No more complaining

Mark54g · May 11, 2005, 10:49 PM

about how you can't find clothes to carry. If he can do this, you can carry a handgun

http://www.bangedup.com/bu_posts/demohi22dfg3e4t3tr.wmv

I would not recommend visiting the webpage at work as most of the content is NOT work safe

Hardtarget · May 11, 2005, 10:54 PM

Two knives and ten guns. Some of them were pretty big. I thought the shotgun was a nice touch.
Mark.

ATW525 · May 11, 2005, 10:56 PM

If he could walk with the shotgun like that I would be impressed.

yorec · May 11, 2005, 11:16 PM

I'm NOT impressed with the message. They figure 'cause the kid stuffed a shotgun in one pantleg that people would believe there are students doing this at school and thus justify thier policy? A crock o' $%@^, I say.

BatmanX · May 12, 2005, 07:42 AM

If that kid took 10 steps, all the guns would be on the ground.
No holsters all carried mexican style.
Looks like maybe there was 4? taken out of pockets?

Ridiculous.
That message portrays the wrong message!

Trip20 · May 12, 2005, 08:09 AM

I posted this video a week ago: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169760

"Closed" for not being "firearm related".......

yorec · May 12, 2005, 01:07 PM

Trip20, when you posted it the discussion devolved into a "school uniforms" issue. Because it did so, aparently someone failed to see the other issues and used his Modhammer...

Should have concentrated on the videos anti- propoganda, what this teaches our kids, how firearms are perceived in school, carry options, identifying the guns the kid pulled out, or any of a dozen other gun related angles... Agreed it should have went that way, but did not. This time it did - participate and be glad the subject was brought back to be discussed - what's going on in our schools in the way of gun demonization is shocking!

Twycross · May 12, 2005, 01:54 PM

The first time that kid sits down at his desk the SG and MP will be there for all to see. And I would bet just about anything that he will have to stop, bend down, and pick up a pistol off the floor every two minutes just walking around. Its hard enough to carry one gun mexican style, let alone half a dozen. And the SG would make him walk like Frankenstien's monster, even in the unlikely scenario that it stays up. This is hardly "concealed carry".

Netzapper · May 12, 2005, 01:57 PM

I first saw that in Bowling for Columbine (yes, I watched it; and, despite what most people here think about Moore, it really wasn't thoughtless anti-gun propaganda).

I am in agreement with people here who point out that the video doesn't do anything but imply that kids are carrying that many weapons. As mentioned, there's no way that guy could have walked very far like that without spilling fifteen pounds of steel on the ground.

Even if we argue the original poster's point, that this "prooves" that people can conceal whatever weapon they want to carry... that's true, but when I carry (doing the papework currently), I have every intention of doing my regular day-to-day stuff. You know, like sitting at computers, digging cigarettes out of my pocket, shaking hands with people, tying my shoes, etc. Throughout all of this, I do not want my weapon to print or show. There's a difference between hiding any number of guns for fifteen seconds, and trying to hide one all day, every day.

For me, the only place I can conceal a full-size firearm is the small of my back. Sure, I could wear a trenchcoat, and strap weapons to every square inch of my body. But, my intention isn't to assault a school building, but rather to protect myself.

Trip20 · May 12, 2005, 02:18 PM

yorec - no need for reproach, my friend.

It was moved to the political forum for some reason. I was trying to compare the propaganda (i.e. video of student concealing an arsenal) to what is proposed in the video (i.e. school uniforms = no one will be shot in school).

Certainly worthy of discussion in TFL. And yes I'm glad it has been brought back to be discussed - even if it's to discuss clothes to wear for carry - and completely ignore the propaganda side of things (that is until yourself and BatmanX so perceptively chimed in and pointed out the ridiculousness).

Mark54g · May 12, 2005, 02:29 PM

was purely on the humor of such an absurd assumption. I wonder how long it took to get him to the desk to unload his cache of weapons and if he had to have it all shoved in while he was there or if he walked from the doorway.
I also was poking a little playful fun at people who want a hand cannon hidden in a pair of shorts without printing.

