Concealed permit

steelrat · March 8, 2007, 11:50 AM

What is everyone’s opinion on a concealed permit? Pros/cons?

slow944 · March 8, 2007, 12:01 PM

I just requalified for my CHL last month. I "NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT"

Smokin Joe · March 8, 2007, 12:07 PM

Every law abiding citizen should apply take classes, train, apply for that permt, and carry all the time. Guns should be as common as cell phones.

steelrat · March 8, 2007, 12:15 PM

What kind of background checks do they do? Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are...

mikejonestkd · March 8, 2007, 12:18 PM

I suggest you check your state laws concerning your questions, each state is different, and the fed regs also apply.

dairycreek · March 8, 2007, 12:35 PM

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What is everyone’s opinion on a concealed permit? Pros/cons?

For those who are willing to take seriously the rights and responsibilities that comes with a concealed carry permit - it is a good thing indeed.

Castaway · March 8, 2007, 12:52 PM

I think if you are trying to get opinions here, your target audience is going to be just a little biased. I'm sure someone may reply on why not, but it's the nature of some to be negative. I remember when stationed in Panama, Noriega's minister of propaganda had also been Samoza's. The joke going around was that at one time he was asked to write an editorial on Jesus Christ. His response was, "for or against?"

inkie · March 8, 2007, 03:39 PM

Its best to research and read every article on concealed carry and not take our advice on this very important decision. You may decide it is not for you. You may be interested in the "United States Concealed Carry Association" 877-677 1919. Ask your questions they may have the literature that may help you to decide.

AK103K · March 8, 2007, 04:11 PM

Its just another form of gun registration and population control.

hpg · March 8, 2007, 05:25 PM

Greatest thing since canned biscuits...............hpg

PointOneSeven · March 8, 2007, 06:22 PM

A way to raise revenue in Washington State. You are still the same person before and after permit, just your wallet's $60 lighter and you've got ink on your fingers.

AK103K · March 8, 2007, 07:10 PM

Next they'll want DNA so you can exercise your "right".

There are only one or two states who treat their citizens as such, the rest are just gathering names.

Erratic · March 8, 2007, 07:15 PM

What kind of background checks do they do? Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are

IMO if you are indeed a law obiding citezen, it shouldnt matter if they know about your guns. But if you plan on some shady business, then perhaps you wouldn't want to tell.

James K · March 8, 2007, 07:56 PM

Just remember that a concealed weapons license is a license to carry a concealed weapon, no more and no less. The license does not give you any more rights, responsibilities or authority than you have without it. The license does not make you a police officer. The only thing it can do, if you are involved in a shooting, is to prevent you from being prosecuted for illegally carrying a concealed weapon.

You have no powers of arrest other than those any citizen has, you have no authority over anyone except what you can enforce with your gun. You can capture a criminal and hold him at gunpoint, but if he simply walks away, you shoot him at your peril. You can still be prosecuted for any other crime you commit, or sued in civil court for any damages you cause. In most states, the term "concealed weapon" means a gun; it rarely includes non-lethal devices like sprays, which are illegal to carry in some states that have few limitations on concealed carry of a firearm.

Jim

EJJR · March 8, 2007, 08:06 PM

"I think if you are trying to get opinions here, your target audience is going to be just a little biased."

No doubt; I laughed pretty good just reading the thread header.

Seriously though, I think it is a good thing in theory, in letter... well that remains to be seen. Its not a perfect solution; And the alternative of anyone being allowed to carry doesnt seem to be any better.

Without any form of registration/permitting, IMO, it would create a very paranoid society. It may have worked in the 1800's, but these days....

Smokin Joe · March 8, 2007, 08:59 PM

the purpose of the concealed carry permit is ....

To keep the cops off your back.

John28226 · March 8, 2007, 09:45 PM

If your state has them, get one; in not, lobby for changing that. Either way contact your elected representatives and ask them to support a federal law for nationwide reciprocity.

I hope I answered your question.
John
Charlotte, NC

Foofer · March 8, 2007, 09:52 PM

If you're level headed and responsible, it's GREAT. However, if you have anger management issues, best travel with a water pistol

gopack · March 8, 2007, 10:27 PM

I have a CC permit, but rarely carry. I go to too many places where one can't carry. My prime reason for having it is that the concealed weapons laws are so cockamamie that I would rather not inadvertently trip one going to the range or other legal pursuits. Secondary reason is that the Commonwealth of Virginia bans the purchase of more than one handgun per month if you don't have one. Just in case I come across the deals of a century, I'd prefer not to have a block for that.

Then again, I just might want to carrry.

tony pasley · March 8, 2007, 10:53 PM

I personally feel it should not be needful for us to bribe the state to carry concealed. Since we do have to bribe the state to carry concealed everyone who gets a permit equals votes to elected officals, so to protect us from our elected officals the more people who get permits the less likely to pass more gun laws so they get to keep thier jobs.

croyance · March 9, 2007, 01:21 AM

Such a general question that covers so much ground.
I wish that every state had a Vermont style law. Failing that, something like Georgia where if you are legal to buy a gun, you get a license with payment, fingerprints (could do without that), and forms. No gun's make, model, or serial number specified.

