Lee Enfield Bolt - Page 2

gyvel · July 26, 2014, 08:34 AM

Except the 600 carbine has a reverse dog leg bolt handle, no?

wogpotter · July 26, 2014, 04:13 PM

yep.

tahunua001 · July 26, 2014, 04:42 PM

true but note that it drops the bolt knob right behind the trigger just as the P14 and M1917s do.

wogpotter · July 27, 2014, 07:27 AM

Exactly!
Its the relationship between bolt knob & trigger that works, not how you get there.

gyvel · July 30, 2014, 12:07 AM

Quote:

the cartridge and rifling was developed by a fellow , William Ellis Metford

Nope. The .303 cartridge, believe it or not, was developed by the Swiss Major (later Colonel) Eduard Rubin, of Schmidt-Rubin fame.

Additionally, there is no evidence that James P. Lee's application for U.S. citizenship was ever been finalized.

**Mike Irwin** · July 30, 2014, 07:41 AM

"Nope. The .303 cartridge, believe it or not, was developed by the Swiss Major (later Colonel) Eduard Rubin, of Schmidt-Rubin fame."

No, not really. Rubin developed a prototype rimless cartridge that was sort of similar to the .303, but it wasn't bottlenecked.

The British obtained a bunch of Rubin cartridges for testing. In practice, it turned out to be both impractical and dangerous.

From that point on, it was all British development leading to the .303 adopted in 1889.

See here for more information.

https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/-303-inch

Colt46 · July 30, 2014, 09:01 AM

But, the OP's photo of that absolutely mint #1 seems way too perfect for a military grade weapon. Are there any such beasts? What would the story have been with them?

**44 AMP** · July 30, 2014, 09:57 AM

AS far as I know, the Rem 600 series is long gone from production. They did, however recently (a few years ago) produce the 673, which had a metal vent rib, a similar front sight (not identical to the 600 but a similar "shark fin" shape). The 673 has a regular bolt handle. .350 Rem Mag (and maybe 6.5Rem mag, although I never saw one in the smaller caliber).

Never heard of a 600 style rifle in .308 as even a limited new production gun.

If you want a 600 class rifle in .308, get a Model 7. Close to the same thing, without the rib, dogleg bolt and with a different stock. (OK, the action is not identical to the 600 series, either. But its close.

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wogpotter · July 30, 2014, 09:59 AM

They exist.
I have a pair of really nice rifles, a No4 Mk2 & a No5 Mk1.
The No4 was stored & never issued till I got my grubby paws on it so it looks cherry.

All it did for 50 years was lay in a cocoon of brown paper & cosmolene.

No1's were made by Australia up through the 60's IIRC so its quite possible to find a mint condition one.

**Mike Irwin** · July 30, 2014, 10:17 AM

According to what I'm finding, the 600 and the 660 came (not sure if all were available in both) in:

.222 Remington
.223 Remington
6mm Remington
6.5 Rem. Mag.
.243 Win.
.308 Win.
.35 Remington
.350 Remington Mag.

A friend of mine had a .350. It was pretty brutal to shoot with full power loads, but he handloaded it back to between .35 Rem and .358 Win. and took a LOT of deer with it.

tahunua001 · July 30, 2014, 01:12 PM

according to wiki, and that's about as reliable as a mexican translator in spain. the 600 and derivatives was offered in 308. I've seen them in 243 and don't see why they would have offered one and not the other, same case, bolt face, mag, etc.

**Mike Irwin** · July 30, 2014, 01:20 PM

Well, I know for a fact that the Mohawk was available in .308, because my minister in Pennsylvania had one.

Remington confirms it here:

http://www.remington.com/products/ar...ohawk-600.aspx

**Mike Irwin** · July 30, 2014, 01:22 PM

And this confirms the total list of cartridges available for the 600:

http://www.remington.com/products/ar...0-carbine.aspx

And this takes care of the 660:

http://www.remington.com/products/ar...model-660.aspx

I'll be damned. Wikipedia was.... RIGHT!

**Mike Irwin** · July 30, 2014, 01:24 PM

God they were ugly little rifles.

A friend a few years ago gave me his cousin's deer rifle, a Remington 722 in .300 Savage.

It was obvious that whomever had had it wanted to emulate a 600/660.

The barrel has been chopped to about 18-20 inches, and it has the freaking ugliest Bishop stock I have ever seen on it.

Replacing the stock would be a good idea no matter what, but I already have a 722 with a full length barrel and the correct stock.

wogpotter · July 30, 2014, 01:55 PM

Proof that beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I always liked the "odddball" look of the 600/660 series.

**44 AMP** · July 30, 2014, 10:34 PM

I have some of the 600 series rifles, .222, .243 (Mohawk), 6mm, .308, and .350 Mag.

The .223 is really rare, and 98% of the .223 model 600s are rechambered .222s. Last time I saw the factory original .223s were in the neighborhood of 5 grand ($5000)

One of the 6.5s is on my wish list, and maybe, someday....

I think the only way I'll ever find one of the .35s is if it happens to fall in my lap.

