December 25, 2012, 12:10 AM | #26 |
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Don't go so thin you can't shoot the darn thing. Some of the latest crop are the size of a credit card and darn near useless over five yards.
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December 25, 2012, 04:55 AM | #27 |
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Don't discount the Taurus 709 Slim due to internet reviews. It's a fine little gun. I've fed several types of FMJ and hollow points of 4 different weights and shapes , including the 147's thru it without a single problem. It IS slim, and handles differently so you have to practice with it to get used to the way it shoots, but it's worth it, IMO. I love the little gun and never go anywhere without it. Rides in an ACE pocket holster in my back pocket. Doesn't print and I hardly know it's there.
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December 25, 2012, 09:02 AM | #28 |
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Another vote for the PM9/CM9.
Fantastic shooting little pistol. Long proven history. Still the smallest without big compromises. The trigger is hard to beat. I could go on and on.... And the icing is the CM9's price. |
December 25, 2012, 09:34 AM | #29 |
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chris in va, I haven't shot the Nano. I have shot the PM9 and MK9, PPS, and M&Pc (not Shield).
Forget 5 yards. If a shooter can't keep all or most shots between the 8s on a B27 at 25 yards, it is the shooter, not the gun. |
December 25, 2012, 09:58 AM | #30 |
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Maybe what Chris in VA meant also was that as these guns get smaller and lighter, the recoil makes good follow up shots almost impossible to do real quick. I experienced that myself with the XDS in .45.....darn thing flipped so bad it was 3-4 seconds between shots to get it all lined up again and do a reasonable group of shots. I fear that in a panic situation with something like that there would be bullets spraying everywhere.....
And that is exactly why I tell everyone that brings this subject up, the Glock 19 is the perfect carry gun, and I better preface that by saying IN MY OPINION. It's light, it's accurate, 2x the round holding capacity of these thin guns, it's bulletproof (gen 3) from a reliability standpoint, and follow up shots with it are a breeze even with stock Glock sights. |
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This is why I prefer the P7 over the PPS, the PPS over the MK9, and the MK9 over the PM9.
I don't pocket carry (except for my 442), and any of those hide easily IWB. The MK9's weight makes it easier for quick shooting than the PM9. The PPS with large backstrap fits my hand better than the Kahrs do. The P7 has good ergos for me, plus all-metal weight, plus a very low bore axis. Only downside to the P7 is that in extended range sessions, the trigger guard gets hot, enough to induce flinch (after 50 rounds or so; not a concern for SD, and if I want more trigger time at the range I alternate between guns). |
December 25, 2012, 12:11 PM | #32 |
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Are you familiar with a Makarov? A 9mm of a sort but not Parabellum, very thin, accurate and reliable. I switch carry pistols between a Mak and an HK P7. I like both.
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December 25, 2012, 02:51 PM | #33 |
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I've ones many subcompacts over the years. The shield is my all time favorite. I even have two of them now. Great gun.
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December 25, 2012, 03:41 PM | #34 |
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Thin 9MM
Take a look at the Sig P938. All metal, 1911 ergonomics, 1" thick, about 20 oz or so loaded.
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December 25, 2012, 03:49 PM | #35 |
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Give the ruger src9 a good look, nice thin manageable grips, good trigger (but I am not a trigger snob by any stretch) adjustable sights, different capacity carry options and not a micro carry gun, reasonably priced too IMO.
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December 25, 2012, 05:37 PM | #36 |
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PPS has been on the market for years and is one of the most respected handguns on all the internet gun forums.
(Do some Google research if you don't believe me. ) And for good reason, Walther hit it out of the park with this design. It's one of the finest production pistols in the world IMO. I've had one for four years, put every kind of 9mm ammo you can imagine through it with only a few hiccups after 3700 rds. The PPS has good ergos, balances well, points naturally is super accurate and easy to shoot well. If you need to save a few more dollars for one, do it.
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I chose the Kahr CM9 and have been pleased with it. Small enough for pocket carry. If that's not important, maybe the Kahr CW9 which is slightly larger. Nothing against any of the other pistols mentioned.
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December 25, 2012, 09:06 PM | #39 |
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Small 9mm's
Pocket carry 9mm's: Kel Tec PF9, Kahr PM9/CM9, or Kimber Solo. I own the PF9 and Solo and have had ZERO problems with either of them.
Barely pocket carry: Walther PPS, MP Shield. I prefer the PPS....great trigger and easily concealable (IWB) |
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If you can hit a target at 25 yards, you can hit it at 5 yards. The reverse may not be true. More accuracy is better.
Will you be "hung out to dry" over a 25 yard shooting? Depends on totality of circumstances. If the other actor has shown intent to harm, has a weapon that can do harm from 25 yards, and a safe lane of retreat is not a relatively sure thing, then shooting at 25 yards is justifiable in any US jurisdiction. |
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TeamJackson - Why are you ruling the PF-9 out? I notice you are trying to keep the cost down and the PF-9 seems to fit your criteria perfectly for being slim and low cost...
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December 26, 2012, 11:36 PM | #45 |
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Fit, finish, and size.
The CM9 is a bargain line, and is slightly longer and larger. |
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I've had a PM9 for a number of years... Excellent little gun. And I recently picked up a P938 Nightmare... Also an excellent little gun.
It's better to have a gun like this than none at all, but I would never consider these pocket nines to be adequate primary defense weapons. While better than nothing, there is nothing like a G19 or comparable weapon when the chips are down and you only have a handgun to see you through. Remember the reason you carry a gun.... to help you face up to the worst evil in your darkest hour; carry more gun/capacity whenever possible! If you have to pull a gun in self defense, you will be wishing, hoping, praying to have a highly shoot able gun with high capacity in reserve. You don't want to find yourself at slide lock (because carrying a very small gun was more 'convenient') when evil is in front of you and still reigning terror on you. |
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PPS or Kahr
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Correction to post 48
Sorry, I was thinking of the CW9, which is a half inch longer. CM9 is the same size as the PM9, but has the slide profile of a shorter CW9. Not sure if the CM9 will fit a tightly formed PM9 holster.
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Of the two (Nano and Shield), I'd pick the Shield - better trigger, better feel in the hand. As far as other alternatives mentioned here:
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The CM9 and the PM9 are the same size.
Others to consider would be the Boberg and Rohrbaugh |
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