Cons? It isn't accepted socially by people everywhere.
I remember one time traveling on buisness and locking away my Kahr so I could go into a place that served alcohol (complying with state law). The person I was with recounted it later as a "cannon". Its a damned Kahr! Panic elsewhere.
It is some wear and tear on a gun, so my nicely blued ones stay locked away. Yes, though it is concealed carry, I like pretty guns.

We all have odd quirks.
In some places it really is registration, since the gun's serial number must be specified if you use it for concealed carry.
A mish-mash of reciprocity. Makes traveling an exercise in internet research. However, since the majority of states have some concealed carry law, it is better to keep things on that level - work each state individually to liberalize the laws and to increase reciprocity. Recent political events makes that tougher. If we had a national CCW law, Pelosi and company could get rid of concealed carry nationwide.

AZGunLover · March 9, 2007, 01:29 AM

"the gun's serial number must be specified if you use it for concealed carry." Not in Arizona! I have a concealed WEAPON permit. I can carry ANY legal weapon.

Hayley · March 9, 2007, 01:44 AM

"Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are"

Are you asking whether Big Brother gonna come and git me?

scsov509 · March 9, 2007, 02:13 AM

One thing here that is a tremendous plus with a CPL is that I don't have to wait at all if I want to buy a pistol. The CPL enables me to purchase the pistol and walk out with it the same day. I suppose if all I ever bought was private party handguns then this wouldn't be an issue, but every once and a while I want something brand new and sure don't want to endure some waiting period.

fattsgalore · March 9, 2007, 06:23 AM

PRO's: You can carry a gun with impunity. Plus there's no waiting period on new gun purchases. Damn you three day wait, DAMN YOU!!!! At least I'm not in one of those states that has a ten day wait or one gun a month policy.

CON's: It's expensive and in my state you got to go get finger printed.

Thats about it in my opinion.

March 8, 2007, 11:50 AM	#1
steelrat Member Join Date: February 8, 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 66	Concealed permit What is everyone’s opinion on a concealed permit? Pros/cons?

March 8, 2007, 12:18 PM	#5
mikejonestkd Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 3,716	I suggest you check your state laws concerning your questions, each state is different, and the fed regs also apply. __________________ You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.

March 8, 2007, 03:39 PM	#8
inkie Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2006 Location: Eastern Pa. Posts: 137	Steelrat Its best to research and read every article on concealed carry and not take our advice on this very important decision. You may decide it is not for you. You may be interested in the "United States Concealed Carry Association" 877-677 1919. Ask your questions they may have the literature that may help you to decide.

March 8, 2007, 05:25 PM	#10
hpg Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2002 Location: in the Bluegrass State Posts: 1,610	Greatest thing since canned biscuits...............hpg __________________ NRA member Semper Paratus

March 8, 2007, 08:06 PM	#15
EJJR Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2007 Posts: 153	"I think if you are trying to get opinions here, your target audience is going to be just a little biased." No doubt; I laughed pretty good just reading the thread header. Seriously though, I think it is a good thing in theory, in letter... well that remains to be seen. Its not a perfect solution; And the alternative of anyone being allowed to carry doesnt seem to be any better. Without any form of registration/permitting, IMO, it would create a very paranoid society. It may have worked in the 1800's, but these days.... __________________ Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson Want to learn how to shoot well? http://appleseedinfo.org/

March 8, 2007, 12:01 PM	#2
slow944 Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: DFW,TX Posts: 406	I just requalified for my CHL last month. I "NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT"

March 8, 2007, 12:07 PM	#3
Smokin Joe Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2007 Location: City of New York Posts: 291	Every law abiding citizen should apply take classes, train, apply for that permt, and carry all the time. Guns should be as common as cell phones.

March 8, 2007, 12:15 PM	#4
steelrat Member Join Date: February 8, 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 66	What kind of background checks do they do? Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are...

March 8, 2007, 12:52 PM	#7
Castaway Member Join Date: February 2, 2007 Location: Dade City, FL Posts: 90	I think if you are trying to get opinions here, your target audience is going to be just a little biased. I'm sure someone may reply on why not, but it's the nature of some to be negative. I remember when stationed in Panama, Noriega's minister of propaganda had also been Samoza's. The joke going around was that at one time he was asked to write an editorial on Jesus Christ. His response was, "for or against?"

March 8, 2007, 04:11 PM	#9
AK103K Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2001 Posts: 10,223	Its just another form of gun registration and population control.

March 8, 2007, 06:22 PM	#11
PointOneSeven Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2006 Posts: 579	A way to raise revenue in Washington State. You are still the same person before and after permit, just your wallet's $60 lighter and you've got ink on your fingers.

March 8, 2007, 07:10 PM	#12
AK103K Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2001 Posts: 10,223	Next they'll want DNA so you can exercise your "right". There are only one or two states who treat their citizens as such, the rest are just gathering names.

