Non AR15 5.56

soldiercraig · June 6, 2014, 04:04 AM

I'm trying to find a rifle that takes the AR15 mag and is not an AR15. Im trying to see if I can do this on a light budget right around $900 with a little give in either direction. Anybody have any suggestions?

Rottweiler · June 6, 2014, 04:32 AM

Remington made a pump rifle that took AR mags. I think it was the model 7615. They might still make it, don't know for sure

jmr40 · June 6, 2014, 05:28 AM

You can buy an AR for a lot less than $900. Other than the Remington pump, which costs a lot more than an AR, there is the Mossberg bolt rifle. None others come to mind.

BillM · June 6, 2014, 07:35 AM

Kel-Tec, Robinson Arms come to mind.
Quick search for "guns that take M16 magazines" pulled up this
little list.

MSAR STG 556 E4.
TPD AXR.

And:
Armalite AR-18/Howa Type 89
Beretta AR70/90
Beretta ARX-160
Beretta Rx4 Storm
Bernardelli VB-SR
Bofors Carl Gustaf Ak 5
Bushmaster M17S
CETME Model L
CIS SAR-80
CIS SR-88
Colt M16/Diemaco C7
Colt M4/Diemaco C8
Daewoo K2/Daewoo K1
Daewoo K3
FAD assault rifle
FAMAS G2
FN F2000
FN FNC
FN Minimi/M249 SAW
FN SCAR
Heckler & Koch HK416
Heckler & Koch G41
Kel-Tec SU-16
IMBEL MD2
IMI Tavor TAR-21
Kel-Tec SU-16
Kel-Tec PLR-16
Khaybar KH2002
LAPA FA-03
Magpul Masada
Magpul PDR
Norinco CQ
Pindad SS2
Norinco QBZ-97
Remington Model 7615P "Police Patrol Rifle"
Robinson Armaments M-96 "Expeditionary Rifle"
Robinson Armaments XCR
SA80
SAR-21 (export models)[5]
SIG 556
Steyr AUG A3 (through conversion)
T2 MK5 rifle
Type 65
Type 86
Type 91
Ultimax 100
XM29 OICW

WeedWacker · June 6, 2014, 08:06 AM

Is it that you think the AR-15 is too expensive? Or unreliable to you? Or do you wish to just have a rifle that uses STANAG magazines you already have?

soldiercraig · June 6, 2014, 08:29 AM

I have a a few DI Ar 15 already. I love em. I was just looking to shake things up a bit. Im really trying to keep it around $900 because I'm putting in my order for a Springfield M1A match and its eating up alot of this years gun budget. Thanks for that list. Another reason I'm trying to make sure they take the Ar mags is that the state I am stationed in has a magazine limit. I would move if I could, but Army says I gotta stay.

Unlicensed Dremel · June 6, 2014, 08:53 AM

As mentioned, there are many. But to me, some of the more interesting ones are the Rem 7615 pump, Robinson XCR, and the high-quality bullpups (FN FS2000, Tavor, and AUG).

Having said that, a DI AR15 is more interesting yet to me than ALL of them - the AR15 is popular for very very good reason - and worth the money. Right now there is a glut of AR15s in 5.56x45 due to the overbuying during Obama-1 and Obama-2 panics. It's a buyer's market. Dig deep, do your research, and get one of these fine rifles.

EDIT: Oops, ok - sorry - I see you said you have some AR15s.

DubC-Hicks · June 6, 2014, 11:15 AM

What about the new rifle from Masterpiece Arms? It looks like an AR/SCAR mix. Its pretty interesting.

soldiercraig · June 6, 2014, 03:09 PM

I think its called the MPA 15? Has anybody shot it yet? I like the piston system, and the side charging. Right in the budget too. Thanks guys. If anybody has one, let me know how you like it.

tahunua001 · June 6, 2014, 04:46 PM

on that kindof budget, you're restricted to a mossberg MVP bolt action or a used Ruger mini14.

