#1 buckshot loads using a full choke

[columbia_shotguneer]

To start this thread out, I'd like to mention that my uncle has much confidence with Winchester 3" #1 buck out of two of his hunting shotguns using a full choke. Claims of a good pattern inside 50 yards with #1 and #4 buck but chooses the #1 for better takedown of deer and small boar. I borrowed an old browning pump of my father's, 28" fixed full choke and I recently purchased a H&R pardner single-shot with a 32 in fixed full choke, also. Tried both out at 40 yards on a 20 inch cardboard box and the patterns were all over the place. some even hitting the dirt in front of the target. Tried aiming a bit higher with both and barely got some on the upper section of box! Note: My slightly older pardner with a mod choke throws a much uniform pattern all the way out to 50-60 yards. I have searched many threads and full choke has been a well recommended choke for #1 buck, is this nonsense? Thanks for any responses.

[mete]

"patterns all over the place " Are you talking about a pattern being very large or the point of aim changing from shot to shot?

[columbia_shotguneer]

When I shoot the #1 buck at 30-40 yards it throws the buckshot in the outer perimeter of the target(full chokes), maybe one or two pellets are seen 6-8 in. of the center. Good point suggesting it could be (my) point of aim or how the (shotguns) might be off the center point of aim but I had a steady benchrest and multiple shots to see where I'm holding it. Thanks so much for your reply.

[LSnSC]

Ive always had better luck with a modified choke and buckshot. Try loads with a lower pellet count and see if the patterns improve. When you push alot of big pellets through a full choke some can be deformed causing flyers.
If you have a fixed choke the only option is less or smaller pellets.
Also I dont know how big your target is but we use a paper plate for a target. Thats the approximate size of a deers vitals.

[hogdogs]

Many factors to consider. Not the least of which is pellet construction materials. Is the alloy is a harder one or is it "dead soft" lead?

In dead soft, the distortion to the pellets could make many into "fliers".

Another thing to remember, ammo will behave differently gun to gun and some guns shoot some ammo better than others.

A full choke in one gun will measure different than a full from a gun of different or even same maker.

Brent

[C0untZer0]

Wow - I finally found someone who uses #1 Buck for hunting hogs....

There was half a thread that asked about this and most people posted "No".


Here is the half of the thread - it's about hog loads in general but also #1 and #0 Buck...

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451543

Does your uncle go for headshots on the hogs using #1 Buck ?
I am wondering if anyone has success with it for shoulder shots.

[Old Grump]

In my experience with full choke and anything larger than #3 birdshot gives me large irregular patterns but I only have two guns with full chokes so your mileage may vary. IM works best for me.

[columbia_shotguneer]

Same here OG, my full choke H&R only seems to like #4 buck. Haven't tested any birdshot in it as of yet. Zero, my uncle only hunts domesticated breeds of hogs(thinner shields) that are now wild.

[columbia_shotguneer]

Hogdogs, All I know is my full choke H&R cant quite fit a dime down the muzzle.

[hogdogs]

Zero, my uncle only hunts domesticated breeds of hogs(thinner shields) that are now wild.

Only takes a few generations and physical traits begin to change in feral hog breeds.

And in your area you have the spanish hogs from the 1500's, feral Hampshire, Duroc, yorkshire a few other domestic breeds and some russian influence. So unless yer uncle is tracking down lost ear tagged hogs from the non-existant hog farms, he is huntin' the same hogs I hunted and trapped and a Hampshire belted colored hog (Hampshires were designed to be THE thin skinned breed) could easily sport the same 2.5 inch shield as a russian colored hog.

He is free to use what he wishes but those ferals have, for the most part, been feral and in/out/cross breeding since the late 1980's at the worst pork price collapse where price to the farmer went as low as $.08lb. That was when the last pork producers in that area closed the doors and sold off to land developers at the begginning of that massive fla growth spurt.

Brent

[C0untZer0]

It sounds like #1 Buck in your uncle's gun patterns much differently.

I would think that if you're throwing a 7" pattern at a hog - if you're going for a head shot you're just hoping to luck out and one of those pellets gets him in the brain pan, and if your doing a shoulder shot - I think you'd just be hoping to tear em up enough that the hog doesn't run too far.

It must work for your uncle because he is taking down game right?

The next thing I would do - I would actually check bore diameters with a bore gauge.

