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January 30, 2009, 08:23 AM | #26 | ||
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I believe the earliest use of one handed racking started out with the old M1917 holster with personnel carrying cond 3. The pistol is partially drawn and the grip is turned 90 degrees with the top of the slide towards the body. The pistol is then pushed in toward the body then downward. The rear sight digs into the flap of the holster, holding the slide captive as the grip frame moves downward. The pistol is then quickly drawn upward effectively chambering a round and the presentation to the target is continued. This method was further modified by using anything available that could capture the rear sight with enough of a purchase to cycle the pistol. All the Gunners Mates I have talked to that were active during the era of the .45 in standard service knew this technique, but I do not believe I ever asked them where they learned it. Kind of long winded on this, but you asked and I felt the least I could do was provide a reasonable explanation of the technique. |
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I think it would almost be better to pull over to the side of the road. If they were just angry, they would just drive on. If they intended you harm, it just seems that being stationary with a gun is safer than speeding in a car around innocents. Now if you can loose the person by, like the OP did, taking an exit or what not, running away is always the better option. I just dont feel like speeding away is the best move...
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January 30, 2009, 03:37 PM | #28 |
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You guys are right; it was entirely the OP's fault for
1. Being a courteous driver 2. Watching to make sure the other driver didn't escalate things more than they already were 3. Keeping a cool head The OP was simply sharing a story, and you guys try to flip it on him like he made some kind of mistake. You are reading too much into this story. I've seen this happen on TFL before. Everybody needs to relax.
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January 30, 2009, 10:31 PM | #29 | |
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Guns aside--had there been an accident, how might the OP's actions be judged in terms of contributing negligence, or worse? The OP's post is indelible and as the saying goes, "can and will be used against you." Or us, as the case may be. Sorry, but that's the way it is. We need to consider what we say here--beforehand. |
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January 31, 2009, 10:49 PM | #30 |
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Good to see another instructor around here! Do you drive a Spec E30 in NASA-MA?
Not sure what everyone's getting so worked up about, it sounds like everything turned out alright. No bent up sheetmetal, no holes in you (or the other person), and no police involvement.. I've had worse days! |
January 31, 2009, 11:08 PM | #31 | |
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We've all got stories like that. A gun shouldn't be an issue. Can't tell you how many times a driver got impatient with me when I was going just as fast as the car in front of me. Some people get mad when you leave a safe cushion and aren't tailgating the car in front of you like he's doing to you. I've been running into some pretty agressive gals lately, also. I agree, that guns shouldn't be part of the discussion. However, things have escalated to something serious over less. I too, have changed lanes in what I thought was plenty of time, only to have the driver behind me indicate his displeasure by coming up fast behind and tailgating---just like happened to BMW. Nothing usually comes of it because the driver probably does that all the time to many people---but you never know. Last edited by Nnobby45; January 31, 2009 at 11:18 PM. |
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January 31, 2009, 11:39 PM | #32 | |
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February 1, 2009, 12:31 AM | #33 |
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I agree with Glock Fan, you guys are acting like he actually shot the guy trying to ram him off the road. I wouldn't think a bunch of guys who own guns (who I hope are level headed) would be so aggressive to a person just posting a story. We are supposed to be the cool heads of society, not the furry fingered internet bullies that torment forums.
I think the rule "If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all" should be applied here.
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When you post a story on a forum, you solicit responses from the entire world. Not everyone will give you a big high five. The beauty of this forum is the opportunity it gives us to evaluate the actions of others, and to learn from their experiences. Conversely, we can learn from how others evaluate our stories. You can be nice and still disagree with someone. -T |
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While traveling through Wisconsin many years back we pulled into a rest area and were almost immediately blocked in by another car. The three passengers jumped out and starting yelling for us to get out of our car. We didn't have our CCW's back then...but I did have a really cherry M1 carbine...
My wife turned on the inside light as I locked and loaded a 30 round magazine. When last seen the other folks were exiting the rest area at high speed, leaving us with a new tire iron and a ratty aluminum baseball bat. Sometimes it's just handy to have a gun in the car... Milspec
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February 3, 2009, 06:17 PM | #38 |
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Interesting thoughts, for a new member's second second post...................
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February 3, 2009, 06:22 PM | #39 |
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this is looking like a troll post to me...
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February 3, 2009, 10:43 PM | #40 |
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"this is looking like a troll post to me..."
Not at all. I've been away for a couple of days. I tried to get on last night, a couple of times, but couldn't. Was the site down for maintenance? ps I looked for a "quote" button and couldn't find it so I did the cut-paste thing. Last edited by BMW Racer; February 3, 2009 at 11:18 PM. |
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Knowing that you have the edge, and, that if you use it, your chances of ending up in jail are about 100% tends to make for a polite society. For awhile in LA guys were opening up with Mac 10's, and that also made for much less road rage bull.
I've actually watched 3 kids hit my car, drunk, with Dad's van, in a parking lot, right in front of me. I played it through my mind, and, the dent in the car was far less painful then loosing my right to protect myself in Kali. I NEVER want to pull a gun, period. But, I don't want to be the 1 in 17 every year that is a victim of violent crime, or less, in a couple major cities around, in which I work... |
February 3, 2009, 11:13 PM | #42 |
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"You teach teenagers to ignore road ragers, yet you looked at the Mercedes driver three times?
