deer problem in my area(central ny) - Page 2

booker_t · December 21, 2010, 02:11 PM

Hah.. understood. I'm sure "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't a viable option.

Did you try to go higher, petition the state legislators? Maybe get a lobbyist's ear and piggyback on some other piece of law?

Brian Pfleuger · December 21, 2010, 02:24 PM

I don't know the exact details. I have talked to a number of people who are intimately involved, from street level law enforcement to the Cornell Biologist in charge of the neighboring hunting and sterilization research project (even sat through his little informational seminars for hunters), as well as a few (reasonable) people who live in Cayuga Heights. I only know that every conceivable method has been proposed and/or tried. They proposed the sniper thing, the capture and relocate thing, the bowhunting only thing, the sterilization thing.....

The major problem, but by far not the only one, is Cayugadeer.org. The organization is run (or at least funded) by Mrs. Parks, who made her fortune via Park Outdoors, a billboard company. She lives there and is among the more radical of the radicals.

They oppose every effort, except the ineffective ones like sterilization. Bowhunting, it seems, is especially dangerous to peoples pets, and children even.

Frankly, the area is 1.8 square miles, according to wikipedia. I doubt it's big enough that anybody on the state level could give half a rodents rear-end. Nobody goes there except those who live there and it doesn't really cause problems for anybody but them so, in the end, who cares?

Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.

davlandrum · December 21, 2010, 02:34 PM

Maybe there is money to be made in building "brush guards" for BMWs and Mercedes.....

Those big heavy duty ones that I have never seen outside of Texas....

YARDDOG(1) · December 21, 2010, 03:00 PM

"[Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.]"

That would be SWEET

Y/D

BfloBill · December 22, 2010, 12:00 AM

Several towns over from me the Town of Amherst NY (suburb of Buffalo) is experimenting with nuisance permits for residents after going through all the crap that it sounds like you are going through right now. I don't have any specific info on it, but maybe if you did some research on what they are doing it will help.
Many of the locals by me are blaming the auto insurance companies for introducing cyotes to control the deer population. Now they come strolling through my yard like they own it and my kids are afraid to play in the woods, which sucks because that was such a big part of my childhood. If I finally kill a couple this year I'll post pictures, they are not like some of the smaller varieties I've seen pictures of, they are closer in size to a small German Sheppard.

gew98 · December 22, 2010, 12:37 AM

Where I grew up in central New Jerkistan it was once a great place to hunt..some nice sized and plentiful bucks. But along came a wave of city dwelling types and realestate went through the roof. Houses and developements left and right. And wit these city dwellers came their ideas of living, and their crime too.
It was not long before many of the big farms and woods were gone and when there were still great places to hunt and these city types had a cow seeing hunters they played politics and next thing you know 'no firearm discharge zones' were created...created with the intent to stop hunting and any recreational shooting on private property. The deer overpopulated , got smaller , caused considerably more auto accidents. And these same liberals next complained about those same starving deer hammering their precious beautiful gardens and mini farm plots. On top of all the licenses and hassle with firearm hunting in new jerkistan...they got what they deserved. God you could go to assapink or stokes forrest and see nothing but a sea of orange through the woods...buckshot flying willy nilly. Have to continually escort those bennies off the private farm we hunted.
Where I used to hunt in NW PA the locals called all those high tech low brow hunters they encountered "pittsburghers"... and they did not mean it in a nice way. Since my family hunted there for some decades they always treated us good and referred to us as "flatlanders" and meant it affectionately. I miss weedville , St.Mary's , Berndale. They were some nice rustic places wit great locals..even Dent's Run...though the deer there were small and few and far between. Have'nt been there in almost a decade since dad passed.
Anyhow it really chaff's ones' arse to see how hunting is being jacked around by all those liberal doo gooders.... bethca they can't live without their fast food burgers and the like !.

A_Gamehog · December 22, 2010, 12:39 AM

IDAHO83501, I like the way you think. If only the Wolves could develope a "Taste" for Politicians!

