What is 7.65mm?

Wrothgar · June 18, 2009, 11:09 PM

I saw a bunch of guns (like this one) with this caliber. Its not Nagant and its not Tokarev and they didn't have it at cheaperthandirt. What is it?!?!

R1145 · June 18, 2009, 11:14 PM

Aka .32 acp.

2cooltoolz · June 18, 2009, 11:14 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The .32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) pistol cartridge is a semi-rimmed, straight-walled cartridge developed by firearms designer John Browning, for use in the FN M1900 semi-automatic pistol. It is also known as the 7.65x17mm Browning SR or 7.65 mm Browning. Introduced in 1899 by Fabrique Nationale,[2] the cartridge was first used in the Browning M1900.

Synonyms
32 Auto (typical designation in America)
.32 Browning Auto
7.65x17mm
7.65x17mmSR (SR — Semi-Rimmed)
7.65 mm Browning (typical designation in Europe)

http://www.google.com/

RJay · June 18, 2009, 11:15 PM

.32 ACP

Webleymkv · June 18, 2009, 11:17 PM

In the case of the Walther in your link, 7.65mm is the European designation for .32ACP. There are a few other 7.65mm pistol rounds the most common being 7.65mm Parabellum which is the European designation for .30 Luger. It is fairly common to see small European guns such as Walther PP-series, CZ 50/70, Mauser HsC, CZ-83, Beretta M1935 and other small blowbacks marked as 7.65mm instead of .32 ACP. Likewise, it is fairly common to see guns marked 9mm Short, 9x17, or 9mm Kurz instead of .380 ACP and 6.35mm instead of .25 ACP

2cooltoolz · June 18, 2009, 11:17 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Walther PP

Walther PP
Type Semi-automatic pistol
Place of origin Weimar Republic
Service history
In service 1935
Used by Nazi Germany
Wars World War II
Production history
Designer Carl Walther Waffenfabrik
Designed 1929
Manufacturer Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen
Produced 1929-present
Variants PPK, PPK-L, PPK/S, PP-Super, PPK/E
Specifications
Weight 665 g (23.5 oz) (PP 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP)
660 g (23 oz) (PP 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
675 g (23.8 oz) (PP .22 LR)
590 g (21 oz) (PPK 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP)
590 g (21 oz) (PPK 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
560 g (20 oz) (PPK .22 LR)
635 g (22.4 oz) (PPK/S 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP)
630 g (22 oz) (PPK/S 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
645 g (22.8 oz) (PPK/S .22 LR)
480 g (17 oz) (PPK-L 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
450 g (16 oz) (PPK-L .22 LR)
780 g (28 oz) (PP-Super)
Length 170 mm (6.7 in) (PP)
155 mm (6.1 in) (PPK)
156 mm (6.1 in) (PPK/S)
165 mm (6.5 in) (PPK-L)
176 mm (6.9 in) (PP-Super)
Barrel length 98 mm (3.9 in) (PP)
83 mm (3.3 in) (PPK, PPK/S, PPK-L))
92 mm (3.6 in) (PP-Super)
Width 30 mm (1.2 in) (PP, PPK/S, PPK-E)
25 mm (1.0 in) (PPK)
35 mm (1.4 in) (PP-Super)
Height 109 mm (4.3 in) (PP)
100 mm (3.9 in)
110 mm (4.3 in) (PPK/S)
113 mm (4.4 in) (PPK-E)
124 mm (4.9 in) (PP-Super)

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Cartridge 7.65x17mm Browning SR (.32 ACP)
9x17mm Short (.380 ACP)
.22LR
6.35x15mm Browning SR (.25 ACP)
9x18mm Ultra (PP-Super)
Action Straight blowback
Muzzle velocity 256 m/s (840 ft/s) (PP 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP)
320 m/s (1,049.9 ft/s) (PP 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
305 m/s (1,000.7 ft/s) (PP .22 LR)
244 m/s (800.5 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP)
308 m/s (1,010.5 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S/PPK-L 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP)
280 m/s (918.6 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S/PPK-L .22 LR)
325 m/s (1,066.3 ft/s) (PP-Super)
Feed system Magazine capacity:
PP: 8+1 (.32 acp)
7+1 (.380)
PPK: 7+1 (.32 acp)
6+1 (.380)
Sights Fixed iron sights, rear notch and front blade

Wrothgar · June 18, 2009, 11:23 PM

Alright, sorry I asked a stupid question, lock it up, even though I DID google it and all that came up was Tokarev and Nagant.

