Stimulus package has no anti-gun laws... - Page 2

Re4mer · February 16, 2009, 12:43 AM

I have not looked into how the bill affects gun laws specifically but in general it seems to be yet another step on the road toward a socialist government in the US. The only true debate is whether or not it will be the final step.

**Mike Irwin** · February 16, 2009, 01:30 AM

"And our forefathers when they wrote the Constitution, thats spelled out in black and white, never thought that it would be manipulated either did they."

Really?

You've ever heard of the Alien and Sedition laws, which heavily manipulated the Constitution, and which were passed by many of the same men who WROTE the Constitution?

I'm not sure why everyone seems to think that the Framers laid down the Constitution, quit there, and retired to have their likenesses carved into marble for posterity.

They didn't.

The entire US Code, passed in increments throughout the 1790s through the early 1800s, was an exercise in manipulating the Constitution.

How about Louisiana Purchase? Nothing in the Constitution gave the Federal government the right or ability to add to the nation through outright purchase of land from a foreign government. Jefferson and many of the men who wrote the Constitution manipulated it to make the purchase legal even though there were calls that it was an unconstitutional usurpation of power by the Federal government.

If the Framers could see things now, they'd see a continuation of the process that they started. Nothing more.

Some of them would be supremely ******. Others would likely be more than fine with much of what's gone on in the past 200 years.

I'll say it one last time.

Unclench your buttocks, pull your skivies out of your rat hole, and concentrate on what is happening RIGHT NOW. Don't fight the battle that you THINK you might have to fight, fight the battle that is in front of you.

Your advocacy is far more effective that way.

shortwave · February 16, 2009, 02:15 AM

Your right Mike. Thats all the anti`s are trying to do to the Framers version of the Const.(2nd Amend.) today. Just re-frame it alittle. I love this bill and you`ve talked me into accepting it as written. It will be the greatest thing a Pres. has ever signed and if it is manipulated, you,me,children,grandchildren and our forefathers will be proud. It will be done in a positive way. Could have done without some of the cute,sarcastic words you used as a mod. but your thoughts are appreciated

. The condition of my buttocks and location of my skivies are personnal and i don`t want people to get the wrong impression of you and I. Again,hope to see you at the march.

Nnobby45 · February 16, 2009, 02:36 AM

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Is it a good sign that the stimulus package doesn't have any anti-gun ornaments... There are a lot of pet projects, and I think it's a good sign that there are no anti-gun measures.

For the most part, it's a spending bill. Hard to tell, of course, since nobody seems to have read the thing. I think even the people who created it put what they wanted in there and passed it on to the next liberal without much concern to what they might add in.

Not a good sign at all. They're going to attack the 2d Amendent with more than just stuff they snuck on to some other bill. Not to say they've abandanded that tactic completely, either.

pnac · February 16, 2009, 02:13 PM

This might be a good website to see what's actually in the stimulus bill.

http://stimuluswiki.com/w/index.php/Main_Page

armedtotheteeth · February 16, 2009, 10:35 PM

i got this in a email. I hope its Bs. Some one help me please
"
The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.”

As to why these US Troops are being prepared to be unleashed upon the American people one need look no further than the massive New World Order ‘stimulus’ bill President Obama is set to sign in Denver, and which unknown to virtually all of these poor souls had ‘slipped’ into it, in ink, and just minutes prior to its passing by the US Congress (rendering them unable to read it), a provision titled “Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009” and named after a 16-year old honor student in President Obama’s hometown of Chicago who was murdered in May, 2007.
It is no wonder that this new law has been kept secret from the American people by their propaganda media organs as with its coming into law means that every single American owning a firearm will have to possess a US National Firearms Permit [Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following]and that all guns in the United States will have to be registered and that no private sales of guns [Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act] between Americans will be allowed, all of which are designed to effectively disarm the entire population of this Nation exactly one year [SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.] upon President Obama’s signing on February 17th."

that was just an exerpt from the whole thing. I hope its Bs

gc70 · February 16, 2009, 11:15 PM

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i got this in a email. I hope its Bs. Some one help me please

Yes, it is an inaccurate report. H.R. 45 (Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) was NOT "slipped into" or in any way included in the stimulus bill (H.R. 1).

