Another interesting video, guy shoots bully on his front porch! - Page 2

Trip20 · December 27, 2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SMITH90

I've always wondered how getting hit with 200, 300,400,500 ft/lbs of energy from a bullet CAN'T send you backwords (kind of like in the movies) as some have said here. I guess I've been correct that that can happen. I think there's more to the "physics" of the theory that it can't happen. What do you guys think?

I'm not so sure that what you see in the video is him being thrown back from force of ft/lbs... as much as it's him dropping due to the shock of viewing a gun being fired into his chest/abdomen. He didn't fly back like in the movies... his legs caved due to fear and shock more than likely. Just my opinion.

orlando5 · December 27, 2005, 08:26 PM

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There was an incident a few years back, a bully was constantly harassing his two neighbors (they were gay) and this bully would beat the hell outta these guys for no reason. For some reason they had a difficult time getting the local LE to take them seriously even though they would have to go to the hospital for stitches etc. The other neighbors didn't want to get involved, out of fear of the bully. This "couple" decided to hide a camera with audio and video. The tape shows the guy watering his lawn, the bully pulls up in his car, gets out and just charges the victim...no words to provoke and the bully just starts to punch and kick the guy, the victim is screaming and crying and the dude just kept pounding away. Armed with this tape, they were able to get the LE, the neighbors and the Courts to put the guy in jail and the couple got paid some money too. I think this is how the situation in the video should have been handled, but then again, I don't know the full situation or events that led up to the shooting. I just think that trying to justify shooting an unarmed, KNOWN neighbor, being a bully or not, to death is a bit extreme! Armchairing is easy, I am just glad I didn't and don't have to deal with these things.

What you forgotten is that the victim can be killed in that situation. So can his family too. Punches can kill. Honestly from what you describe he was lucky to survived.

raktrak · December 27, 2005, 09:14 PM

I would say he used the whole 5 gallon bucket of whip-ass on the BULLY.It solved the problem but was definitely a bad move to film it. BULLIES BEWARE !!!!!

springmom · December 28, 2005, 12:51 AM

I have to get those new glasses after the first of the year, once our FSA account reactivates.

I thought the thread title was "...guy shoots BELLY on his front porch"...

"I'm the only one on this porch professional enough to.... BANG!"

Too much asthma meds in ME tonight, that's obvious....!

Springmom

joab · December 28, 2005, 05:59 PM

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Looks like a homicide to me.

Well it is definetly a homocide since a person was killed by another.
Filming it makes it murder or at least manslaughter.

Now the jury gets to see a man seemingly laying in wait for another to step on his porch so he can pump four rounds into him before any semblance of a violent threat is made
And then go on to taunt him as he lays crying and dying.
A vivid image that is going to sway the jury far more than anything that the defendant can say about past abuses by the victim to try to salvage his image

okiejack · December 28, 2005, 10:07 PM

"_____Filming it makes it murder or at least manslaughter._"

Premeditated murder! I don't think manslaughter can be premeditated.

Pointer · January 2, 2006, 04:51 PM

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I've always wondered how getting hit with 200, 300,400,500 ft/lbs of energy from a bullet CAN'T send you backwords (kind of like in the movies)

Try to push a man over with the point of fencing foil... (A pointy sword)

No matter how fast the foil moves...
No matter how heavy the foil is...
No matter how much driving force behind the foil...

It will only poke a hole...

Resistance like armor, bone or defensive vests...
MIGHT cause the target to stagger and even fall backward...

BUT nothing like the "Hollywood" impact would come to mind.

This principle applies with swords and bullets.

It does not apply to cannonballs...

Oni · January 2, 2006, 10:22 PM

Perhaps if the bullet, or foil for any matter, struck a bone(say your shoulder ball joint) it would push you back a bit harder than it hitting you in a soft fleshy organ filled area. I can't imagine that causing a person to fly backwards and hit the ground or wall hard, but a thought nonethless .

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Originally Posted by Pointer

Resistance like armor, bone or defensive vests...
MIGHT cause the target to stagger and even fall backward...

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Pointer beat me to the posting this.

PzGren · January 3, 2006, 09:30 AM

Why couldn't the shooter just fight back fairly? They were about the same size.
What a cowardly murderer!!!

HOKIEHUNTER · January 3, 2006, 09:45 PM

shooting day minus 1:
Bully: next time i come up here i'm gonna shoot you and rape your wife

morning of shoot:

"bullied" sets up camera in and video in case bully comes on porch so he can show bully pulled first

Bully (off camera): I got my 9 in pocket pocket and I'm gonna shoot your b**** a** and F*** you girl

Bullied (nervous and pumped full of adrenaline):
(shots fired)
starts taunting...

what if that was the TRUE scenario. what if the guy said he was coming on to your porch to kill you this time and rape your wife / gf / sister? you cant tell but in the video it looks like the bully could have been reaching in his pocket with his right hand. not many if any of us know what we'd do in a moment of pure adrenaline. all i know if some a-hole came on my porch and made such threats (or if he acted on them) i'd probably be tempted to shoot him too. if he HAD raped a loved one of mine you better dang well believe I'd be taunting him.

all that said i don't know the full situation. that video doesnt show enough, and doesnt bode to well for the guy.

joab · January 3, 2006, 10:16 PM

What if the guy was a Jehova's Witness that came around once too often?.
What if he was a neighbor tired of the guy's dog crapping on his lawn and was bringing the latest pile of offerings back?
What if he was coming over to talk to him about possibly not peeping on his daughter in the bathroom again?
What if he was coming over to complain about giving the neighbor kid $19 for crack and getting ripped off?
What if he was coming over to return the racoon feeder he stole last week?