2cooltoolz · June 18, 2009, 11:27 PM

No...not a stupid question. I have two .32's and I had to look it up. Then I posted what I found. I'm a "look it up" guy. It's almost my job description. I realize most people just ask a friend. Sorry that I didn't act like a friend should act. ..

Wrothgar · June 18, 2009, 11:34 PM

Its alright Tex :-).

**JohnKSa** · June 19, 2009, 12:52 AM

European caliber designations can often be very different from our U.S. caliber names.

The .380ACP, for example, has several commonly used European designations that are not at all helpful to a person who only knows it by its U.S. nomenclature.

Speaking of obscure designations for common calibers, does anyone know what caliber the 9x29R refers to?

cavymeister · June 19, 2009, 05:52 AM

.38 Special

Elvishead · June 19, 2009, 08:05 AM

32acp?

gak · June 19, 2009, 09:52 AM

...Not to mention James Bond's replacement - in PPK form -- for his .25 Beretta :-)

gb_in_ga · June 19, 2009, 12:35 PM

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Speaking of obscure designations for common calibers, does anyone know what caliber the 9x29R refers to?

Yep. .38 Spl.

Webleymkv · June 19, 2009, 04:17 PM

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Speaking of obscure designations for common calibers, does anyone know what caliber the 9x29R refers to?

How about 11.43mm?

T. O'Heir · June 19, 2009, 05:54 PM

The one on Simpson's site is a .22 LR. Not a .32 or 7.65mm anything. Manurhin is the French company that made Walthers under contract, at one time.
"...11.35mm?..." Converts to .45", mathematically, but to find out what cartridge you need the case length. The .45 ACP is called an 11.43mm x 32mm. The 11.43mm refers to the bullet diameter. Mind you, .451" and .452" don't mathematically convert to 11.43mm or 11.35mm. They convert to 11.46mm and 11.48mm respectively.
Don't try to figure out why a cartridge is called what it is. It'll give you brain damage.

James K · June 19, 2009, 06:38 PM

7.65mm is a bullet diameter, like saying "32 caliber." And like .32, there are a whole bunch of cartridges designated "7.65" none of which is the Nagant, which is designated 7.62mm.

But T. O'Heir is correct. The description says 7.65mm (.32 ACP in the Walther), but the gun is a target model and is actually marked .22 LR, which is the quaint metric designation for, well, .22 LR. (Walther, for some reason, always used the English/American term on their .22 pistols, rather than the German 5.6 LfB.)

Jim

cavymeister · June 19, 2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Webleymkv

How about 11.35mm?

11.35x18mm or the 11.35mm Schouboe round

Here's some info: http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Schouboe/schouboe.html

Copy and paste aint my cup of tea tonight.

**JohnKSa** · June 19, 2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

.38 Special

Yup, ran across that the other day in some reading and got a chuckle out of it.

WaR ~J~ CrImInAl · June 20, 2009, 09:20 AM

7.65mm is a bullet diameter.. very commonlly used at our part of the world. see this picture.. this gun is one of the best we got .. it is on old ASTRA spain made FALCON 4000 size 7.65 where you can see the bullets and the gun called 7.65

Archie · June 20, 2009, 10:37 AM

Somewhere there's a thread called "Which Cartridges are the Same?" or something like that. It runs a number of pages discussing things like

.32 ACP is 7.65mm Browning
.380 ACP is 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Corto, 9x19mm and none are close to .380/200
.38-40 is actually 40 caliber, not 38.
and so on.

Then there's all the descriptors, like "Special", "Magnum", "Express" and "Peterlongo". Not to mention why is the ".300 Whisper" not ".30 Whisper" or ".3 Whisper"? How come ".30-30" and ".300 Whatever Magnum" have the same bore diameter? Does adding an extra zero on the end make it more powerful?

Figuring out names of cartridges as detailed and difficult as figuring out which Luger is worth more than the other. (But not as difficult as figuring out women or politicians.)

Webleymkv · June 20, 2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Quote:
How about 11.35mm?

11.35x18mm or the 11.35mm Schouboe round

Sorry, that was a typo. I actually meant 11.43mm

Specifically, 11.43x23.

cavymeister · June 21, 2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webleymkv

Sorry, that was a typo. I actually meant 11.43mm Specifically, 11.43x23.