December 21, 2010, 02:24 PM	#27
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	I don't know the exact details. I have talked to a number of people who are intimately involved, from street level law enforcement to the Cornell Biologist in charge of the neighboring hunting and sterilization research project (even sat through his little informational seminars for hunters), as well as a few (reasonable) people who live in Cayuga Heights. I only know that every conceivable method has been proposed and/or tried. They proposed the sniper thing, the capture and relocate thing, the bowhunting only thing, the sterilization thing..... The major problem, but by far not the only one, is Cayugadeer.org. The organization is run (or at least funded) by Mrs. Parks, who made her fortune via Park Outdoors, a billboard company. She lives there and is among the more radical of the radicals. They oppose every effort, except the ineffective ones like sterilization. Bowhunting, it seems, is especially dangerous to peoples pets, and children even. Frankly, the area is 1.8 square miles, according to wikipedia. I doubt it's big enough that anybody on the state level could give half a rodents rear-end. Nobody goes there except those who live there and it doesn't really cause problems for anybody but them so, in the end, who cares? Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley Last edited by Brian Pfleuger; December 21, 2010 at 02:36 PM.

December 21, 2010, 02:34 PM	#28
davlandrum Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Lane County Oregon Posts: 2,547	Maybe there is money to be made in building "brush guards" for BMWs and Mercedes..... Those big heavy duty ones that I have never seen outside of Texas.... __________________ U.S Army, Retired Ethics is knowing the difference between what you have a right to do and what is right to do. -Potter Stewart

December 21, 2010, 03:00 PM	#29
YARDDOG(1) Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: GATOR COUNTRY HA HA HA! Posts: 721	"[Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.]" That would be SWEET Y/D __________________ There's a GATOR in the bushes & She's Callin my name >Molly Hatchett<

December 22, 2010, 12:39 AM	#32
A_Gamehog Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2009 Location: Central Oregun Posts: 563	IDAHO83501, I like the way you think. If only the Wolves could develope a "Taste" for Politicians! __________________ "Happiness is knowing the Barred Owl is Eating the Spotted Owl and environmentalists are watching Nature take it's course"

December 21, 2010, 02:11 PM	#26
booker_t Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2009 Posts: 797	Hah.. understood. I'm sure "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" isn't a viable option. Did you try to go higher, petition the state legislators? Maybe get a lobbyist's ear and piggyback on some other piece of law?

December 22, 2010, 12:00 AM	#30
BfloBill Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Buffalo, N.Y. Posts: 457	Several towns over from me the Town of Amherst NY (suburb of Buffalo) is experimenting with nuisance permits for residents after going through all the crap that it sounds like you are going through right now. I don't have any specific info on it, but maybe if you did some research on what they are doing it will help. Many of the locals by me are blaming the auto insurance companies for introducing cyotes to control the deer population. Now they come strolling through my yard like they own it and my kids are afraid to play in the woods, which sucks because that was such a big part of my childhood. If I finally kill a couple this year I'll post pictures, they are not like some of the smaller varieties I've seen pictures of, they are closer in size to a small German Sheppard.

December 22, 2010, 12:37 AM	#31
gew98 Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Location: Rural bluegrass abode Posts: 70	Where I grew up in central New Jerkistan it was once a great place to hunt..some nice sized and plentiful bucks. But along came a wave of city dwelling types and realestate went through the roof. Houses and developements left and right. And wit these city dwellers came their ideas of living, and their crime too. It was not long before many of the big farms and woods were gone and when there were still great places to hunt and these city types had a cow seeing hunters they played politics and next thing you know 'no firearm discharge zones' were created...created with the intent to stop hunting and any recreational shooting on private property. The deer overpopulated , got smaller , caused considerably more auto accidents. And these same liberals next complained about those same starving deer hammering their precious beautiful gardens and mini farm plots. On top of all the licenses and hassle with firearm hunting in new jerkistan...they got what they deserved. God you could go to assapink or stokes forrest and see nothing but a sea of orange through the woods...buckshot flying willy nilly. Have to continually escort those bennies off the private farm we hunted. Where I used to hunt in NW PA the locals called all those high tech low brow hunters they encountered "pittsburghers"... and they did not mean it in a nice way. Since my family hunted there for some decades they always treated us good and referred to us as "flatlanders" and meant it affectionately. I miss weedville , St.Mary's , Berndale. They were some nice rustic places wit great locals..even Dent's Run...though the deer there were small and few and far between. Have'nt been there in almost a decade since dad passed. Anyhow it really chaff's ones' arse to see how hunting is being jacked around by all those liberal doo gooders.... bethca they can't live without their fast food burgers and the like !.