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March 10, 2009, 02:20 PM | #1 |
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loading old 5.56 steelcore into 22-250
If I pull the bullets from old steel core surplus and put it into a 22-250 cartridge would that qualify as manufacturing armor piercing ammunition?
I was originally planning to do this, but I realized it may be illegal. |
March 10, 2009, 03:01 PM | #2 |
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See here: http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIG1.html
And here (page 14): http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pu...4/gen_info.pdf My understanding of the law is that it only applies to handgun rounds, so a rifle cartridge like 22-250 should be OK. That said, with guns like the Thompson Contender available in many rifle cartridges I'm not sure how that fits in. Last edited by C Philip; March 10, 2009 at 03:10 PM. Reason: Added another source |
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awesome. Thanks.
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Steel core ammo is not armor peircing.
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Are you talking about M855 or SS109 steel core penetrator ammo? That ammo is NOT armor piercing.
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March 11, 2009, 12:51 PM | #7 |
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I have some Ranger LE stuff. I believe it is the SS109, but it is not marked so.
You are correct in that it is a "penetrator" ammunition technically. I did not realize the AP limitations were for handguns only. Why is it I can not find any AP bullets to reload with? |
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Ok, so the BATFE has laid out technical specifications defining what armor piercing is. Technically(according to those specifications) ss109 is not. Does not change the fact it will turn body armor into swiss cheese.
How about my question as to why I can not find any bullets of this design? Would save me having to pull them all. |
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http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7237 http://www.rvow.com/surplus%20bullets.htm http://www.ammunitionstore.com/price...g_supplies.htm http://www.polygunbag.com/bullets.html http://www.hi-techammo.com/ Granted they are all out of stock, but they are carried. |
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March 11, 2009, 06:32 PM | #12 |
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Does anyones opinion change if this is M995?
My understanding is this is not the standard round issued to soldiers. I am not sure though. Like I said these are not labeled with military designation, in fact I have not opened the boxes yet. I have put M855 through steel fence posts, so it can definitely go through some steel and aluminum. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; March 11, 2009 at 06:38 PM. |
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My understanding is that the term "manufacturing" means a lot more than your casual reloader assembling a cartridge from components. Manufacturing is meant as a person or facility that creates the projectile to be used in the cartridge... making a penetrator, wrapping it in lead and then jacketing it.
I've seen TC's in .30-30 that have used projectiles from old WWII .30-06 blacktip AP. Still isn't manufacturing according to most folks I've asked about it. Just assembly from existing components. |
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I don't know if the same principle could be applied specifically to armor piercing, but reloading from used components can be considered to be manufacturing by the BATFE:
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Well, I think the end solution to this is I am going to pull one bullet and dremel it to see what is inside. If it is ss109 I am just shooting them in my CMP shoots this summer(out of my untuned 580 series mini-14 .) If it is tungsten I will just sit on them unless I someday find myself in that good ol' SHTF situation, in which case pulling the bullets and loading them in my 22-250 will have to be put on the to do list if there is time.
I did not pay over market price for SS109 for them, so maybe that is all they are. I was under the impression they were not and I was getting one heck of a deal on some surplus LE ammo, but maybe I am a sucker. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; March 12, 2009 at 01:09 PM. |
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Not sure where to find it in law....
But I believe it is not legal to sell "armor piercing ammuniton" to the public. You can buy the pulled military AP bullets, but loaded ammuntion, no.
So, if you bought the ammo from a reputable dealer, odds are in your favor the bullets do not meet the legal definition of armor piercing, no matter what they may be called. You can own AP ammo. You can shoot it (where allowed), but you cannot buy it, sell it, or even give it away, except to a licensed dealer. I could be in error, and if so, I hope some of our legal eagles here will correct me, (and give the reference), but I believe this is the law, currently.
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March 12, 2009, 02:50 PM | #18 |
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I bought it from one of the online dealers regularly mentioned on here. It was some time ago and I do not remember which but I am not concerned about my present situation being illegal. It was someone pretty well known and if they were publicly offering them illegally I think someone would take notice.
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The fight in Congress back in the days of the "Cop Killer Bullet" hysteria was what lead to the regs as they now are. As originally introduced, the bill would have banned all ammo capable of penetrating soft body armor vests. Kennedy was a big supporter. This bill would have outlawed virtually every single centerfire rifle cartridge, along with many pistol loadings. The NRA fought hard, but it was an uphill fight against considerable political pressure. Something was going to be passed. What the NRA got as a compromise was the law we have today, preserving nearly all common ammo, as falling outside the written definition of "armor piercing" as finally adopted. Not a real win, but a hell of a lot better than the loss we were facing had the bill been passed as originally proposed.
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Obviously Sticky isn't doing his job
it's not ok to post conspiracy theory threads in this section but this is ok? Anything related to GovCo should be allowed here even if it's not politically correct.
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