Netzapper · May 12, 2005, 03:27 PM

Ah. Well, if the intention was humor, you won on that one. Movie magic.

BatmanX · May 12, 2005, 04:37 PM

I would be interested in the "proper" attire the voice over is talking about.
I am sure you could fit just as many guns in ANY ATTIRE the way that kid was doing it. It looks as if the SG is resting the barrel on the floor! hhehahaha

The whole thing is laughable, but I am sure the kid could hide any number of guns in any outfit, by just standing there and shoving them in his shirt like this video showed.

I mean come on!@ The sheer weight ALONE of the SG and Mac.

Bullrock · May 12, 2005, 05:55 PM

Quote:

"Closed" for not being "firearm related".......

Holy s**t! What were those gizmo's that kid was pulling out of his pants, and laying on the table?

Must have been his steel underwear...

Trip20 · May 12, 2005, 10:30 PM

LMAO Bullrock. I will respectfully disgree with you.

(because they may be watching and I do not want to get caught)

But yeah, I thought it was just as obvious.

sarmstrong806 · May 12, 2005, 10:41 PM

It does seem ridiculous because you could just as easily hide some of those guns with a tucked in shirt. Most likely if a school has that big of a problem they have metal detectors and clear backpacks.

Certain clothes would make it easier to identify that you had 10 hand guns and a shotgun in your pants, but I doubt everyone is carrying that.

Mainly I think it was done for shock value to support what was trying to be accomplished by the school board.

ATW525 · May 12, 2005, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Most likely if a school has that big of a problem they have metal detectors and clear backpacks.

Exactly. The real point of the video is to sell metal detectors to schools, if I'm not mistaken. At least that's the best of my recollection from the description of the clip when it appears in Bowling.

sterno · May 13, 2005, 08:49 AM

The beginning of the video is chopped off. It shows a woman walking and talking about how baggy clothes make it possible to conceal anything and that's why you should buy this company's metal detectors.

BatmanX · May 13, 2005, 08:56 AM

Really? It talks about metal detectors?
I can't watch it here at work, but I thought the lady said something to the affect of "we should" or "our school" wants unifroms. Or something to that affect. I assumed she was an administrator at the school.

ATW525 · May 13, 2005, 09:20 AM

No, she works for a company selling metal detectors. I think the idea is they send this video out (which is significantly longer than what we see here) and it has tips for increasing school security through ideas like dress codes, while at the same time working up paranoia about what students might be carrying to class. I think the company in question might also offer appropriate training and other security consulting services on top of the metal detectors, as well.

big daddy 9mm · May 25, 2005, 08:52 AM

I agree, that kid would have to move only 3 feet to have his aresonal on the floor. no matter what you restrict. people will always find ways around it good and bad. they rifled shot guns illegal so what we did we do, we made rifled slugs. and the list goes on. they could make those kids come tp school naked and they would just shove a pistle up their ass. you guys are right. that was retarded!!

THE MORE LAW ABIDING PEOPLE CARRY GUNS THE SAFER WE WILL ALL BE!!!!

May 11, 2005, 10:49 PM	#1
Mark54g Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,265	No more complaining about how you can't find clothes to carry. If he can do this, you can carry a handgun http://www.bangedup.com/bu_posts/demohi22dfg3e4t3tr.wmv I would not recommend visiting the webpage at work as most of the content is NOT work safe

May 11, 2005, 10:54 PM	#2
Hardtarget Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: Nashville, Tn. Posts: 683	Two knives and ten guns. Some of them were pretty big. I thought the shotgun was a nice touch. Mark. __________________ ...even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while.

May 11, 2005, 11:16 PM	#4
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	I'm NOT impressed with the message. They figure 'cause the kid stuffed a shotgun in one pantleg that people would believe there are students doing this at school and thus justify thier policy? A crock o' $%@^, I say. __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?

