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countryboywithgun · March 30, 2008, 12:24 AM

Ok i am hooked on cowboy action shooting. I have a 58 remmy and at the place i will be shooting at you have to have 2 pistols so any suggestions non black powder. i spoke with a guy at bass pro and he suggested either a ruger or tarus or uberti. i don't want to spend much the first time out because i don't have that much to spend. would love to find a great used one.

Hawg · March 30, 2008, 01:12 AM

I prefer Uberti.

tplumeri · March 30, 2008, 02:38 AM

uberti makes a fine gun but i prefer the vaquero

Playboypenguin · March 30, 2008, 02:39 AM

Another vote for the Uberti pistols. That is what I use...although the Vaqueros do not suck either.

yourotherleft · March 30, 2008, 08:04 PM

One more vote for Uberti

byronw999 · March 31, 2008, 09:50 PM

I use 2 Vaqueros.. Great guns out of the box.. You dont need to get trigger jobs and all sorts of other parts replaced as with some other brands.. Best of all they are made in the USA..

I wouldnt get in a hurry tho if yer low on funds.. CAS shooters are usually a real friendly helpfull bunch and will always loan out guns to new folks... Just bring ammo..

countryboywithgun · April 4, 2008, 10:45 PM

ok i am hearing vaqueros and ubertis. the uberti has the older style firing pin so can only chamber 5 how is the ruger?

also what about the tarus??? i looked at one today and liked it

tplumeri · April 4, 2008, 10:56 PM

chamber all 6 with the rugers. safe if dropped etc.

Playboypenguin · April 4, 2008, 10:58 PM

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ok i am hearing vaqueros and ubertis. the uberti has the older style firing pin so can only chamber 5 how is the ruger?

When shooting CAs you will not just be chambering five. You will use all six. Unless you are going to be running around with them in an open top holster with no retention system you need not worry about an empty chamber.

Gaucho Gringo · April 4, 2008, 11:18 PM

Hi

I have a Taurus Gaucho in .357/38spl and love the gun. Unfortunately a little less than two years after buying it, it is an orphan like the Ruger New Army. I don't know whether it is a shakedown in the gun industry but there are other models of guns being discontinued as well. As far as the Gaucho you had people that had problems with theirs and you had people like me who have had no problems with the one they have and wonder what the problem is. I have no doubt as to there have been problem guns, just as to the volume of complaints.
I am still trying to figure out what the difference is between a good one and a bad one is. I would say all the negative publicity about the Gaucho has driven the price down and if you could find one without problems and a bargain price you would have a good revolver. As far as the one I have I am going to keep it and shoot it for many more years.

tplumeri · April 4, 2008, 11:18 PM

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Unless you are going to be running around with them in an open top holster with no retention system

thats how i carry em! what other way is there if youre shooting "authentic"?

By the way countryboywithgun,
the taurus has same safety bar as ruger (load all 6)

Hawg · April 5, 2008, 04:56 AM

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When shooting CAs you will not just be chambering five. You will use all six.

Since when?

Raider2000 · April 5, 2008, 05:08 AM

I was under the impression that it was a requirement to load only 5 chambers for safety irregardless of the make of the gun.

Hawg · April 5, 2008, 05:21 AM

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I was under the impression that it was a requirement to load only 5 chambers for safety irregardless of the make of the gun.

That's the way SASS affiliated clubs are. I've never heard of a club allowing loading all six. If you have a Patterson or similar gun that only holds five they wil let you load it up. They will let you load all six chambers in a C&B revolver but will only let you cap five.

Hawg · April 5, 2008, 05:32 AM

From the January 08 shooters handbook.

Six-guns are always loaded with only five rounds and the hammer lowered, fully down, and left resting on the empty chamber. Five shooters may load five rounds, but the hammer must rest on a dummy chamber or safety slot in the cylinder so the hammer does not rest on a live round/cap. If a particular stage requires a one shot reload, the sixth chamber may be charged at the bench and then capped “on the clock.”

Also from the same handbook.

All handguns must be carried in a safe holster capable of retaining the firearm throughout a normal range of motion.

countryboywithgun · April 5, 2008, 01:43 PM

thanks that helps, i am just trying to sign up in SASS and the local club and read all the rules, inbetween dora, power rangers and changing diapers.

