KIK powder?

deerslayer303 · March 17, 2012, 03:12 PM

Powder inc. is running low on Goex, so I ordered some KIK fffg. Have any of you used this powder. All I ever hear is about Goex. I got some FFg Goex for the rifles though.

Andy Griffith · March 17, 2012, 03:43 PM

I've never had any problems with KIK- it shoots just fine.

I do want to try some Diamondback though. It's much better stuff than the old Elephant brand.

Rifleman1776 · March 17, 2012, 06:49 PM

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It's much better stuff than the old Elephant brand.

It would be hard to find a bp that is worse than Elephant brand.
I'm on my last can of Goex, after that I have a supply of Schutzen then a supply of Swiss which will be my go-to powder as long as it is available.

Hawg · March 17, 2012, 07:12 PM

Yeah that Elephant was some sorry stuff years ago. I doubt it's gotten any better.

Hellgate · March 17, 2012, 08:34 PM

KIK semms to be ground a little bit finer than GOEX. The KIK FFg is half way between Goex 3F & 2F in particle size. The Diamondback is, I think, repackaged bulk Goex. The FFFg might even be the 5FA blasting powder that is screened in the same size as FFFg. I've used it over theyears (5FA) and it is just fine and acts like FFFg Goex. It is ungraphited I believe.

Andy Griffith · March 18, 2012, 01:33 PM

Diamondback is made in Brazil and is definitely not repackaged Goex.
Reportedly, it is made on the old Elephant equipment, but with much better quality ingredients.

arcticap · March 18, 2012, 02:57 PM

It's Jack's Battle Powder that's repackaged Goex 3F, and it costs $3 less per pound than than all of their Goex granulations. However it doesn't have any of the graphite added, thus no "G".

http://www.jackspowderkeg.com/

spitpatch · March 18, 2012, 03:36 PM

I have tested kik 2f at 100 & 200 yds off the bench. Shot groups I was happy with. Rifles used 1875 C sharps in 40-65 & 1874 C sharps in 45-70, both met sights. Groups were as good as I ever shot with swiss or goex cart or 2 f. I will use it for sil matches this summer. Have been to the range a few times with each rifle so I know it is consistant. Hope this helps

mikthestick · March 18, 2012, 03:49 PM

Thought you might find this useful. Can't do links so:
google Balck powder conversion sheet No quotation marks The second result on the list is Black powder substitutes for dummies. go to the bottom of the page and click captain Baylor's conversion sheet
mik.

Hellgate · March 18, 2012, 04:21 PM

Articap,
Thanks for straightening me out on the powder. I knew SOMEONE was repackaging GOEX and Jack's completely slipped my mind.

mykeal · March 18, 2012, 05:39 PM

http://www.curtrich.com/BPConversionSheet.htm

Fairshake · March 21, 2012, 12:14 PM

The owner of Jack's and I are good friends. He is a Civil War reenactor and owns two cannons which is why he became a distributor. His powder is not repackaged by him as has been posted on this wire.
Goex packaged and made the runs of powder for him. It was intended to be for the reenactors and there was no need for the graphite coatings of regular sporting powders.
Graphite is added for two reasons, it makes the powder flow through powder measures and gives the powder a shiny look which looks nice. It does however slow the burn of the powder overall.
All black powder burns from the outside surface in and that is why you have faster speeds with 3F as opposed to 2F. Every lot of BP is the same when it starts out. It is made into huge round solid cakes. It then goes to the wheel mill for the making of the different grains. Less time gives us the larger grains such as FG and then you get 1F and so on until they arrive at 4F. There is no difference in the FG and 4F except in size and that is how we regulate the charge and it's power.
I see test all the time that compare Goex with Swiss, KIK, Diamonback, and so on.
First, all powders made in other countries is smaller in grain size than the Goex made in the USA.
Second, we no longer have a premium Goex but are left with the standard blend only. Hodgdon has saw fit to raise the price of Goex over 22% since buying the company. They also stopped making all the better powders.
A inside secret is that they fired employees with many years of service and cut all shifts to the bare minimum.
They are trying to stop the sporting powder business and have the huge government contracts that Goex has had for years.
The other powder companies make one top powder and don't have several blends as Goex once had.
The new Kik lot sold by Powder inc #3910 is a top performer and will give Swiss like results for so many rounds but will not shoot clean as long as Swiss before fouling out. It's a great powder to use and is only $10.50 a pound plus Haz-mat and shipping fees.
If shooting SASS matches then Diamondback will do fine but it's power ratio is lower than the others. Later David

March 17, 2012, 03:12 PM	#1
deerslayer303 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 2,653	KIK powder? Powder inc. is running low on Goex, so I ordered some KIK fffg. Have any of you used this powder. All I ever hear is about Goex. I got some FFg Goex for the rifles though.