May 12, 2005, 07:42 AM	#5
BatmanX Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 266	If that kid took 10 steps, all the guns would be on the ground. No holsters all carried mexican style. Looks like maybe there was 4? taken out of pockets? Ridiculous. That message portrays the wrong message! __________________ NRA Life Member Current shopping list: Bersa Thunder 9mm CZ SP01 Current Ownage: CZ-P01 Bersa .380 (Duo tone) Kel Tec P3AT (SG) Stoeger 2000 (black syn.) 26" Winchester Model 97 12 gauge FULL Marlin Firearms Model 60 22LR

May 12, 2005, 01:07 PM	#7
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	Trip20, when you posted it the discussion devolved into a "school uniforms" issue. Because it did so, aparently someone failed to see the other issues and used his Modhammer... Should have concentrated on the videos anti- propoganda, what this teaches our kids, how firearms are perceived in school, carry options, identifying the guns the kid pulled out, or any of a dozen other gun related angles... Agreed it should have went that way, but did not. This time it did - participate and be glad the subject was brought back to be discussed - what's going on in our schools in the way of gun demonization is shocking! __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?

May 11, 2005, 10:56 PM	#3
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	If he could walk with the shotgun like that I would be impressed.

May 12, 2005, 08:09 AM	#6
Trip20 Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 2,181	I posted this video a week ago: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169760 "Closed" for not being "firearm related".......

May 12, 2005, 01:54 PM	#8
Twycross Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,187	The first time that kid sits down at his desk the SG and MP will be there for all to see. And I would bet just about anything that he will have to stop, bend down, and pick up a pistol off the floor every two minutes just walking around. Its hard enough to carry one gun mexican style, let alone half a dozen. And the SG would make him walk like Frankenstien's monster, even in the unlikely scenario that it stays up. This is hardly "concealed carry". __________________ The test of character is not 'hanging in' when you expect light at the end of the tunnel, but performance of duty, and persistence of example when you know no light is coming. - Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN (ret.)

May 12, 2005, 01:57 PM	#9
Netzapper Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2005 Location: Gilpin county, CO Posts: 261	I first saw that in Bowling for Columbine (yes, I watched it; and, despite what most people here think about Moore, it really wasn't thoughtless anti-gun propaganda). I am in agreement with people here who point out that the video doesn't do anything but imply that kids are carrying that many weapons. As mentioned, there's no way that guy could have walked very far like that without spilling fifteen pounds of steel on the ground. Even if we argue the original poster's point, that this "prooves" that people can conceal whatever weapon they want to carry... that's true, but when I carry (doing the papework currently), I have every intention of doing my regular day-to-day stuff. You know, like sitting at computers, digging cigarettes out of my pocket, shaking hands with people, tying my shoes, etc. Throughout all of this, I do not want my weapon to print or show. There's a difference between hiding any number of guns for fifteen seconds, and trying to hide one all day, every day. For me, the only place I can conceal a full-size firearm is the small of my back. Sure, I could wear a trenchcoat, and strap weapons to every square inch of my body. But, my intention isn't to assault a school building, but rather to protect myself.

May 12, 2005, 02:18 PM	#10
Trip20 Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 2,181	yorec - no need for reproach, my friend. It was moved to the political forum for some reason. I was trying to compare the propaganda (i.e. video of student concealing an arsenal) to what is proposed in the video (i.e. school uniforms = no one will be shot in school). Certainly worthy of discussion in TFL. And yes I'm glad it has been brought back to be discussed - even if it's to discuss clothes to wear for carry - and completely ignore the propaganda side of things (that is until yourself and BatmanX so perceptively chimed in and pointed out the ridiculousness).

May 12, 2005, 02:29 PM	#11
Mark54g Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,265	My intent was purely on the humor of such an absurd assumption. I wonder how long it took to get him to the desk to unload his cache of weapons and if he had to have it all shoved in while he was there or if he walked from the doorway. I also was poking a little playful fun at people who want a hand cannon hidden in a pair of shorts without printing.