Then that would be the .45 ACP or .45 auto. the standard 1911 round.

http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/colt1911.htm

June 18, 2009, 11:09 PM	#1
Wrothgar Junior member Join Date: January 28, 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 778	What is 7.65mm? I saw a bunch of guns (like this one) with this caliber. Its not Nagant and its not Tokarev and they didn't have it at cheaperthandirt. What is it?!?!

June 18, 2009, 11:14 PM	#3
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The .32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) pistol cartridge is a semi-rimmed, straight-walled cartridge developed by firearms designer John Browning, for use in the FN M1900 semi-automatic pistol. It is also known as the 7.65x17mm Browning SR or 7.65 mm Browning. Introduced in 1899 by Fabrique Nationale,[2] the cartridge was first used in the Browning M1900. Synonyms 32 Auto (typical designation in America) .32 Browning Auto 7.65x17mm 7.65x17mmSR (SR — Semi-Rimmed) 7.65 mm Browning (typical designation in Europe) http://www.google.com/ __________________ What me worry

June 18, 2009, 11:17 PM	#6
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Walther PP Walther PP Type Semi-automatic pistol Place of origin Weimar Republic Service history In service 1935 Used by Nazi Germany Wars World War II Production history Designer Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Designed 1929 Manufacturer Carl Walther GmbH Sportwaffen Produced 1929-present Variants PPK, PPK-L, PPK/S, PP-Super, PPK/E Specifications Weight 665 g (23.5 oz) (PP 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP) 660 g (23 oz) (PP 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 675 g (23.8 oz) (PP .22 LR) 590 g (21 oz) (PPK 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP) 590 g (21 oz) (PPK 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 560 g (20 oz) (PPK .22 LR) 635 g (22.4 oz) (PPK/S 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP) 630 g (22 oz) (PPK/S 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 645 g (22.8 oz) (PPK/S .22 LR) 480 g (17 oz) (PPK-L 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 450 g (16 oz) (PPK-L .22 LR) 780 g (28 oz) (PP-Super) Length 170 mm (6.7 in) (PP) 155 mm (6.1 in) (PPK) 156 mm (6.1 in) (PPK/S) 165 mm (6.5 in) (PPK-L) 176 mm (6.9 in) (PP-Super) Barrel length 98 mm (3.9 in) (PP) 83 mm (3.3 in) (PPK, PPK/S, PPK-L)) 92 mm (3.6 in) (PP-Super) Width 30 mm (1.2 in) (PP, PPK/S, PPK-E) 25 mm (1.0 in) (PPK) 35 mm (1.4 in) (PP-Super) Height 109 mm (4.3 in) (PP) 100 mm (3.9 in) 110 mm (4.3 in) (PPK/S) 113 mm (4.4 in) (PPK-E) 124 mm (4.9 in) (PP-Super) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cartridge 7.65x17mm Browning SR (.32 ACP) 9x17mm Short (.380 ACP) .22LR 6.35x15mm Browning SR (.25 ACP) 9x18mm Ultra (PP-Super) Action Straight blowback Muzzle velocity 256 m/s (840 ft/s) (PP 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP) 320 m/s (1,049.9 ft/s) (PP 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 305 m/s (1,000.7 ft/s) (PP .22 LR) 244 m/s (800.5 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S 9x17mm Short/.380 ACP) 308 m/s (1,010.5 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S/PPK-L 7.65x17mm Browning SR/.32 ACP) 280 m/s (918.6 ft/s) (PPK/PPK/S/PPK-L .22 LR) 325 m/s (1,066.3 ft/s) (PP-Super) Feed system Magazine capacity: PP: 8+1 (.32 acp) 7+1 (.380) PPK: 7+1 (.32 acp) 6+1 (.380) Sights Fixed iron sights, rear notch and front blade __________________ What me worry

June 18, 2009, 11:27 PM	#8
2cooltoolz Senior Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Lake Conroe, Texas Posts: 1,059	No...not a stupid question. I have two .32's and I had to look it up. Then I posted what I found. I'm a "look it up" guy. It's almost my job description. I realize most people just ask a friend. Sorry that I didn't act like a friend should act. .. __________________ What me worry

June 19, 2009, 12:52 AM	#10
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,973	European caliber designations can often be very different from our U.S. caliber names. The .380ACP, for example, has several commonly used European designations that are not at all helpful to a person who only knows it by its U.S. nomenclature. Speaking of obscure designations for common calibers, does anyone know what caliber the 9x29R refers to? __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

June 18, 2009, 11:14 PM	#2
R1145 Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 351	Aka .32 acp.

