2 Springfield of 1931 vintage. Lyman 48 rear sight and the standard Springfield '03 front blade make up it's sighting arrangements. It's one of the last rifles I'd part with. Rod

January 26, 2015, 12:06 PM	#1
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Rimfire Military Trainer Picture Thread. Gentlemen,,, I have a new itch. Lately I have become enamored by some of the .22 caliber military training rifles. I would like to know more about them,,, Specifically what is out there. I propose a thread where you post pictures of your treasured rifles,,, And any information regarding it origin and pedigree. I for one would greatly appreciate seeing and learning about the different makes and models. I will bet that others would enjoy it as well. Who will start? Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time) Last edited by aarondhgraham; January 26, 2015 at 12:52 PM.

January 26, 2015, 02:31 PM	#2
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Way out of my price league. Shot No. 7 Lee-Enfields(No. 4 in .22 LR) for years while in The Queen's Service, but no way I could afford one now. Running close to a grand, now. Previous Socialist rat offspring of unmarried parents government chopped ALL of 'em that were issued to CF Army Cadet Corps in the mid 90's. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

January 29, 2015, 12:20 PM	#3
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Well,,, Well,,, So much for that idea. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

January 29, 2015, 12:47 PM	#5
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	You might find more info here: http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearm....com/directory There is a whole forum on that board about military rimfires and trainers. This one as well:http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

January 29, 2015, 08:52 PM	#6
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,300	no pic but........ I've got a Mossberg 44U.S., no magazine, from CMP, and the dang thing is a shooter, despite its abysmal trigger. Someday I will learn how to post pics..........

January 29, 2015, 12:43 PM	#4
jmtbiggin Member Join Date: December 12, 2009 Location: effingham,sc Posts: 70	Saw a sweet k98 .22 Cal trainer on GB a few days ago. Bidding was around 1500 with days to go. I will have to settle for just lusting for one.

January 29, 2015, 10:58 PM	#7
taylorce1 Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2005 Location: On the Santa Fe Trail Posts: 8,242	I have a DSM 34 Mauser that I picked up at a gunshow last summer for a very good deal. I'd like to fix it up but haven't yet. Restoring it is going to be next to impossible so I'm thinking something along the lines of a nice custom sporter stock. __________________ NRA Life Member

January 29, 2015, 11:18 PM	#8
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	Poland made a WZ-24 (IIRC) Mosin trainer in 5mm (.22lr) even had a 5 round mag too. I could have bought it for 400 but had no need for such. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman

January 29, 2015, 11:47 PM	#9
tangolima Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2013 Posts: 3,816	My friend has a 1903 in 22lr handed down to him by his aging father. It uses Hoffer Thompson devices to mimic 30-06 rounds, so that soldiers can practice loading with stripper clips. It is truly quite special. When he got the rifle he didn't know how it worked. His father was too old to remember much details. I helped him figure out what exactly in his hands. -TL

January 30, 2015, 07:00 PM	#11
SurplusShooter Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Location: Upstate,New york Posts: 308	Polish WZ. 48 .22lr "Baby Mosin" Romanian M69 .22lr

January 30, 2015, 08:26 PM	#12
hartcreek Junior member Join Date: April 22, 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 1,549	bamaranger...check your pms from me.

January 31, 2015, 10:53 AM	#13
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Thanks Surplus Shooter,,, That's exactly what I wanted to see. Is that WZ-48 a single-shot? Thanks again. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

January 31, 2015, 03:49 PM	#14
ch47gunner Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: Santa Cruz, Ca. Posts: 204	Got a MAS45 here - French manufactured on Mauser tooling circa 1947. Picked it up new, a few years ago, never touched by human hands, covered in cosmoline, & wrapped in wax paper. Good shooter, but heavy. Most of the pics are while I was cleaning the cosmoline off (some fun). MAS45 __________________ http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member1197.png

January 31, 2015, 06:43 PM	#15
SurplusShooter Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2011 Location: Upstate,New york Posts: 308	Aarond... Yes it is a single shot. I made a thread about it a few years ago that goes into detail about it. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504375

February 1, 2015, 01:03 PM	#16
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Now we're getting something going here,,, So far great posts on these rifles: DSM 34 Mauser Polish WZ. 48 Romanian M69 MAS45 Any of which I would love a chance to run some rounds through. The one that really rings my chimes is the WZ 48,,, I love single-shot rifles and that one has the right military look to it. I can see why they call it the Baby Mosin. But all of them are desirable as all heck,,, That MAS 45 would be a great companion to my K-98. Keep the pictures and descriptions coming my friends,,, I'm learning exactly what I was hoping for. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 1, 2015, 01:23 PM	#17
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	Have one that resembles a shrunken garand; the markings are... H&R Reising 22 cal Harrington and Richardson Arms Co. Worcester Mass USA It's a wallhanger that spent a few decades quietly rusting in a closet. Sorry no pics, I'm using a tablet that I haven't fully learned yet. My pic is too big and I can't figure out how to get it reduced for posting. I may have to borrow somebody's eight year old to help me.

February 2, 2015, 01:02 PM	#18
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Hello oldscot3,,, I Googled that rifle you have,,, That's an odd duck for certain. It might be worth cleaning up,,, One went in auction for over $800.00. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 2, 2015, 08:18 PM	#19
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	I failed to mention the model 65 marking. Apparently the Marine Corp trainers weren't marked as such so it's civilian, however, later versions were called "Leathernecks" so it was produced sometime in between. It is a pretty neat rifle with its baby garand looks and Redfield peep, but unfortunately in such a sorry state that I'm afraid of what it would cost to fix it up. No finish left, hairline cracks in the stock, missing magazine, etc. To further complicate things my area of the state has few gunsmiths of the old school work ethic. The few around want to work when they feel like it, only on whatever suits their personal interest. Apparently there money in that, so who am I to whine. Bottom line, it hangs on the wall with it's former owner's ww2 dog tag tied to it.

February 4, 2015, 07:58 PM	#20
badlander Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2008 Location: So. Fla Posts: 344	1942 or 43 Mauser training rifle. __________________ We have room for all of Alaska's wildlife. Right next to the mashed potatos- Sarah Palin

February 5, 2015, 09:12 AM	#21
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Dang badlander,,, Dang badlander,,, That scope is bigger than the rifle. That is one pretty rifle you have there,,, I was once told that there were two versions,,, One to be trainers and another sold as civilian sport versions. Do you know if that is correct? In any event,,, Your rifle is a beauty. Thanks for posting that picture. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time) Last edited by aarondhgraham; February 5, 2015 at 11:10 AM.

February 5, 2015, 11:09 AM	#22
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I suppose I should post a pic of mine,,, I suppose I should post a pic of mine,,, Even though it's technically not a true military trainer. CZ just calls it the CZ-452 Special Military Trainer. I would love to own a rimfire Mauser,,, It would pair perfectly with my K98 8mm Mauser,,, But I'm afraid the cost of that rifle would be prohibitive for me. After seeing the pictures of your rifles,,, And then doing some reading about them,,, I'm officially hunting for one of those WZ-48 rifles. It pleases my aesthetic side,,, And it's a single-shot,,, My favorite type. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time) Last edited by aarondhgraham; February 5, 2015 at 11:18 AM.

February 5, 2015, 02:04 PM	#23
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,623	Here's a pic of my M2 Springfield of 1931 vintage. Lyman 48 rear sight and the standard Springfield '03 front blade make up it's sighting arrangements. It's one of the last rifles I'd part with. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.