Benelli Super Nova vs Remington Express Super Magnum

Super-Dave · December 20, 2008, 02:23 PM

Which will last the longest and is more durable if you only fired 3.5" rounds?

Benelli Super Nova or Remington Express Super Magnum?

Dave McC · December 20, 2008, 06:38 PM

Have I mentioned how much I hate "Vs" threads?....

Dave, nobody knows. No one has shot enough 3.5" howitzer rounds through either to wear one out.

A case can be made that the shooter is more likely to fail than the shotgun.

BigJimP · December 20, 2008, 06:54 PM

Firing 3 1/2" vs 2 3/4" rounds - in my opinion, will have no affect on a decently made pump shotgun.

There's no way I can answer which gun will perform long term or which one may fail. The Super Nova and Nova have solid reputations / the 870 express is not the top of the line of the 870's - like the Wingmaster - but they will both last many thousands of rounds in all probablility.

JonnyReb · December 20, 2008, 07:42 PM

I can attest to one thing.

My 870 3in. shooting the 3" hevi shot goose loads, with a supercell pad on a synthetic stock, Kicked WAY less than my dads supernova using 3 1/2" blackcloud steel.

The nova, even though it has that fancy looking recoil absorbent stock, kicks the crap out of me and smacks my cheekbone too, just for extra effect. Seems to be a bulletproof shotty but i'll stick with my 870...J.R.

BigJimP · December 21, 2008, 06:56 PM

You're mixing apples and oranges JohnnyReb - recoil, especially in a pump gun or any fixed action gun, is purely a function of the weight of the gun, the weight of the shot charge and the velocity of the load.

It has nothing to do with the model of pump gun - other than the weight of the gun - if you shot the same load.

JonnyReb · December 21, 2008, 08:43 PM

Well...

We were ask to mix them weren't we?

BigJimP · December 22, 2008, 05:45 PM

No, he was asking about shooting 3 1/2" shells in both guns.

Unless I misunderstood - you were talking about shooting a 3" heavi shot load vs a 3 1/2" black cloud load - and those 2 loads, I'm assuming, have very different velocities as well as different ounces of shot in them - which makes the recoil very different for each load.

JonnyReb · December 22, 2008, 10:36 PM

Yup, no doubt....sorry bout that..J.R.

.357 mag · December 22, 2008, 10:52 PM

Plus the Nova might no fit you as well as the 870 which is why your cheek sucks right now.

BigJimP · December 23, 2008, 01:03 PM

No problem JR but any pain in your face - is either a fundamental problem as you execute the shot / or more likely its a gun fit problem. You shouldn't suffer with any pain in your face when you shoot a shotgun.

Using myself as an example / before I figured this out ... too much drop at the comb, pushed the meat in my face up against the front of my cheek bone. As the gun recoiled, it smacked that bone - bruising me big time /even breaking the skin. The solution for me - is a gun recoiling under that cheek bone. My solution is to put a pad on the comb to raise up comb / or to go to a gun with a comb that is parallel to the rib of the gun - to get it to recoil under that cheek bone - then of course you ought to be able to shoot any load you want without a problem.

JonnyReb · December 23, 2008, 07:30 PM

I'm lucky that the entire Rem line, 870, 1100, 7400 even the 700's etc...all seem to shoot well for me and don't bust my cheek up. As you mentioned, other brands with different dimensions recoil differently. J.R.

BigJimP · December 24, 2008, 11:45 AM

Fit is a big issue / so I put a new link up discussing it in a little more detail.

And your right, its all about knowing what fits you. Take Care.

December 20, 2008, 02:23 PM	#1
Super-Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 795	Benelli Super Nova vs Remington Express Super Magnum Which will last the longest and is more durable if you only fired 3.5" rounds? Benelli Super Nova or Remington Express Super Magnum? __________________ If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. George Orwell Last edited by Super-Dave; December 20, 2008 at 03:06 PM.

December 23, 2008, 01:03 PM	#10
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	No problem JR but any pain in your face - is either a fundamental problem as you execute the shot / or more likely its a gun fit problem. You shouldn't suffer with any pain in your face when you shoot a shotgun. Using myself as an example / before I figured this out ... too much drop at the comb, pushed the meat in my face up against the front of my cheek bone. As the gun recoiled, it smacked that bone - bruising me big time /even breaking the skin. The solution for me - is a gun recoiling under that cheek bone. My solution is to put a pad on the comb to raise up comb / or to go to a gun with a comb that is parallel to the rib of the gun - to get it to recoil under that cheek bone - then of course you ought to be able to shoot any load you want without a problem. Last edited by BigJimP; December 23, 2008 at 02:42 PM.

December 20, 2008, 06:38 PM	#2
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Have I mentioned how much I hate "Vs" threads?.... Dave, nobody knows. No one has shot enough 3.5" howitzer rounds through either to wear one out. A case can be made that the shooter is more likely to fail than the shotgun.

December 20, 2008, 06:54 PM	#3
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Firing 3 1/2" vs 2 3/4" rounds - in my opinion, will have no affect on a decently made pump shotgun. There's no way I can answer which gun will perform long term or which one may fail. The Super Nova and Nova have solid reputations / the 870 express is not the top of the line of the 870's - like the Wingmaster - but they will both last many thousands of rounds in all probablility.

December 20, 2008, 07:42 PM	#4
JonnyReb Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Location: Central N.C. Posts: 157	I can attest to one thing. My 870 3in. shooting the 3" hevi shot goose loads, with a supercell pad on a synthetic stock, Kicked WAY less than my dads supernova using 3 1/2" blackcloud steel. The nova, even though it has that fancy looking recoil absorbent stock, kicks the crap out of me and smacks my cheekbone too, just for extra effect. Seems to be a bulletproof shotty but i'll stick with my 870...J.R.

December 21, 2008, 06:56 PM	#5
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	You're mixing apples and oranges JohnnyReb - recoil, especially in a pump gun or any fixed action gun, is purely a function of the weight of the gun, the weight of the shot charge and the velocity of the load. It has nothing to do with the model of pump gun - other than the weight of the gun - if you shot the same load.

December 21, 2008, 08:43 PM	#6
JonnyReb Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Location: Central N.C. Posts: 157	Well... We were ask to mix them weren't we?

December 22, 2008, 05:45 PM	#7
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	No, he was asking about shooting 3 1/2" shells in both guns. Unless I misunderstood - you were talking about shooting a 3" heavi shot load vs a 3 1/2" black cloud load - and those 2 loads, I'm assuming, have very different velocities as well as different ounces of shot in them - which makes the recoil very different for each load.

December 22, 2008, 10:36 PM	#8
JonnyReb Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Location: Central N.C. Posts: 157	Yup, no doubt....sorry bout that..J.R.

December 22, 2008, 10:52 PM	#9
.357 mag Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2008 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 193	Plus the Nova might no fit you as well as the 870 which is why your cheek sucks right now.

December 23, 2008, 07:30 PM	#11
JonnyReb Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2008 Location: Central N.C. Posts: 157	I'm lucky that the entire Rem line, 870, 1100, 7400 even the 700's etc...all seem to shoot well for me and don't bust my cheek up. As you mentioned, other brands with different dimensions recoil differently. J.R.

December 24, 2008, 11:45 AM	#12
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Fit is a big issue / so I put a new link up discussing it in a little more detail. And your right, its all about knowing what fits you. Take Care.