March 17, 2012, 03:43 PM	#2
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	I've never had any problems with KIK- it shoots just fine. I do want to try some Diamondback though. It's much better stuff than the old Elephant brand. __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

March 17, 2012, 08:34 PM	#5
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	KIK semms to be ground a little bit finer than GOEX. The KIK FFg is half way between Goex 3F & 2F in particle size. The Diamondback is, I think, repackaged bulk Goex. The FFFg might even be the 5FA blasting powder that is screened in the same size as FFFg. I've used it over theyears (5FA) and it is just fine and acts like FFFg Goex. It is ungraphited I believe. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 18, 2012, 01:33 PM	#6
Andy Griffith Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Macon Co. NC Posts: 591	Diamondback is made in Brazil and is definitely not repackaged Goex. Reportedly, it is made on the old Elephant equipment, but with much better quality ingredients. __________________ Barney Fife: "Nip it, nip it, nip it!" Andy Griffith:"Oh now Barn'...."

March 18, 2012, 02:57 PM	#7
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	It's Jack's Battle Powder that's repackaged Goex 3F, and it costs $3 less per pound than than all of their Goex granulations. However it doesn't have any of the graphite added, thus no "G". http://www.jackspowderkeg.com/ Last edited by arcticap; March 18, 2012 at 06:10 PM.

March 17, 2012, 07:12 PM	#4
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,189	Yeah that Elephant was some sorry stuff years ago. I doubt it's gotten any better.

March 18, 2012, 03:36 PM	#8
spitpatch Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 171	KIK I have tested kik 2f at 100 & 200 yds off the bench. Shot groups I was happy with. Rifles used 1875 C sharps in 40-65 & 1874 C sharps in 45-70, both met sights. Groups were as good as I ever shot with swiss or goex cart or 2 f. I will use it for sil matches this summer. Have been to the range a few times with each rifle so I know it is consistant. Hope this helps

March 18, 2012, 03:49 PM	#9
mikthestick Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2012 Location: Devon England Posts: 177	Thought you might find this useful. Can't do links so: google Balck powder conversion sheet No quotation marks The second result on the list is Black powder substitutes for dummies. go to the bottom of the page and click captain Baylor's conversion sheet mik. Last edited by mikthestick; March 18, 2012 at 04:10 PM.

March 18, 2012, 04:21 PM	#10
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	Articap, Thanks for straightening me out on the powder. I knew SOMEONE was repackaging GOEX and Jack's completely slipped my mind. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 18, 2012, 05:39 PM	#11
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Allow me http://www.curtrich.com/BPConversionSheet.htm

March 21, 2012, 12:14 PM	#12
Fairshake Member Join Date: August 2, 2009 Location: Livingston, La. about 20 miles East of Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 30	Powder difference The owner of Jack's and I are good friends. He is a Civil War reenactor and owns two cannons which is why he became a distributor. His powder is not repackaged by him as has been posted on this wire. Goex packaged and made the runs of powder for him. It was intended to be for the reenactors and there was no need for the graphite coatings of regular sporting powders. Graphite is added for two reasons, it makes the powder flow through powder measures and gives the powder a shiny look which looks nice. It does however slow the burn of the powder overall. All black powder burns from the outside surface in and that is why you have faster speeds with 3F as opposed to 2F. Every lot of BP is the same when it starts out. It is made into huge round solid cakes. It then goes to the wheel mill for the making of the different grains. Less time gives us the larger grains such as FG and then you get 1F and so on until they arrive at 4F. There is no difference in the FG and 4F except in size and that is how we regulate the charge and it's power. I see test all the time that compare Goex with Swiss, KIK, Diamonback, and so on. First, all powders made in other countries is smaller in grain size than the Goex made in the USA. Second, we no longer have a premium Goex but are left with the standard blend only. Hodgdon has saw fit to raise the price of Goex over 22% since buying the company. They also stopped making all the better powders. A inside secret is that they fired employees with many years of service and cut all shifts to the bare minimum. They are trying to stop the sporting powder business and have the huge government contracts that Goex has had for years. The other powder companies make one top powder and don't have several blends as Goex once had. The new Kik lot sold by Powder inc #3910 is a top performer and will give Swiss like results for so many rounds but will not shoot clean as long as Swiss before fouling out. It's a great powder to use and is only $10.50 a pound plus Haz-mat and shipping fees. If shooting SASS matches then Diamondback will do fine but it's power ratio is lower than the others. Later David __________________ SASS Frontier Cartridge class, 100% BP Shooter,