June 18, 2009, 11:15 PM	#4
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	.32 ACP

June 18, 2009, 11:17 PM	#5
Webleymkv Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 10,446	In the case of the Walther in your link, 7.65mm is the European designation for .32ACP. There are a few other 7.65mm pistol rounds the most common being 7.65mm Parabellum which is the European designation for .30 Luger. It is fairly common to see small European guns such as Walther PP-series, CZ 50/70, Mauser HsC, CZ-83, Beretta M1935 and other small blowbacks marked as 7.65mm instead of .32 ACP. Likewise, it is fairly common to see guns marked 9mm Short, 9x17, or 9mm Kurz instead of .380 ACP and 6.35mm instead of .25 ACP

June 18, 2009, 11:23 PM	#7
Wrothgar Junior member Join Date: January 28, 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 778	Alright, sorry I asked a stupid question, lock it up, even though I DID google it and all that came up was Tokarev and Nagant.

June 18, 2009, 11:34 PM	#9
Wrothgar Junior member Join Date: January 28, 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 778	Its alright Tex :-).

June 19, 2009, 05:52 AM	#11
cavymeister Member Join Date: January 12, 2009 Posts: 28	.38 Special

June 19, 2009, 08:05 AM	#12
Elvishead Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2007 Location: Las vegas, NV Posts: 3,397	32acp?

June 19, 2009, 09:52 AM	#13
gak Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2005 Location: Aridzona Posts: 2,767	...Not to mention James Bond's replacement - in PPK form -- for his .25 Beretta :-)

June 19, 2009, 05:54 PM	#16
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	The one on Simpson's site is a .22 LR. Not a .32 or 7.65mm anything. Manurhin is the French company that made Walthers under contract, at one time. "...11.35mm?..." Converts to .45", mathematically, but to find out what cartridge you need the case length. The .45 ACP is called an 11.43mm x 32mm. The 11.43mm refers to the bullet diameter. Mind you, .451" and .452" don't mathematically convert to 11.43mm or 11.35mm. They convert to 11.46mm and 11.48mm respectively. Don't try to figure out why a cartridge is called what it is. It'll give you brain damage. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

June 19, 2009, 06:38 PM	#17
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	7.65mm is a bullet diameter, like saying "32 caliber." And like .32, there are a whole bunch of cartridges designated "7.65" none of which is the Nagant, which is designated 7.62mm. But T. O'Heir is correct. The description says 7.65mm (.32 ACP in the Walther), but the gun is a target model and is actually marked .22 LR, which is the quaint metric designation for, well, .22 LR. (Walther, for some reason, always used the English/American term on their .22 pistols, rather than the German 5.6 LfB.) Jim

June 20, 2009, 09:20 AM	#20
WaR ~J~ CrImInAl Junior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 4	7.65mm is a bullet diameter.. very commonlly used at our part of the world. see this picture.. this gun is one of the best we got .. it is on old ASTRA spain made FALCON 4000 size 7.65 where you can see the bullets and the gun called 7.65

June 20, 2009, 10:37 AM	#21
Archie Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2000 Location: Hastings, Nebrasksa - the Hear Posts: 2,209	Cartridge names are confusing. Somewhere there's a thread called "Which Cartridges are the Same?" or something like that. It runs a number of pages discussing things like .32 ACP is 7.65mm Browning .380 ACP is 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Corto, 9x19mm and none are close to .380/200 .38-40 is actually 40 caliber, not 38. and so on. Then there's all the descriptors, like "Special", "Magnum", "Express" and "Peterlongo". Not to mention why is the ".300 Whisper" not ".30 Whisper" or ".3 Whisper"? How come ".30-30" and ".300 Whatever Magnum" have the same bore diameter? Does adding an extra zero on the end make it more powerful? Figuring out names of cartridges as detailed and difficult as figuring out which Luger is worth more than the other. (But not as difficult as figuring out women or politicians.) __________________ There ain't no free lunch, except Jesus. Archie Check out updated journal at http://oldmanmontgomery.wordpress.com/