March 8, 2007, 07:15 PM	#13
Erratic Member Join Date: February 14, 2007 Posts: 55	What kind of background checks do they do? Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are IMO if you are indeed a law obiding citezen, it shouldnt matter if they know about your guns. But if you plan on some shady business, then perhaps you wouldn't want to tell.

March 8, 2007, 07:56 PM	#14
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Just remember that a concealed weapons license is a license to carry a concealed weapon, no more and no less. The license does not give you any more rights, responsibilities or authority than you have without it. The license does not make you a police officer. The only thing it can do, if you are involved in a shooting, is to prevent you from being prosecuted for illegally carrying a concealed weapon. You have no powers of arrest other than those any citizen has, you have no authority over anyone except what you can enforce with your gun. You can capture a criminal and hold him at gunpoint, but if he simply walks away, you shoot him at your peril. You can still be prosecuted for any other crime you commit, or sued in civil court for any damages you cause. In most states, the term "concealed weapon" means a gun; it rarely includes non-lethal devices like sprays, which are illegal to carry in some states that have few limitations on concealed carry of a firearm. Jim

March 8, 2007, 08:59 PM	#16
Smokin Joe Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2007 Location: City of New York Posts: 291	the purpose of the concealed carry permit is .... To keep the cops off your back. Last edited by Smokin Joe; March 8, 2007 at 10:03 PM.

March 8, 2007, 09:45 PM	#17
John28226 Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 292	If your state has them, get one; in not, lobby for changing that. Either way contact your elected representatives and ask them to support a federal law for nationwide reciprocity. I hope I answered your question. John Charlotte, NC

March 8, 2007, 09:52 PM	#18
Foofer Member Join Date: March 8, 2007 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 78	If you're level headed and responsible, it's GREAT. However, if you have anger management issues, best travel with a water pistol

March 8, 2007, 10:27 PM	#19
gopack Senior Member Join Date: August 26, 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 302	I have a CC permit, but rarely carry. I go to too many places where one can't carry. My prime reason for having it is that the concealed weapons laws are so cockamamie that I would rather not inadvertently trip one going to the range or other legal pursuits. Secondary reason is that the Commonwealth of Virginia bans the purchase of more than one handgun per month if you don't have one. Just in case I come across the deals of a century, I'd prefer not to have a block for that. Then again, I just might want to carrry.

March 8, 2007, 10:53 PM	#20
tony pasley Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2006 Location: western north carolina Posts: 1,641	I personally feel it should not be needful for us to bribe the state to carry concealed. Since we do have to bribe the state to carry concealed everyone who gets a permit equals votes to elected officals, so to protect us from our elected officals the more people who get permits the less likely to pass more gun laws so they get to keep thier jobs.

March 9, 2007, 01:21 AM	#21
croyance Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2001 Posts: 3,604	Such a general question that covers so much ground. I wish that every state had a Vermont style law. Failing that, something like Georgia where if you are legal to buy a gun, you get a license with payment, fingerprints (could do without that), and forms. No gun's make, model, or serial number specified. Cons? It isn't accepted socially by people everywhere. I remember one time traveling on buisness and locking away my Kahr so I could go into a place that served alcohol (complying with state law). The person I was with recounted it later as a "cannon". Its a damned Kahr! Panic elsewhere. It is some wear and tear on a gun, so my nicely blued ones stay locked away. Yes, though it is concealed carry, I like pretty guns. We all have odd quirks. In some places it really is registration, since the gun's serial number must be specified if you use it for concealed carry. A mish-mash of reciprocity. Makes traveling an exercise in internet research. However, since the majority of states have some concealed carry law, it is better to keep things on that level - work each state individually to liberalize the laws and to increase reciprocity. Recent political events makes that tougher. If we had a national CCW law, Pelosi and company could get rid of concealed carry nationwide.

March 9, 2007, 01:29 AM	#22
AZGunLover Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 281	"the gun's serial number must be specified if you use it for concealed carry." Not in Arizona! I have a concealed WEAPON permit. I can carry ANY legal weapon.

March 9, 2007, 01:44 AM	#23
Hayley Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2004 Posts: 295	"Once you get one, do they monitor anything? A wise old guy told me once, the less they know about you and the guns you have, the better off you are" Are you asking whether Big Brother gonna come and git me?

March 9, 2007, 02:13 AM	#24
scsov509 Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 819	One thing here that is a tremendous plus with a CPL is that I don't have to wait at all if I want to buy a pistol. The CPL enables me to purchase the pistol and walk out with it the same day. I suppose if all I ever bought was private party handguns then this wouldn't be an issue, but every once and a while I want something brand new and sure don't want to endure some waiting period.

March 9, 2007, 06:23 AM	#25
fattsgalore Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2007 Posts: 304	PRO's: You can carry a gun with impunity. Plus there's no waiting period on new gun purchases. Damn you three day wait, DAMN YOU!!!! At least I'm not in one of those states that has a ten day wait or one gun a month policy. CON's: It's expensive and in my state you got to go get finger printed. Thats about it in my opinion.