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April 9, 2013, 11:57 PM | #101 |
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Are there any CT residents here who spoke out at the committee hearings when this bill was heard? It is my experience that when a legislature tries to ban something it really drives people to act. Did this happen in CT? The legislature there seems to be open to all; http://www.cga.ct.gov/asp/Content/YourVoice.asp and with a state as small as CT you're 90 minutes or less away from the capital.
In WA we were subjected to nearly the same crap but people turned out in droves to let their Reps know how they felt. lark
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April 10, 2013, 05:48 AM | #102 | |
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It is unlikely most of them read the entire bill. If they did, they could not possibly have understood it because the police departments are still trying to figure it out. It was like Pelosi with Obamacare: "We'll have to pass it to find out what it says." {Edit to add} http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/new_lon...s#.UWVQdKyRdAN Last edited by Aguila Blanca; April 10, 2013 at 06:44 AM. |
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April 10, 2013, 08:26 AM | #103 |
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That is messed up. While I have attended committee hearings in Olympia where they amended the bill just prior to the hearing without telling the public, passing legislation without public hearings is just bizarre.
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April 10, 2013, 08:28 AM | #104 |
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Passing legislation without hearings may also violate Due Process. Unless I am sadly mistaken, "notice and an opportunity to be heard" are the cornerstones of Due Process.
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April 10, 2013, 09:59 AM | #105 |
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They did the same thing in New York. Connecticut got around it by certifying the legislation as "emergency" -- even though the shooting was 3-1/2 months prior and there was no history or pattern of similar mass shootings in Connecticut for something like 350 years.
Basically, it just shows how broken the political system has become in the United States today, but that's a topic probably beyond the scope of this forum. The bottom line is that Connecticut has an emergency process to streamline the adoption of laws, and they used it here even though there wasn't any emergency. I guess anything is an emergency if they have enough legislators to vote that it's an emergency. (How's THAT for due process?) The word I received in a brief e-mail from my friend at the CCDL meeting is that there will be an appeal in Federal court. Supposedly the NRA will be part of the suit, or backing it in some way. No mention of the Second Amendment Foundation. I had asked about a challenge in state court under Connecticut's state constitution. The response was that the legislature thinks they worded the law in such a way that it doesn't violate the state constitution. Since there is no state supreme court affirming a right to be armed with the "weapons in common use," that may be a valid assessment. Connecticut folks are still allowed to carry 10-round firearms, so their RKBA under the state constitution has not been eliminated. I just hope the legal team in Connecticut is up to the task. It is obvious from several news reports I've been reading that both Connecticut and the Obama administration are hoping to export the Connecticut approach to other states. To quote our old friend Barney Fife, "We've got to nip it in the bud." |
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Oh, I understand the whole "emergency clause" bit. I'd have to take a long look at the procedures used, but as you might imagine, I have some concerns about CT's (&NY's) ability to circumvent Due Process using state law procedures.
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April 10, 2013, 02:36 PM | #108 |
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Why don't the politicians come out and speak the truth for once. I mean in my opinion what they really are trying to do is control the citizens by doing away with our constitution and do as they please. It's apparent that power has corrupted many politicians. Our 2nd Amendment right's is a threat to them as they fear an armed populous. I don't fear an intruder nor a drive through some rough neighborhoods, what I do fear is our government... Now there's something to fear! What a shame.
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April 20, 2013, 09:56 AM | #109 |
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Bump to see if anyone knows the status of CT's legislation. Now that the Federal UBC is defeated, will the NRA turn the attention to the state issues?
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April 20, 2013, 01:40 PM | #110 | |
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If you are in Connecticut, I would suggest that you join the CCDL and attend their next meeting. Then you can update us on the status of the appeal. |
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April 20, 2013, 01:54 PM | #111 |
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Thanks for the heads-up on the CCDL. I will look into joining.
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