May 12, 2005, 03:27 PM	#12
Netzapper Senior Member Join Date: April 1, 2005 Location: Gilpin county, CO Posts: 261	Ah. Well, if the intention was humor, you won on that one. Movie magic.

May 12, 2005, 04:37 PM	#13
BatmanX Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 266	Wait a minute!!!! I would be interested in the "proper" attire the voice over is talking about. I am sure you could fit just as many guns in ANY ATTIRE the way that kid was doing it. It looks as if the SG is resting the barrel on the floor! hhehahaha The whole thing is laughable, but I am sure the kid could hide any number of guns in any outfit, by just standing there and shoving them in his shirt like this video showed. I mean come on!@ The sheer weight ALONE of the SG and Mac. __________________ NRA Life Member Current shopping list: Bersa Thunder 9mm CZ SP01 Current Ownage: CZ-P01 Bersa .380 (Duo tone) Kel Tec P3AT (SG) Stoeger 2000 (black syn.) 26" Winchester Model 97 12 gauge FULL Marlin Firearms Model 60 22LR

May 12, 2005, 10:30 PM	#15
Trip20 Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2005 Posts: 2,181	LMAO Bullrock. I will respectfully disgree with you. (because they may be watching and I do not want to get caught) But yeah, I thought it was just as obvious.

May 12, 2005, 10:41 PM	#16
sarmstrong806 Member Join Date: December 3, 2004 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 62	It does seem ridiculous because you could just as easily hide some of those guns with a tucked in shirt. Most likely if a school has that big of a problem they have metal detectors and clear backpacks. Certain clothes would make it easier to identify that you had 10 hand guns and a shotgun in your pants, but I doubt everyone is carrying that. Mainly I think it was done for shock value to support what was trying to be accomplished by the school board. __________________ Ruger GP-100 4" .357 Magnum Remington 870 Express Pump 20 ga. Ducks Unlimited Single Shot 20 ga. Sheridan Pellet Rifle .20 caliber w/ 4x scope

May 13, 2005, 08:49 AM	#18
sterno Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 362	The beginning of the video is chopped off. It shows a woman walking and talking about how baggy clothes make it possible to conceal anything and that's why you should buy this company's metal detectors. __________________ .38, .39; whatever it took. Sterno's Myspace - Grayskull Myspace

May 13, 2005, 08:56 AM	#19
BatmanX Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 266	Really? It talks about metal detectors? I can't watch it here at work, but I thought the lady said something to the affect of "we should" or "our school" wants unifroms. Or something to that affect. I assumed she was an administrator at the school. __________________ NRA Life Member Current shopping list: Bersa Thunder 9mm CZ SP01 Current Ownage: CZ-P01 Bersa .380 (Duo tone) Kel Tec P3AT (SG) Stoeger 2000 (black syn.) 26" Winchester Model 97 12 gauge FULL Marlin Firearms Model 60 22LR

May 13, 2005, 09:20 AM	#20
ATW525 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2005 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 2,723	No, she works for a company selling metal detectors. I think the idea is they send this video out (which is significantly longer than what we see here) and it has tips for increasing school security through ideas like dress codes, while at the same time working up paranoia about what students might be carrying to class. I think the company in question might also offer appropriate training and other security consulting services on top of the metal detectors, as well.

May 25, 2005, 08:52 AM	#21
big daddy 9mm Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2005 Posts: 451	O..... K..... I agree, that kid would have to move only 3 feet to have his aresonal on the floor. no matter what you restrict. people will always find ways around it good and bad. they rifled shot guns illegal so what we did we do, we made rifled slugs. and the list goes on. they could make those kids come tp school naked and they would just shove a pistle up their ass. you guys are right. that was retarded!! THE MORE LAW ABIDING PEOPLE CARRY GUNS THE SAFER WE WILL ALL BE!!!!

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