We can what if it to death.
The jury saw the same thing we did along with whatever sob story the shooter came up with and apparentl came to the same conclusion most of us have,
Bad shoot

PzGren · January 4, 2006, 10:31 AM

What if....what if...

What if somebody is afraid of a fight? Call the cops, do not murder somebody!

This was no fight, it was a little [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] feeling power the first time in his life. And probably the last time because in prison, the weak are just prey.

Better to spit out a few teeth and live righteous than being a murderer and coward.

Spanish · January 4, 2006, 12:16 PM

"Now the jury gets to see a man seemingly laying in wait for another to step on his porch so he can pump four rounds into him before any semblance of a violent threat is made
And then go on to taunt him as he lays crying and dying.
A vivid image that is going to sway the jury far more than anything that the defendant can say about past abuses by the victim to try to salvage his image"

+1
very well said.

Derius_T · January 5, 2006, 03:51 PM

Without knowing the full story its hard to say, but from the evidence shown in the video, it looks like its been pre-meditated. Very bad.....

December 27, 2005, 09:14 PM	#28
raktrak Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2005 Posts: 138	shooting the BULLY I would say he used the whole 5 gallon bucket of whip-ass on the BULLY.It solved the problem but was definitely a bad move to film it. BULLIES BEWARE !!!!!

December 28, 2005, 12:51 AM	#29
springmom Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2005 Location: Houston area Posts: 1,823	all right, that's it I have to get those new glasses after the first of the year, once our FSA account reactivates. I thought the thread title was "...guy shoots BELLY on his front porch"... "I'm the only one on this porch professional enough to.... BANG!" Too much asthma meds in ME tonight, that's obvious....! Springmom __________________ I will not be a victim home on the web: www.panagia-icons.net (my webpage) www.nousfromspring.blogspot.com (Orthodoxy) "I couldn't hear you. Stop firing the gun while you're talking!" Frank Drebin, The Naked Gun

January 3, 2006, 09:45 PM	#35
HOKIEHUNTER Member Join Date: May 9, 2005 Location: VA Posts: 74	shooting day minus 1: Bully: next time i come up here i'm gonna shoot you and rape your wife morning of shoot: "bullied" sets up camera in and video in case bully comes on porch so he can show bully pulled first Bully (off camera): I got my 9 in pocket pocket and I'm gonna shoot your b** a and F*** you girl Bullied (nervous and pumped full of adrenaline): (shots fired) starts taunting... what if that was the TRUE scenario. what if the guy said he was coming on to your porch to kill you this time and rape your wife / gf / sister? you cant tell but in the video it looks like the bully could have been reaching in his pocket with his right hand. not many if any of us know what we'd do in a moment of pure adrenaline. all i know if some a-hole came on my porch and made such threats (or if he acted on them) i'd probably be tempted to shoot him too. if he HAD raped a loved one of mine you better dang well believe I'd be taunting him. all that said i don't know the full situation. that video doesnt show enough, and doesnt bode to well for the guy. __________________ "Out here due justice is a bullet." John Wayne - "The Green Berets"

January 3, 2006, 10:16 PM	#36
joab Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Orl Fla Posts: 3,254	What if the guy was a Jehova's Witness that came around once too often?. What if he was a neighbor tired of the guy's dog crapping on his lawn and was bringing the latest pile of offerings back? What if he was coming over to talk to him about possibly not peeping on his daughter in the bathroom again? What if he was coming over to complain about giving the neighbor kid $19 for crack and getting ripped off? What if he was coming over to return the racoon feeder he stole last week? We can what if it to death. The jury saw the same thing we did along with whatever sob story the shooter came up with and apparentl came to the same conclusion most of us have, Bad shoot __________________ Joab the Bugman Founding member- Lords of Pomposity It's a Yankee Doodle thing Last edited by joab; January 4, 2006 at 06:51 PM.

December 28, 2005, 10:07 PM	#31
okiejack Member Join Date: December 26, 2005 Location: SEOklahoma Posts: 78	"_____Filming it makes it murder or at least manslaughter._" Premeditated murder! I don't think manslaughter can be premeditated.

January 3, 2006, 09:30 AM	#34
PzGren Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2001 Posts: 1,260	Why couldn't the shooter just fight back fairly? They were about the same size. What a cowardly murderer!!!

January 4, 2006, 10:31 AM	#37
PzGren Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2001 Posts: 1,260	What if....what if... What if somebody is afraid of a fight? Call the cops, do not murder somebody! This was no fight, it was a little [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] feeling power the first time in his life. And probably the last time because in prison, the weak are just prey. Better to spit out a few teeth and live righteous than being a murderer and coward.

January 4, 2006, 12:16 PM	#38
Spanish Junior Member Join Date: October 28, 2005 Posts: 11	"Now the jury gets to see a man seemingly laying in wait for another to step on his porch so he can pump four rounds into him before any semblance of a violent threat is made And then go on to taunt him as he lays crying and dying. A vivid image that is going to sway the jury far more than anything that the defendant can say about past abuses by the victim to try to salvage his image" +1 very well said.

January 5, 2006, 03:51 PM	#39
Derius_T Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2004 Location: South West OHIO (boondocks) Posts: 1,337	Without knowing the full story its hard to say, but from the evidence shown in the video, it looks like its been pre-meditated. Very bad.....