I was also looking so i could possibly carry it safely as a concealed gun

Playboypenguin · April 5, 2008, 02:05 PM

Well, I do not go often but a lot of our stages require a 1-2-3 and then a 3-2-1 shot pattern you cannot accomplish that with ten rounds.

tplumeri · April 5, 2008, 07:38 PM

I think i read about a revolver that has relief between the cylinders so you can keep the hammer down in between and still load all 6. i guess its a gun w/o the transfer bar safety. wonder how it cycles?
anyone know about this, or am i having another out of mind experience?
(or maybe a brainstorm.....

)

Hawg · April 5, 2008, 08:29 PM

The C&B's do but you can't cap but five. If you need six you cap on the clock. If you're shooting cartridges under SASS rules and need a sixth you load the sixth on the clock.

Hafoc · April 5, 2008, 11:13 PM

Tplumeri,

The revolver with a relief cut between the chambers would be an 1858 Remington.

Colt percussion revolvers had pins between the chambers, or at least a single pin between two of them, for the same purpose. With my Pietta Remington 1858 it seems to work properly. With my .31 caliber Remington pocket model it doesn't, because Pietta didn't make the cuts wide enough for the hammer to fit- they're cosmetic only.

I've read some people saying you could lower the firing pin of a Colt SAA or clone between the case rims of the cartridges, and carry all six that way-- if they're centerfire, not rimfire, of course. I don't think I'd try it.

I have a vague memory about some little revolver, maybe the NAA Mini, that used a notch between chambers as a safety. But it's really fuzzy, I'm not sure about it at all.

mykeal · April 6, 2008, 05:29 AM

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The revolver with a relief cut between the chambers would be an 1858 Remington.

How about the Ruger Old Army?

tplumeri · April 6, 2008, 12:31 PM

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revolvers had pins between the chambers, or at least a single pin between two of them, for the same purpose. With my Pietta Remington 1858 it seems to work properly

i only have ruger single actions, so i cant play around to see how this "middle" position would cycle.
If i were carrying with hammer down between cylynders, how would i cycle the gun? ie what rotates the cylinder into normal firing mode?
tom

countryboywithgun · May 19, 2008, 10:20 AM

Hey, i found a Uberti SAA in the classifieds here on the forum, I should pick it up today

I can't wait to give it a whirl.

So i have 2 pistols now the uberti and the 58 remmy with 45 conv.

I also have an 1892 winchester built in 1893 and a 1878 (can't remember brand but built in chickopee(sp?), pre Stevens arms) I need to send both off to work on them any thoughts on using them or should i get replicas???

Hawg · May 19, 2008, 05:34 PM

If the 92 is in collector shape I wouldn't but if it's just a shooter you wouldn't mind getting a few dings and scratches in go for it. Stevens or pre Stevens Shotguns don't have much collector value so go for it on that one.

Hawg · May 19, 2008, 05:36 PM

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i only have ruger single actions, so i cant play around to see how this "middle" position would cycle.
If i were carrying with hammer down between cylynders, how would i cycle the gun? ie what rotates the cylinder into normal firing mode?

Just cock the hammer.

March 30, 2008, 12:24 AM	#1
countryboywithgun Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Location: El Campo, TX Posts: 116	CAS Ok i am hooked on cowboy action shooting. I have a 58 remmy and at the place i will be shooting at you have to have 2 pistols so any suggestions non black powder. i spoke with a guy at bass pro and he suggested either a ruger or tarus or uberti. i don't want to spend much the first time out because i don't have that much to spend. would love to find a great used one.

April 5, 2008, 07:38 PM	#18
tplumeri Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2007 Posts: 1,919	I think i read about a revolver that has relief between the cylinders so you can keep the hammer down in between and still load all 6. i guess its a gun w/o the transfer bar safety. wonder how it cycles? anyone know about this, or am i having another out of mind experience? (or maybe a brainstorm.....)

May 19, 2008, 10:20 AM	#23
countryboywithgun Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Location: El Campo, TX Posts: 116	update on SAA Hey, i found a Uberti SAA in the classifieds here on the forum, I should pick it up today I can't wait to give it a whirl. So i have 2 pistols now the uberti and the 58 remmy with 45 conv. I also have an 1892 winchester built in 1893 and a 1878 (can't remember brand but built in chickopee(sp?), pre Stevens arms) I need to send both off to work on them any thoughts on using them or should i get replicas??? __________________ Here we go

March 30, 2008, 01:12 AM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	I prefer Uberti.