I'm no driving instructor, but I know that making eye contact with a road rager is a definite no-no. If ignoring him would've defused the situation, we can only assume that acknowledging him would escalate it, right? No sane person would produce a gun under the circumstances you describe, so exactly what kind of response do you expect from your post? -T" Actually, I should have written it a little differently. I glanced over and then looked right back at the road, each time. He was right beside my car so the only way to have proper awareness was to briefly check his car's position, every few seconds. Yes, I did look at him very briefly but I was mainly watching his driving. And, it was at night so it's hard to know if he thought I was confronting him by looking over. And we tell teenagers to ignore a road rager because teenagers tend to make more-emotional decisions than do mature adults, and thus get sucked-into bad situations. You are correct that no sane person would produce a gun in this situation and I didn't produce my gun, or ever considered producing my gun. Nothing real deep about that statement; that's just what happened. So why did I post this experience? Certainly not because I was expecting any specific type of response. I was just curious about any type of response, and I was hoping others would share their experiences as well. I like to learn from others, especially when I'm new to something. Also, I didn't get offended at anything you wrote - although I didn't agree with it all. I'm a big boy and can take alot worse. Last edited by BMW Racer; February 3, 2009 at 11:38 PM. |
February 3, 2009, 11:27 PM | #43 |
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"BWMRacer, good story. I've wondered how I would react in a similar situation, and have not yet gotten a CCW, partly for this reason. It sounds like you made good decisions - maybe not perfect in hindsight, but good job. I wonder about the home that guy was going back to.
Don" Right. And I agree that I didn't react perfectly. I was just interested to know what others would have done, or have done, when they were facing the same-type situation. Not whether they "pulled out their weapon" which no sane person would do, but just their general reaction. Last edited by BMW Racer; February 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM. |
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"Good to see another instructor around here! Do you drive a Spec E30 in NASA-MA?..."
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Things have changed. Friends were going hunting, did pretty much the same thing you did on Highway 80, going to Nevada. Very quiet, soft spoken guys. Guy with a Porsche got angry, and, was diving under their bumper, keeping pace with them, etc. They were in a pickup, and, it did have gun racks, and they did have rifles, so, the Porsche driver was having serious sanity issues. After a few minutes of being harassed, trying to get away from the guy, etc. the passenger had enough. He pulled his 1911, and, racked the slide, ejecting a round onto the Porsches' windshield. This had an immediate sobbering effect, and, the guy dove for the nearest freeway exit.
These days, the guy would use his cell, call the CHP, and have both of the guys arrested, and, probably get off scott free. |
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Found this article by Mas Ayoob. It's on topic for your situation:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1 These situations are always reported the same way in the media: "Unarmed Motorist Slain by Police." A full size automobile at fifty miles an hour generates half a million foot pounds of energy. Compute it downward for a small car like a '91 Cavalier and for the lower speed involved--the prosecutor's own expert admitted that the vehicle was accelerating rapidly as it came toward the patrolman--and you still have more body-destroying force than could be mustered if every officer working the midnight shift had fired every round of ammunition in every magazine on their duty belts. Any police officer who has responded to an auto/pedestrian accident knows the sort of horrendous, mangling trauma that such an impact causes. The term "he was strained through the grille" is not just a figure of speech. Avulsions--field amputations--are commonplace when cars slam into humans. Flattened torsos. Skulls literally crushed like eggshells. The cops know what's about to happen to them if they don't use the greatest force available to them to stop it. That's why they shoot at drivers who try to run them down, and that's why the courts generally rule them justifiable for so doing. I LOVE this quote: Quote:
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As far as your post goes. Seems to me you did fine. No one got killed and that's a plus. If I am truly at fault during a driving incident ( my opinion of course) I will truly tell the other driver that I am sorry for not paying attention and take the ass chewing. However I personally don't take bull**** from other drivers either if they were at fault. Pride I guess.
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I've been in some minor tiffs since I started carrying, and like him, I never considered my weapon. And no, you don't have to be a hothead, sometimes you are forced into it.
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February 13, 2009, 10:37 PM | #49 |
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it would've ended badly for him if he tried to ram my vehicle, my f350 is considerably more sturdy than his car and my 8 years of short track racing would help, many times ive gotten rubrails hooked and the other driver tried to rub me off and every time ive been on the winning end.
diehard, hey glad to see someone local on here, im about 15 miles south of you. my brother in law lives on ferry st up by you |
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I'm very thankful you kept your head and did NOT pull the gun or think about it.
Just a week or two ago down here in FL two cars were northbound on I-95 and each got a case of road rage. The swerving, cussing and gestures quickly turned into one ignorant moron displaying his gun and then you had 2 cars shooting at each other while driving at 70mph up a crowded I-95. And they each had the nerve to call 911 on the other car. Luckily the 911 operators and police had them pull over (separate places) and each driver/shooter is facing felony charges.
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