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Vanya, as Commander in Chief, he is a lawful target for enemy military operations, so I don't think allowing him some military or LE privileges would be out of line.
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The balance of power between the three civilian branches of government and the armed forces was, and rightly, a significant concern for the founding fathers, which is why the Constitution not only puts the ultimate authority in the hands of the civilian branches, but divides it between them, with the power to make war resting with Congress, and the power of command resting with the President. That's a line that's been blurred enough in recent decades, with the way the Presidency has usurped the war-making powers of Congress, and with G.W. Bush adopting military-style clothing ("Mission Accomplished" -- remember that?). I'm old enough to remember when it was considered improper for the President to return military salutes, because he was a civilian and not in uniform. That, IMHO, was the right idea.
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There have been some delegations of authority that were dubious. Specifically, the special prosecutor appointed by Congress, involved an executive function not a legislative one. There are other examples in which the Congress arguably delegates its own authority to the exec impermissibly, but these transgressions of the rule tend to illustrate that each branch is limited to its own function. Quote:
I suppose the answer to "Can the POTUS carry?" invites an intermediate question, "Who is going to stop him?". Stopping him involves an executive function, as does prosecuting him. Since neither Congress nor courts have a role in execution of laws, the hand of POTUS should be free on this issue.
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Say 'someone' decided the president could not legally carry... there is no one who can arrest him for it other than the congress impeaching him for it.....
read the constitution. like some folks have already pointed out.... I think he or she could carry if they so choose.... I personally would not.... got enough folks around with guns that are better trained than me.... I've actually spent time in, under and on top of the White House when the president was not even there and there are so many folks with guns...most you can't see unless you watch the same area for an hour or more, that if a bad thing happened all I was planning to do was dig a hole..... |
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Twobit: It's true, Reagan carried. I never heard that he carried in a briefcase though. The insane thing would have been if he was carrying when he was shot and returned fire to Hinkley. Seriously, the rest of the world would have an opinion of Americans that we are a nation of cowboys!
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I think the prez should absolutely ccw! In theory he could be alone in a room with that one (implausible, I admit) "bad" secret service dude. Assassination-by-trusted-bodyguard is a time-honored tradition worldwide!
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...not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Wonder if Khrushchev had one in his? |
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Don't see why a President couldn't CC, as long as they can pass the background check.
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The reason you carry a weapon is to protect yourself from the unforeseen. Yes, the President is surrounded by multiple layers of security and hundreds of security staff. BUT the Boy Scout motto doesn't stipulate that you stop being prepared once you are surrounded by a Secret Service detail. No one can predict future events and the same reasons why you and I, private citizens, carry concealed is the same reason why a President should. Not that he should return fire in an attack, there are people for that, but to be prepared for the unexpected.
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After I saw the movie "The Hidden", I believe the President should carry.
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This one is going off the rails!
Want to get it off track before we have to close it. I have to go delete some truly hilarious posts to keep within the rules structures. Some of you should know better.
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I would love to see a shoulder rig on the president when he was giving the "State of the Union". Whne you consider who some of the people in the room are, hell he might be well advised to be lock and loaded.
I would vote for a man on the campaign trail that was carrying! Dang straight! Like I read in an earlier post, We trust this man to make counter strike decisions (maybe first strike) certainly should trust him with handgun. Maybe just me but I can't imagine that Dick Cheney wasn't carrying. That metalic sound when he walked had to be more than brass B_ _ _s! |
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Also, while running for his first term Reagan apparently carried. |
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I wonder about that, considering how anti gun (at least for the common citizen) Reagan was.
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Yes, the President, as head of the Executive Branch, the Chief Executive, could carry if he wanted to.
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Interesting question, and the answer is a simple yes.
The practical reality, as pointed out by others, is that he's surrounded by an Army of hightly trained and heavily armed professionals. The most important thing for the Prez is to get of the X of attack and let the pros handle it. |
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you're all forgetting about state laws! (He couldn't carry in New York, for instance)
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Eleanore Roosevelt packed a revolver given to ther by the SS, so , I'd guess the Prez could too if he wanted.
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I remember reading somewhere that Nancy Reagan packed a 25 cal.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us...er=rss&emc=rss
This discussion reminded me that GWB had a Glock 18 in the White House. Was it disabled? Was it legal for him to have a handgun in DC? Was it legal for him to have a clearly not legal fully auto gun? Interesting tid-bit. I wouldn't want a functional gun or one that could be made functional hanging up in a museum.
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Washington DC is a federal enclave, so as President it probably was legal for Dubya to have a handgun there -- even a machine gun. But if he wanders out into Maryland or Virginia (etc) the state laws apply.
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