Advance Self Defense

Doc Holliday 1950 · October 27, 2015, 09:36 PM

I haven't taken an Advance Self Defense class since 1970's except for the one I took for my "to carry permit". How many of you have done so and what did you get from it?

I know there are different classes for this. So, what do you recommend taking and why?

I'd greatly appreciate all answers and thoughts on this. I feel that this is a very important course.

Doc

g.willikers · October 28, 2015, 09:38 AM

The world has changed a bit since the 1970s.
It's definitely worth while to take a modern class on shooting, especially for something as important as surviving a deadly encounter.
But most trainers will probably start with a basic class and want you to work up to what ever is called the advanced level.
If you're even only half serious about it, it will take more than one class or even one trainer.
So, might as well start with the basics at a local place..
Even a basic type class will probably be ahead of what was taught in the '70s.

Glenn E. Meyer · October 28, 2015, 10:31 AM

I've taken a slew of classes. In the Tenn. area - can't beat Tom Givens at http://www.rangemaster.com/

One needs, IMHO:

1. The basics on gun use.
2. A more advanced marksmanship class
3. A class that covers legal aspects (like Ayoob's)
4. Tactics classes that include FOF

One has to look out for local tactical timmies that go more for the fun commando, shoot'em ups.

One can add more stuff like realistic H2H (Southnarc types), first aid for critical incidents (not how to treat poison ivy).

Deaf Smith · October 28, 2015, 06:34 PM

I recommend going to a Bandito's club on a Yamaha and tell them how weak and feeble their words are.

You will get some real advanced training there.

If you don't have the time for that, well then, yea, Given's has a pretty good class. Or Farnam.

Deaf

sliponby · October 28, 2015, 08:15 PM

Big time second on Tom Givens. A bit of old school in that he ain't gonna coddle you - more like push you to do your best like a tough football coach or drill sergeant. You will get your money's worth, and then some.

Jeff22 · December 25, 2015, 01:20 AM

In your area, I might suggest Randy Cain of Cumberland Tactics

http://www.guntactics.com/

John Farnam of Defense Training International is doing some classes down in Columbia, South Carolina in October of 2016 also.

http://defense-training.com/

Big Shrek · December 26, 2015, 11:44 PM

I'd say not just a shooting/defensive firearms class,
but also a Martial Arts class as well.
Doesn't really matter WHICH art, either. Whatever's available.
Even Tai Chi, practiced regularly is far better than no training at all.

The base reality of self defense is that not all actions may involve a gun.
Sometimes they involve fighting to get to your gun...
or getting clearance so that you can draw & fire effectively...

g.willikers · December 27, 2015, 08:42 AM

Older folks choose to carry a gun to avoid even getting into a physical confrontation.
Even practicing martial arts can be very disagreeable past a certain age.
Best to find a trainer who understands the risks of aggravating and maybe damaging old joints.
Some of the young trainers at our gym have no clue about how old folks should exercise.
Listening to them just about guarantees a trip to the doctor.

Glenn E. Meyer · December 27, 2015, 05:04 PM

There are classes that teach physical self-defense rather than stylistic martial arts. Not that the latter aren't fun or good for fitness.

The former do take into account the age and fitness of participants. This does not mean they are easy.

Two well known ones are Insights in the Washington state area (they travel) and Southnarc's ECQC.

Valerko · December 30, 2015, 12:10 AM

I just signed up for "Defence Lab". Kind of street fight style. My 15 year old ended up joining me. For the record this is first time I've signed up for any kind of martial arts. So far I'm loving it , real good work out and they start kicking your ass from day one.

http://defencelab.com

October 27, 2015, 09:36 PM	#1
Doc Holliday 1950 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2014 Location: Bout as south as it gets Posts: 1,238	Advance Self Defense I haven't taken an Advance Self Defense class since 1970's except for the one I took for my "to carry permit". How many of you have done so and what did you get from it? I know there are different classes for this. So, what do you recommend taking and why? I'd greatly appreciate all answers and thoughts on this. I feel that this is a very important course. Doc

October 28, 2015, 09:38 AM	#2
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	The world has changed a bit since the 1970s. It's definitely worth while to take a modern class on shooting, especially for something as important as surviving a deadly encounter. But most trainers will probably start with a basic class and want you to work up to what ever is called the advanced level. If you're even only half serious about it, it will take more than one class or even one trainer. So, might as well start with the basics at a local place.. Even a basic type class will probably be ahead of what was taught in the '70s. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.” Last edited by g.willikers; October 28, 2015 at 09:43 AM.

October 28, 2015, 10:31 AM	#3
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I've taken a slew of classes. In the Tenn. area - can't beat Tom Givens at http://www.rangemaster.com/ One needs, IMHO: 1. The basics on gun use. 2. A more advanced marksmanship class 3. A class that covers legal aspects (like Ayoob's) 4. Tactics classes that include FOF One has to look out for local tactical timmies that go more for the fun commando, shoot'em ups. One can add more stuff like realistic H2H (Southnarc types), first aid for critical incidents (not how to treat poison ivy). __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

October 28, 2015, 06:34 PM	#4
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	I recommend going to a Bandito's club on a Yamaha and tell them how weak and feeble their words are. You will get some real advanced training there. If you don't have the time for that, well then, yea, Given's has a pretty good class. Or Farnam. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

October 28, 2015, 08:15 PM	#5
sliponby Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 187	Big time second on Tom Givens. A bit of old school in that he ain't gonna coddle you - more like push you to do your best like a tough football coach or drill sergeant. You will get your money's worth, and then some. __________________ No one prays harder for peace than the soldier. *"We Dare Defend Our Rights",* Alabama State Motto...

December 25, 2015, 01:20 AM	#6
Jeff22 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2004 Location: Madison, Wisconsin Posts: 715	In your area, I might suggest Randy Cain of Cumberland Tactics http://www.guntactics.com/ John Farnam of Defense Training International is doing some classes down in Columbia, South Carolina in October of 2016 also. http://defense-training.com/ __________________ You can only learn from experience if you pay attention!

December 26, 2015, 11:44 PM	#7
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	I'd say not just a shooting/defensive firearms class, but also a Martial Arts class as well. Doesn't really matter WHICH art, either. Whatever's available. Even Tai Chi, practiced regularly is far better than no training at all. The base reality of self defense is that not all actions may involve a gun. Sometimes they involve fighting to get to your gun... or getting clearance so that you can draw & fire effectively... __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

December 27, 2015, 08:42 AM	#8
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	Older folks choose to carry a gun to avoid even getting into a physical confrontation. Even practicing martial arts can be very disagreeable past a certain age. Best to find a trainer who understands the risks of aggravating and maybe damaging old joints. Some of the young trainers at our gym have no clue about how old folks should exercise. Listening to them just about guarantees a trip to the doctor. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

December 27, 2015, 05:04 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	There are classes that teach physical self-defense rather than stylistic martial arts. Not that the latter aren't fun or good for fitness. The former do take into account the age and fitness of participants. This does not mean they are easy. Two well known ones are Insights in the Washington state area (they travel) and Southnarc's ECQC. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

December 30, 2015, 12:10 AM	#10
Valerko Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2012 Location: NY Posts: 184	I just signed up for "Defence Lab". Kind of street fight style. My 15 year old ended up joining me. For the record this is first time I've signed up for any kind of martial arts. So far I'm loving it , real good work out and they start kicking your ass from day one. http://defencelab.com