Win 1895 History

mete · March 30, 2010, 08:06 PM

Watching a Kurosawa movie filmed in Russia. While the men carried bolt action rifles the officer carried a Win 1895. Was the '95 ever used by the Russian army ?

Jim Watson · March 30, 2010, 08:20 PM

Yes, many, even a majority of Winchester '95s were in 7.62x54R for Russian sales.

Neruda · March 30, 2010, 08:22 PM

Yes, it was chambered for 7.62x54R Russian ammo. There's a photo of one at http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl25-e.htm

mete · March 30, 2010, 09:20 PM

Thanks. The movie is "Dersu Uzala" the only movie Kurosawa made outside Japan .It takes place around the Ussuri river where the Sino-Soviet war was fought. An excellent movie about a surveying crew and a 'mountain man' which is showing on TCM channel.

**Mike Irwin** · March 30, 2010, 10:44 PM

Roughly 66% of all Winchester Model 1895s made were made on contract order for the Czarist Russian armies.

Virtually all ordered guns were sent to Russia before the revolution (maybe a few hundred didn't go), so they are VERY rare here in the United States.

There was a thread here a few days ago about a Russian 1895 for sale.

Gunplummer · March 30, 2010, 11:34 PM

Isn't someone reproducing them? I thought I saw new ones at a gun show last year. Color cased receivers on them, if I am thinking of the same model. I could be wrong, I really don't pay attention to Winchester lever guns anymore. Not that I don't like them, I just have other interests right now.

mete · March 31, 2010, 05:20 AM

http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...15C&mid=534070
Various models are available but none other than 30-40, 30-06, 405.

Steven Mace · March 31, 2010, 05:29 AM

Winchester began reproducing the 1895 in 2001. But none in 7.62 Russian.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...sp?family=015C

Steve Mace

Gunplummer · March 31, 2010, 06:46 PM

Probably still a lot less expensive to rebarrel one of those new rifles than to find an original, although they did not look cheap.

James K · March 31, 2010, 08:28 PM

There were 293,000 (66% of total production) made under the Russian contract; all or almost all made it to Russia, which is why that caliber is rare in the U.S. The Russian model has a bridge type clip guide made for the standard M-N clip.

Jim

**Mike Irwin** · April 1, 2010, 12:07 AM

"66% of total production"

There seems to be an echo in here...

kraigwy · April 1, 2010, 10:15 AM

Russians ordered Model 95s in the 7.62 rim Russian round. After the revolution the communist refuse to accept future deliveries of a capitalist rifle.

Several years ago, (forgot what mag.) I read about a guy who bought two un-openned cases of those model 95s.

One he broke open and sold the individual rifles which covered his expenses and made a few bucks.

The Second case, he cut the top out of the crate, pealed back the packing, exposing the rifles. He put a chunk of glass on the case, polished it up and made a coffee table. The article had pictures, it really looked nice.

Quite the conversation piece.

March 30, 2010, 08:06 PM	#1
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Win 1895 History Watching a Kurosawa movie filmed in Russia. While the men carried bolt action rifles the officer carried a Win 1895. Was the '95 ever used by the Russian army ?

March 30, 2010, 10:44 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Roughly 66% of all Winchester Model 1895s made were made on contract order for the Czarist Russian armies. Virtually all ordered guns were sent to Russia before the revolution (maybe a few hundred didn't go), so they are VERY rare here in the United States. There was a thread here a few days ago about a Russian 1895 for sale. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 31, 2010, 05:29 AM	#8
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	Winchester began reproducing the 1895 in 2001. But none in 7.62 Russian. http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...sp?family=015C Steve Mace __________________ After today, its all historical

March 31, 2010, 08:28 PM	#10
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There were 293,000 (66% of total production) made under the Russian contract; all or almost all made it to Russia, which is why that caliber is rare in the U.S. The Russian model has a bridge type clip guide made for the standard M-N clip. Jim Last edited by James K; March 31, 2010 at 08:33 PM.

April 1, 2010, 12:07 AM	#11
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	"66% of total production" There seems to be an echo in here... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

March 30, 2010, 08:20 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Yes, many, even a majority of Winchester '95s were in 7.62x54R for Russian sales.

March 30, 2010, 08:22 PM	#3
Neruda Member Join Date: February 28, 2006 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 79	Yes, it was chambered for 7.62x54R Russian ammo. There's a photo of one at http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl25-e.htm

March 30, 2010, 09:20 PM	#4
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Thanks. The movie is "Dersu Uzala" the only movie Kurosawa made outside Japan .It takes place around the Ussuri river where the Sino-Soviet war was fought. An excellent movie about a surveying crew and a 'mountain man' which is showing on TCM channel.

March 30, 2010, 11:34 PM	#6
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	Isn't someone reproducing them? I thought I saw new ones at a gun show last year. Color cased receivers on them, if I am thinking of the same model. I could be wrong, I really don't pay attention to Winchester lever guns anymore. Not that I don't like them, I just have other interests right now.

March 31, 2010, 05:20 AM	#7
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...15C&mid=534070 Various models are available but none other than 30-40, 30-06, 405.

March 31, 2010, 06:46 PM	#9
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	Probably still a lot less expensive to rebarrel one of those new rifles than to find an original, although they did not look cheap.

April 1, 2010, 10:15 AM	#12
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Russians ordered Model 95s in the 7.62 rim Russian round. After the revolution the communist refuse to accept future deliveries of a capitalist rifle. Several years ago, (forgot what mag.) I read about a guy who bought two un-openned cases of those model 95s. One he broke open and sold the individual rifles which covered his expenses and made a few bucks. The Second case, he cut the top out of the crate, pealed back the packing, exposing the rifles. He put a chunk of glass on the case, polished it up and made a coffee table. The article had pictures, it really looked nice. Quite the conversation piece. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

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