Lots of folks thought they were ugly, I always thought they look cool. Excellent guns if you carry one a lot, and only shoot a little at a time.

tahunua001 · July 30, 2014, 11:49 PM

some member here posted a picture of his 600 in a quilted maple, thumbhole mannlicher stock... the goofiest sounding concept I've ever heard of, but it was one of the neatest looking rifles I've ever laid eyes on.

July 26, 2014, 04:13 PM	#27
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	yep. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

July 26, 2014, 04:42 PM	#28
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	true but note that it drops the bolt knob right behind the trigger just as the P14 and M1917s do. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 27, 2014, 07:27 AM	#29
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Exactly! Its the relationship between bolt knob & trigger that works, not how you get there. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

July 30, 2014, 07:41 AM	#31
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"Nope. The .303 cartridge, believe it or not, was developed by the Swiss Major (later Colonel) Eduard Rubin, of Schmidt-Rubin fame." No, not really. Rubin developed a prototype rimless cartridge that was sort of similar to the .303, but it wasn't bottlenecked. The British obtained a bunch of Rubin cartridges for testing. In practice, it turned out to be both impractical and dangerous. From that point on, it was all British development leading to the .303 adopted in 1889. See here for more information. https://sites.google.com/site/britmilammo/-303-inch __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 30, 2014, 09:01 AM	#32
Colt46 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: Campbell Ca Posts: 1,090	Can't add much But, the OP's photo of that absolutely mint #1 seems way too perfect for a military grade weapon. Are there any such beasts? What would the story have been with them?

July 26, 2014, 08:34 AM	#26
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Except the 600 carbine has a reverse dog leg bolt handle, no?

July 30, 2014, 09:57 AM	#33
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,846	AS far as I know, the Rem 600 series is long gone from production. They did, however recently (a few years ago) produce the 673, which had a metal vent rib, a similar front sight (not identical to the 600 but a similar "shark fin" shape). The 673 has a regular bolt handle. .350 Rem Mag (and maybe 6.5Rem mag, although I never saw one in the smaller caliber). Never heard of a 600 style rifle in .308 as even a limited new production gun. If you want a 600 class rifle in .308, get a Model 7. Close to the same thing, without the rib, dogleg bolt and with a different stock. (OK, the action is not identical to the 600 series, either. But its close.) __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

July 30, 2014, 09:59 AM	#34
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	They exist. I have a pair of really nice rifles, a No4 Mk2 & a No5 Mk1. The No4 was stored & never issued till I got my grubby paws on it so it looks cherry. All it did for 50 years was lay in a cocoon of brown paper & cosmolene. No1's were made by Australia up through the 60's IIRC so its quite possible to find a mint condition one. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

July 30, 2014, 10:17 AM	#35
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	According to what I'm finding, the 600 and the 660 came (not sure if all were available in both) in: .222 Remington .223 Remington 6mm Remington 6.5 Rem. Mag. .243 Win. .308 Win. .35 Remington .350 Remington Mag. A friend of mine had a .350. It was pretty brutal to shoot with full power loads, but he handloaded it back to between .35 Rem and .358 Win. and took a LOT of deer with it. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 30, 2014, 01:12 PM	#36
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	according to wiki, and that's about as reliable as a mexican translator in spain. the 600 and derivatives was offered in 308. I've seen them in 243 and don't see why they would have offered one and not the other, same case, bolt face, mag, etc. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

July 30, 2014, 01:20 PM	#37
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Well, I know for a fact that the Mohawk was available in .308, because my minister in Pennsylvania had one. Remington confirms it here: http://www.remington.com/products/ar...ohawk-600.aspx __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 30, 2014, 01:22 PM	#38
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	And this confirms the total list of cartridges available for the 600: http://www.remington.com/products/ar...0-carbine.aspx And this takes care of the 660: http://www.remington.com/products/ar...model-660.aspx I'll be damned. Wikipedia was.... RIGHT! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 30, 2014, 01:24 PM	#39
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	God they were ugly little rifles. A friend a few years ago gave me his cousin's deer rifle, a Remington 722 in .300 Savage. It was obvious that whomever had had it wanted to emulate a 600/660. The barrel has been chopped to about 18-20 inches, and it has the freaking ugliest Bishop stock I have ever seen on it. Replacing the stock would be a good idea no matter what, but I already have a 722 with a full length barrel and the correct stock. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 30, 2014, 01:55 PM	#40
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Proof that beauty is in the eye of the beholder! I always liked the "odddball" look of the 600/660 series. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.” Last edited by wogpotter; July 31, 2014 at 06:58 AM.

July 30, 2014, 10:34 PM	#41
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,846	I have some of the 600 series rifles, .222, .243 (Mohawk), 6mm, .308, and .350 Mag. The .223 is really rare, and 98% of the .223 model 600s are rechambered .222s. Last time I saw the factory original .223s were in the neighborhood of 5 grand ($5000) One of the 6.5s is on my wish list, and maybe, someday.... I think the only way I'll ever find one of the .35s is if it happens to fall in my lap. Lots of folks thought they were ugly, I always thought they look cool. Excellent guns if you carry one a lot, and only shoot a little at a time. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

July 30, 2014, 11:49 PM	#42
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	some member here posted a picture of his 600 in a quilted maple, thumbhole mannlicher stock... the goofiest sounding concept I've ever heard of, but it was one of the neatest looking rifles I've ever laid eyes on. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin