NYC gun laws

shooterdownunder · July 30, 2015, 06:26 AM

Just saw the below on the ever reliable wikipedia under what's considered an assault weapon.

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and one or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock[20]

Does that mean that a lot of issf pistols are now illegal there? or do they have an exemption for specialist target pistols like we do here?

**44 AMP** · July 30, 2015, 11:22 AM

I don't know about NY, but I would assume they are illegal. In CA, they are. There was a case of a young lady (16 IIRC), who was an Olympic competitor. She tried to get a variance for her match pistol (banned because the magazine doesn't go in the pistol grip).

Essentially, the state told her, we don't care, go practice in another state.

I expect NY would have the same attitude.

The definition comes from the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) law, originally, and NY, CA, and some other states passed state laws at that time using the same definitions. The Fed law had a sunset clause, (it went away in 2004), the state laws did not, and are still in force, and (particularly in NY's case) have been expanded, with additional things added to them (NY SAFE Act, etc.)

REASON does not matter. REALITY does not matter. If it meets the definition they put in law, it is restricted / prohibited. It's the LAW.

PA32Mark · July 30, 2015, 08:37 PM

Actually, the California Assault Weapons ban preceded the federal ban of 1994, and was likely the model for the Federal ban, and maybe some of the AW bans subsequently passed in other states. California's Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1989, and was signed by Governor Deukmejian, a Republican. If memory serves me correct, it was an earlier schoolyard shooting in Stockton, CA, by a nut with a semi auto AK47, in which several children were killed, that served as the final push for successful passage of this bill and its signing by a Republican Governor. Up until that time, California had not been particularly unfriendly to gun owners, but it seems like that year was the beginning of the numerous anti gun laws California has seen since.

Dragline45 · July 30, 2015, 10:39 PM

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Does that mean that a lot of issf pistols are now illegal there?

Yup, NY and CA laws make our laws here in MA seem lenient. You cant even bring a gun into NY state as a non resident unless you are just passing through and spending less than 24hrs there, which makes it really tough for competitors and really discourages anyone from competing in NY state.

shooterdownunder · July 31, 2015, 12:35 AM

Wow. That's more messed up than some of our laws.
ps. I had a look at the california one. It says that olympic pistols are exempted from being considered an assault weapon.

NY'er · July 31, 2015, 10:34 AM

Dragline- I believe that's only true for handguns for NYS, but all guns for NYC

ammo.crafter · July 31, 2015, 10:44 AM

I'm moving from NJ to PA where I can have a lot more freedom and still work in NJ

FITASC · July 31, 2015, 07:27 PM

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You cant even bring a gun into NY state as a non resident unless you are just passing through and spending less than 24hrs there, which makes it really tough for competitors

Simply FALSE. Many competitors from all over just finished the NY State Sporting Clays Championships and they all brought their guns with them for several days. The CT Travelers hosts many shoots in NY State as well with ZERO issues. A friend of mine goes back there for the summer (he is now a FL resident - again, with ZERO issues.

JimPage · July 31, 2015, 10:05 PM

"Simply FALSE." No, half false, half true. Handguns must be in FOPA condition. Long guns sans "assault rifles" can be brought in. But nothing into NYC.

FITASC · August 1, 2015, 09:28 AM

The statement I was referring to was the one above where it was mentioning not being able to bring a "GUN" into NYS, no mention of the city. That is simply BS.

db4570 · August 1, 2015, 11:11 AM

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You cant even bring a gun into NY state as a non resident unless you are just passing through and spending less than 24hrs there, which makes it really tough for competitors and really discourages anyone from competing in NY state.

This only applies to handguns.

David

mikejonestkd · August 1, 2015, 11:12 AM

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This only applies to handguns.

And any firearm that is illegal in NYS....and there are LOTS of firearms that are illegal....

**Aguila Blanca** · August 2, 2015, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragline45

Yup, NY and CA laws make our laws here in MA seem lenient. You cant even bring a gun into NY state as a non resident unless you are just passing through and spending less than 24hrs there, which makes it really tough for competitors and really discourages anyone from competing in NY state.

I thought New York (state) -- as well as Massachusetts and Connecticut -- had an exception for sanctioned competitions. Not so?

DanTSX · August 2, 2015, 09:52 PM

California, and CT have exemptions for olympic style handguns with the magazine outside of the grip. But they have different peculiarities as to which ones qualify, and how they have to be recognized by the state. I don't know if NY and MA have similar exemptions, but the CT exemption is based on the California exemption.

I'm in CT and I want a Ruger Charger. I wonder if I could buy one to train for the olympics with it.

July 30, 2015, 06:26 AM	#1
shooterdownunder Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Location: sydney Posts: 135	NYC gun laws Just saw the below on the ever reliable wikipedia under what's considered an assault weapon. Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and one or more of the following: Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor Barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm. A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock[20] Does that mean that a lot of issf pistols are now illegal there? or do they have an exemption for specialist target pistols like we do here?

July 30, 2015, 11:22 AM	#2
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	I don't know about NY, but I would assume they are illegal. In CA, they are. There was a case of a young lady (16 IIRC), who was an Olympic competitor. She tried to get a variance for her match pistol (banned because the magazine doesn't go in the pistol grip). Essentially, the state told her, we don't care, go practice in another state. I expect NY would have the same attitude. The definition comes from the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) law, originally, and NY, CA, and some other states passed state laws at that time using the same definitions. The Fed law had a sunset clause, (it went away in 2004), the state laws did not, and are still in force, and (particularly in NY's case) have been expanded, with additional things added to them (NY SAFE Act, etc.) REASON does not matter. REALITY does not matter. If it meets the definition they put in law, it is restricted / prohibited. It's the LAW. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

July 31, 2015, 10:44 AM	#7
ammo.crafter Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2006 Location: The Keystone State Posts: 1,970	CA & NY I'm moving from NJ to PA where I can have a lot more freedom and still work in NJ __________________ "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson

July 31, 2015, 10:05 PM	#9
JimPage Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2010 Location: Rome, NY Posts: 941	"Simply FALSE." No, half false, half true. Handguns must be in FOPA condition. Long guns sans "assault rifles" can be brought in. But nothing into NYC. __________________ Jim Page Cogito, ergo armatum sum

August 1, 2015, 09:28 AM	#10
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	The statement I was referring to was the one above where it was mentioning not being able to bring a "GUN" into NYS, no mention of the city. That is simply BS. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

July 30, 2015, 08:37 PM	#3
PA32Mark Member Join Date: January 27, 2015 Posts: 54	Actually, the California Assault Weapons ban preceded the federal ban of 1994, and was likely the model for the Federal ban, and maybe some of the AW bans subsequently passed in other states. California's Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1989, and was signed by Governor Deukmejian, a Republican. If memory serves me correct, it was an earlier schoolyard shooting in Stockton, CA, by a nut with a semi auto AK47, in which several children were killed, that served as the final push for successful passage of this bill and its signing by a Republican Governor. Up until that time, California had not been particularly unfriendly to gun owners, but it seems like that year was the beginning of the numerous anti gun laws California has seen since.

July 31, 2015, 12:35 AM	#5
shooterdownunder Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Location: sydney Posts: 135	Wow. That's more messed up than some of our laws. ps. I had a look at the california one. It says that olympic pistols are exempted from being considered an assault weapon.

July 31, 2015, 10:34 AM	#6
NY'er Member Join Date: January 14, 2007 Posts: 17	Dragline- I believe that's only true for handguns for NYS, but all guns for NYC

August 2, 2015, 09:52 PM	#14
DanTSX Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2008 Posts: 318	California, and CT have exemptions for olympic style handguns with the magazine outside of the grip. But they have different peculiarities as to which ones qualify, and how they have to be recognized by the state. I don't know if NY and MA have similar exemptions, but the CT exemption is based on the California exemption. I'm in CT and I want a Ruger Charger. I wonder if I could buy one to train for the olympics with it.