Check for yourself; H.R. 1 contains the word "firearm" precisely once, in relation to ATF funding. H.R. 45 contains the word "firearm" 112 times.

armedtotheteeth · February 17, 2009, 07:39 AM

thanky GC70. I kinda figurd it was crap. I found on http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=4430 that this is probably false, but i did not know how up to date th Nra was . Im guessing they are on top of things.

February 16, 2009, 02:15 AM	#28
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Your right Mike. Thats all the anti`s are trying to do to the Framers version of the Const.(2nd Amend.) today. Just re-frame it alittle. I love this bill and you`ve talked me into accepting it as written. It will be the greatest thing a Pres. has ever signed and if it is manipulated, you,me,children,grandchildren and our forefathers will be proud. It will be done in a positive way. Could have done without some of the cute,sarcastic words you used as a mod. but your thoughts are appreciated. The condition of my buttocks and location of my skivies are personnal and i don`t want people to get the wrong impression of you and I. Again,hope to see you at the march. Last edited by shortwave; February 16, 2009 at 03:06 AM.

February 16, 2009, 12:43 AM	#26
Re4mer Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2008 Posts: 240	I have not looked into how the bill affects gun laws specifically but in general it seems to be yet another step on the road toward a socialist government in the US. The only true debate is whether or not it will be the final step.

February 16, 2009, 01:30 AM	#27
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	"And our forefathers when they wrote the Constitution, thats spelled out in black and white, never thought that it would be manipulated either did they." Really? You've ever heard of the Alien and Sedition laws, which heavily manipulated the Constitution, and which were passed by many of the same men who WROTE the Constitution? I'm not sure why everyone seems to think that the Framers laid down the Constitution, quit there, and retired to have their likenesses carved into marble for posterity. They didn't. The entire US Code, passed in increments throughout the 1790s through the early 1800s, was an exercise in manipulating the Constitution. How about Louisiana Purchase? Nothing in the Constitution gave the Federal government the right or ability to add to the nation through outright purchase of land from a foreign government. Jefferson and many of the men who wrote the Constitution manipulated it to make the purchase legal even though there were calls that it was an unconstitutional usurpation of power by the Federal government. If the Framers could see things now, they'd see a continuation of the process that they started. Nothing more. Some of them would be supremely ******. Others would likely be more than fine with much of what's gone on in the past 200 years. I'll say it one last time. Unclench your buttocks, pull your skivies out of your rat hole, and concentrate on what is happening RIGHT NOW. Don't fight the battle that you THINK you might have to fight, fight the battle that is in front of you. Your advocacy is far more effective that way.

February 16, 2009, 02:13 PM	#30
pnac Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2008 Posts: 550	This might be a good website to see what's actually in the stimulus bill. http://stimuluswiki.com/w/index.php/Main_Page

February 16, 2009, 10:35 PM	#31
armedtotheteeth Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2005 Location: podunk, Texas Posts: 1,610	i got this in a email. I hope its Bs. Some one help me please " The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.” As to why these US Troops are being prepared to be unleashed upon the American people one need look no further than the massive New World Order ‘stimulus’ bill President Obama is set to sign in Denver, and which unknown to virtually all of these poor souls had ‘slipped’ into it, in ink, and just minutes prior to its passing by the US Congress (rendering them unable to read it), a provision titled “Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009” and named after a 16-year old honor student in President Obama’s hometown of Chicago who was murdered in May, 2007. It is no wonder that this new law has been kept secret from the American people by their propaganda media organs as with its coming into law means that every single American owning a firearm will have to possess a US National Firearms Permit [Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following]and that all guns in the United States will have to be registered and that no private sales of guns [Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act] between Americans will be allowed, all of which are designed to effectively disarm the entire population of this Nation exactly one year [SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.] upon President Obama’s signing on February 17th." that was just an exerpt from the whole thing. I hope its Bs

February 17, 2009, 07:39 AM	#33
armedtotheteeth Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2005 Location: podunk, Texas Posts: 1,610	thanky GC70. I kinda figurd it was crap. I found on http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=4430 that this is probably false, but i did not know how up to date th Nra was . Im guessing they are on top of things.