March 30, 2008, 02:38 AM	#3
tplumeri Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2007 Posts: 1,919	uberti makes a fine gun but i prefer the vaquero

March 30, 2008, 02:39 AM	#4
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	Another vote for the Uberti pistols. That is what I use...although the Vaqueros do not suck either.

March 30, 2008, 08:04 PM	#5
yourotherleft Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2006 Posts: 105	One more vote for Uberti

March 31, 2008, 09:50 PM	#6
byronw999 Member Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Grand Prairie, Texas Posts: 46	I use 2 Vaqueros.. Great guns out of the box.. You dont need to get trigger jobs and all sorts of other parts replaced as with some other brands.. Best of all they are made in the USA.. I wouldnt get in a hurry tho if yer low on funds.. CAS shooters are usually a real friendly helpfull bunch and will always loan out guns to new folks... Just bring ammo..

April 4, 2008, 10:45 PM	#7
countryboywithgun Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Location: El Campo, TX Posts: 116	ok i am hearing vaqueros and ubertis. the uberti has the older style firing pin so can only chamber 5 how is the ruger? also what about the tarus??? i looked at one today and liked it

April 4, 2008, 10:56 PM	#8
tplumeri Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2007 Posts: 1,919	chamber all 6 with the rugers. safe if dropped etc.

April 4, 2008, 11:18 PM	#10
Gaucho Gringo Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 366	Hi I have a Taurus Gaucho in .357/38spl and love the gun. Unfortunately a little less than two years after buying it, it is an orphan like the Ruger New Army. I don't know whether it is a shakedown in the gun industry but there are other models of guns being discontinued as well. As far as the Gaucho you had people that had problems with theirs and you had people like me who have had no problems with the one they have and wonder what the problem is. I have no doubt as to there have been problem guns, just as to the volume of complaints. I am still trying to figure out what the difference is between a good one and a bad one is. I would say all the negative publicity about the Gaucho has driven the price down and if you could find one without problems and a bargain price you would have a good revolver. As far as the one I have I am going to keep it and shoot it for many more years.

April 5, 2008, 05:08 AM	#13
Raider2000 Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 719	I was under the impression that it was a requirement to load only 5 chambers for safety irregardless of the make of the gun.

April 5, 2008, 05:32 AM	#15
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	From the January 08 shooters handbook. Six-guns are always loaded with only five rounds and the hammer lowered, fully down, and left resting on the empty chamber. Five shooters may load five rounds, but the hammer must rest on a dummy chamber or safety slot in the cylinder so the hammer does not rest on a live round/cap. If a particular stage requires a one shot reload, the sixth chamber may be charged at the bench and then capped “on the clock.” Also from the same handbook. All handguns must be carried in a safe holster capable of retaining the firearm throughout a normal range of motion.

April 5, 2008, 01:43 PM	#16
countryboywithgun Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2008 Location: El Campo, TX Posts: 116	thanks that helps, i am just trying to sign up in SASS and the local club and read all the rules, inbetween dora, power rangers and changing diapers. I was also looking so i could possibly carry it safely as a concealed gun

April 5, 2008, 02:05 PM	#17
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	Well, I do not go often but a lot of our stages require a 1-2-3 and then a 3-2-1 shot pattern you cannot accomplish that with ten rounds.

April 5, 2008, 08:29 PM	#19
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	The C&B's do but you can't cap but five. If you need six you cap on the clock. If you're shooting cartridges under SASS rules and need a sixth you load the sixth on the clock.

April 5, 2008, 11:13 PM	#20
Hafoc Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Posts: 552	Tplumeri, The revolver with a relief cut between the chambers would be an 1858 Remington. Colt percussion revolvers had pins between the chambers, or at least a single pin between two of them, for the same purpose. With my Pietta Remington 1858 it seems to work properly. With my .31 caliber Remington pocket model it doesn't, because Pietta didn't make the cuts wide enough for the hammer to fit- they're cosmetic only. I've read some people saying you could lower the firing pin of a Colt SAA or clone between the case rims of the cartridges, and carry all six that way-- if they're centerfire, not rimfire, of course. I don't think I'd try it. I have a vague memory about some little revolver, maybe the NAA Mini, that used a notch between chambers as a safety. But it's really fuzzy, I'm not sure about it at all.

May 19, 2008, 05:34 PM	#24
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	If the 92 is in collector shape I wouldn't but if it's just a shooter you wouldn't mind getting a few dings and scratches in go for it. Stevens or pre Stevens Shotguns don't have much collector value so go for it on that one.