Jim243 · June 7, 2014, 09:49 AM

Humm, not an AR! All the Mossberg 5.56 MVP's use standard AR mags. My personal favorite is the MVP-Flex, but some of the other models are very sexy too if you are looking for a bolt gun.

Jim

soldiercraig · June 7, 2014, 12:05 PM

I think I may have found a winner. There are some Sig 556 rifles that are going in my desired price range. Thanks everybody, I appreciate the insight.

James K · June 7, 2014, 12:18 PM

Not sure about the others, but the AR-18/180 will not use AR-15/M16 magazines without alteration. A new magazine catch slot has to be cut, the "swell" on the AR-15 magazine has to be flattened, and the follower altered to operate the bolt holdopen.

Edited to add: The above applies to the original AR-18/180. The new AR-180B uses AR-15/M16 magazines without alteration.

Jim

Bart Noir · June 9, 2014, 07:44 PM

KelTec Guns to look for

Yeah, that M43 does sort have a German WW2 look about it

These two have differing model names but other than color and the folding sights, I don't see the difference. They seem to have overcome the bad-tigger-on-bullpups problem, according to a review of the preproduction version version that I read.

Bart Noir

June 6, 2014, 04:04 AM	#1
soldiercraig Member Join Date: March 29, 2008 Location: Colorado springs, co Posts: 98	Non AR15 5.56 I'm trying to find a rifle that takes the AR15 mag and is not an AR15. Im trying to see if I can do this on a light budget right around $900 with a little give in either direction. Anybody have any suggestions? __________________ "I have learned that there are troubles of more than one kind, some come from ahead and some come from behind, but I've brought a big bat, I am all ready you see, now my troubles are going to have troubles with me" -Dr. Seuss

June 6, 2014, 04:32 AM	#2
Rottweiler Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2001 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 391	Remington made a pump rifle that took AR mags. I think it was the model 7615. They might still make it, don't know for sure __________________ Texas - envied by lesser states since 1845

June 6, 2014, 08:06 AM	#5
WeedWacker Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2006 Location: Body: Clarkston, Washington. Soul: LaCrosse, Wisconsin Posts: 1,591	Is it that you think the AR-15 is too expensive? Or unreliable to you? Or do you wish to just have a rifle that uses STANAG magazines you already have? __________________ - Jon Disequilibrium facilitates accommodation. 9mm vs .45 ACP? The answer is .429

June 6, 2014, 08:29 AM	#6
soldiercraig Member Join Date: March 29, 2008 Location: Colorado springs, co Posts: 98	I have a a few DI Ar 15 already. I love em. I was just looking to shake things up a bit. Im really trying to keep it around $900 because I'm putting in my order for a Springfield M1A match and its eating up alot of this years gun budget. Thanks for that list. Another reason I'm trying to make sure they take the Ar mags is that the state I am stationed in has a magazine limit. I would move if I could, but Army says I gotta stay. __________________ "I have learned that there are troubles of more than one kind, some come from ahead and some come from behind, but I've brought a big bat, I am all ready you see, now my troubles are going to have troubles with me" -Dr. Seuss

June 6, 2014, 08:53 AM	#7
Unlicensed Dremel Junior member Join Date: February 13, 2014 Location: Flathead Valley, MT Posts: 2,187	As mentioned, there are many. But to me, some of the more interesting ones are the Rem 7615 pump, Robinson XCR, and the high-quality bullpups (FN FS2000, Tavor, and AUG). Having said that, a DI AR15 is more interesting yet to me than ALL of them - the AR15 is popular for very very good reason - and worth the money. Right now there is a glut of AR15s in 5.56x45 due to the overbuying during Obama-1 and Obama-2 panics. It's a buyer's market. Dig deep, do your research, and get one of these fine rifles. EDIT: Oops, ok - sorry - I see you said you have some AR15s. Last edited by Unlicensed Dremel; June 6, 2014 at 09:17 AM.

June 6, 2014, 05:28 AM	#3
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,808	You can buy an AR for a lot less than $900. Other than the Remington pump, which costs a lot more than an AR, there is the Mossberg bolt rifle. None others come to mind.