[C0untZer0]

http://www.shotguncombogauge.com/multiboregauge.html

[columbia_shotguneer]

Hogdogs, That's some great info on hogs, I just figured that the spotted hogs he kills are thinner shield never thought of them as being feral. Zero, I may look in to buying a measuring tool. In all I am steering away from #1 buck, at least in a full choke, maybe use a modified.

[columbia_shotguneer]

BTW, can some one also help me with quotes? I dont see how to do this.

[hogdogs]

The red pigs are duroc genes, the white pigs likely have yorkshire type genes, white shoulder belt is your hampshire genes. The spotted hogs are a mix. But a cool lookin' pig is the one we call Blue colored. when you get one with strong russian/eurasian genes... you will know it...

BTW, can some one also help me with quotes? I dont see how to do this.

Easy... I copy the portion from a post I want to quote...
Then in the reply box you type in, you will see this...

Click it and you get [ quote][ /quote] Click in center tween the two and you have a blinking cursor there. Now just right click and choose paste.

If you wish to break down the section to address it in a separated way...

BTW, can some one also help me with quotes?

"Cut" the section you DO NOT want in the first quote from the area tween the quote brackets and...

I dont see how to do this.

hit the quote symbol again and when cursor is there hit paste again...

Via PM I can get you squared away further if needed as PM box works that way too...

Brent

[hogdogs]

As for shot size, I would only use 00 buck if that was all I could get. I would prefer slugs though.

I would never intentionally hunt hogs with less than 00 buck but I cannot stress enuff that the single blob of lead weighed in ounces rather than grains gives me much comfort.

Brent

[columbia_shotguneer]

[QUOTE][As for shot size, I would only use 00 buck if that was all I could get. I would prefer slugs though.
/QUOTE] I am picking up some 000 buck tomorrow from a local store to try patterning. In the past 00 buck has patterned well in modified chokes I've tried, maybe 000 buck will too. Also, thanks for the tutorial on quoting, Hogdogs.

[hogdogs]

[QUOTE]

[As for shot size, I would only use 00 buck if that was all I could get. I would prefer slugs though.
/QUOTE]

You didn't have the cursor in the right spot... note the misplaced "["...
Brent

[columbia_shotguneer]

[QUOTE]ok[QUOTE]

[hogdogs]

The little bubble image works but in this case you are missing the "/" it will look like this... [quote ] [/quote ] I added a space after the "e" of each or you might get an empty quote box...
Lets see...

nope... you just won't see the code.

But this isn't the place to practice. Sending PM's to me is fine or just tinker with it in this forum section...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=32
Brent

[C0untZer0]

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...40#post4617840

[columbia_shotguneer]

Ok I got it I think, haha need to highlite!

hehe

[columbia_shotguneer]

Anyway I shot some 000 buck(federal 2 3/4's) this morning when the sun got up, thank goodness walmart was open. It patterned good up to 30 yards in a 20 inch box. Do alot of you men target/pattern buckshot for fun like me?

[hogdogs]

Everyone needs to pattern the shell thru the gun they intend to hunt with. No sense goin' out there and not bein' able to hit the broad side of a barn while standing inside it...

If it is recoil you mean... One reason I never bought into the UBER AWESOME 3 1/2's or .300 win mag or other heavy hitters is I thought it was silly of me to spend that kind of loot on ammo and practice with it and get banged around doin' it... If I wanted that, I would find it far more fun to out to a bar, drink $50 bucks worth of fine hills made bourbon and go lip off to the biggest bugger in the joint... Same results...

In my younger days one of my biker buddies had a gal that loved to shoot my dads legal length sawed off single shot... Most of the guys would quit after one shot and she wanted to shoot it again and often. When asked she said... "I LOVE THE WAY IT KICKS"... So the next time they came over, I had 4 boxes of clearance shelf 3 inch HOT (for the times anyway) TURKEY LOADS!!! I said "Dear, these are for you, they will kick like a mule, shoot as many or as few as you want.
A little later, as I was off shooting elsewhere, she walks up and asked if I had any more in the house 'cuz she ran out This 90 or so pound gal had run out of an ammo I wouldn't care to shoot more than a magload of in a 8-10 pound gun and that sawed off was far less than 8.
Brent

[columbia_shotguneer]

I'm a little guy myself 140 lbs and both my H&R's kick like mule driven tractor lol. I messed up buying a medium size slip-on limbsaver and it slips to the side alot on recoil, a small would have been ideal.