June 6, 2014, 07:35 AM	#4
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	Kel-Tec, Robinson Arms come to mind. Quick search for "guns that take M16 magazines" pulled up this little list. MSAR STG 556 E4. TPD AXR. And: Armalite AR-18/Howa Type 89 Beretta AR70/90 Beretta ARX-160 Beretta Rx4 Storm Bernardelli VB-SR Bofors Carl Gustaf Ak 5 Bushmaster M17S CETME Model L CIS SAR-80 CIS SR-88 Colt M16/Diemaco C7 Colt M4/Diemaco C8 Daewoo K2/Daewoo K1 Daewoo K3 FAD assault rifle FAMAS G2 FN F2000 FN FNC FN Minimi/M249 SAW FN SCAR Heckler & Koch HK416 Heckler & Koch G41 Kel-Tec SU-16 IMBEL MD2 IMI Tavor TAR-21 Kel-Tec SU-16 Kel-Tec PLR-16 Khaybar KH2002 LAPA FA-03 Magpul Masada Magpul PDR Norinco CQ Pindad SS2 Norinco QBZ-97 Remington Model 7615P "Police Patrol Rifle" Robinson Armaments M-96 "Expeditionary Rifle" Robinson Armaments XCR SA80 SAR-21 (export models)[5] SIG 556 Steyr AUG A3 (through conversion) T2 MK5 rifle Type 65 Type 86 Type 91 Ultimax 100 XM29 OICW

June 6, 2014, 11:15 AM	#8
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 1,031	What about the new rifle from Masterpiece Arms? It looks like an AR/SCAR mix. Its pretty interesting. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

June 6, 2014, 03:09 PM	#9
soldiercraig Member Join Date: March 29, 2008 Location: Colorado springs, co Posts: 98	I think its called the MPA 15? Has anybody shot it yet? I like the piston system, and the side charging. Right in the budget too. Thanks guys. If anybody has one, let me know how you like it. __________________ "I have learned that there are troubles of more than one kind, some come from ahead and some come from behind, but I've brought a big bat, I am all ready you see, now my troubles are going to have troubles with me" -Dr. Seuss

June 6, 2014, 04:46 PM	#10
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	on that kindof budget, you're restricted to a mossberg MVP bolt action or a used Ruger mini14. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

June 7, 2014, 09:49 AM	#11
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	Humm, not an AR! All the Mossberg 5.56 MVP's use standard AR mags. My personal favorite is the MVP-Flex, but some of the other models are very sexy too if you are looking for a bolt gun. Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

June 7, 2014, 12:05 PM	#12
soldiercraig Member Join Date: March 29, 2008 Location: Colorado springs, co Posts: 98	I think I may have found a winner. There are some Sig 556 rifles that are going in my desired price range. Thanks everybody, I appreciate the insight. __________________ "I have learned that there are troubles of more than one kind, some come from ahead and some come from behind, but I've brought a big bat, I am all ready you see, now my troubles are going to have troubles with me" -Dr. Seuss

June 7, 2014, 12:18 PM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Not sure about the others, but the AR-18/180 will not use AR-15/M16 magazines without alteration. A new magazine catch slot has to be cut, the "swell" on the AR-15 magazine has to be flattened, and the follower altered to operate the bolt holdopen. Edited to add: The above applies to the original AR-18/180. The new AR-180B uses AR-15/M16 magazines without alteration. Jim

June 9, 2014, 07:44 PM	#14
Bart Noir Senior Member Join Date: August 5, 2000 Location: Puget Sound, USA Posts: 2,215	KelTec has some new 5.56 guns on the way. KelTec Guns to look for Yeah, that M43 does sort have a German WW2 look about it These two have differing model names but other than color and the folding sights, I don't see the difference. They seem to have overcome the bad-tigger-on-bullpups problem, according to a review of the preproduction version version that I read. Bart Noir __________________ Be of good cheer and mindful of your gun muzzle!