|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
February 19, 2010, 02:06 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 31, 2009
Posts: 153
|
What's the difference between 300 win mag and 300 weatherby Mag
I know a little bit about the 300 win mag but not real familar with the Weatherby Mag. Is there that much difference? The reason I am asking is that I can get a used Remington 700 .300 Weatherby Mag with slighty scratched woodstock no scope for $299.00 Or I can get a Salvage 111 .300 Win. Mag. 349.00. The 111 is what I have been looking for but I have heard sonme good thing about the 700.
Thanks in advance for any reply's |
February 19, 2010, 02:12 PM | #2 |
Member
Join Date: February 5, 2010
Posts: 94
|
Ya the 700 is good but I wouldn't expect it to be any better than the Savage. The .300 Weatherby is basically just more powder, so a slightly heavier .30 caliber magnum charge. It's a great round, but I'd have to ask myself if it's in reality any better at all than the .300 winmag, which can kill anything in North America with ease. The Weatherby will shoot a little flatter, go a little faster, and carry a little more force. The downside is more recoil/noise than the .300 winmag. Also ammo is not nearly as widespread for it.
|
February 19, 2010, 02:29 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 6, 2008
Posts: 1,777
|
The ammo in plenty widespread in country in which it shines (Wyoming)...
|
February 19, 2010, 02:30 PM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 7, 2008
Location: Shelby, MT
Posts: 1,013
|
Chuck Yeager described the 300 WBY as the perfect elk round.
The difference in performance between the Win and WBY is pretty small. Some people like the WBY for the longer neck, but the Winchester version has proven itself to be plenty accurate, despite it's short neck. The WBY ammo will be a good bit more $, unless you handload. Then the difference will be nil. So, the 50 bucks you save with the Remington will be negated very quickly unless you handload. However, I am a 300 WBY fan, as well as a 700 fan, and I handload. The choice would be a no brainer for me.... |
February 19, 2010, 03:15 PM | #5 |
Member
Join Date: February 5, 2010
Posts: 94
|
Ammo might be more widespread in places, but I'd bet that there's no place in North America that normally carries more 300 weatherby mag ammo than 300 winmag. But don't let that stop you. If you're going to casually use it to hunt a few times a year, you'll be going through 2 or 3 boxes anyways, so it's no big deal. If you're going to really get to know it, you'll prolly be handloading anyways. But the ability to go to any sporting store and pick up a box of cheap ammo is a plus for any gun, if just for the brass.
|
February 19, 2010, 03:54 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 31, 2009
Posts: 153
|
Thanks for the help. Now I see why the Rem. 700 is so cheap. The price of ammo is more then I would have first thought. Hornady was the cheapest at 45.00 for 20 So due to ammo cost I guess I will pay a little extra for the Savage 111.
|
February 19, 2010, 04:07 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 7, 2008
Location: Shelby, MT
Posts: 1,013
|
OK now tell us where this $300 Remington is.............
Please. |
February 19, 2010, 04:09 PM | #8 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 29, 2008
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,053
|
Quote:
__________________
There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." - General George Patton Jr Last edited by Big Bill; February 19, 2010 at 04:19 PM. |
|
February 19, 2010, 04:53 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 31, 2009
Posts: 153
|
uncyboo It's at a pawn shop in Concord North Carolina. I may still get it. but I am leaningmore towards the Savage.
|
February 19, 2010, 09:00 PM | #10 |
Member
Join Date: February 22, 2009
Posts: 15
|
win mag or wby mag
I can tell you one thing, the Weatherby magnum will not only rattle your teeth, it will curl your toes with its recoil. The recoil of the .300 win. mag. is considerably less than that of the Weatherby magnum and the difference in the performance is not enough to justify punishing yourself to that extent.
Just one man's opinion that has shot both and hunted with a Remington 700 in .300 win. mag. for about 26 years now. Besides, I've heard that the new Savages are fine shooting rifles and wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.
__________________
So many guns, so little time! |
February 19, 2010, 09:48 PM | #11 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 6, 2008
Posts: 1,777
|
^^^
No whining.... It's not that much more recoil than a win mag..... |
February 19, 2010, 09:53 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 8, 2009
Location: Alabama
Posts: 115
|
300 Weatherby,you want be disappointed! Its a confidence builder when you know you have the best...Recoil is near same...Much faster!...and a lot flatter..
__________________
"Happy to be here" |
February 20, 2010, 12:15 AM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 13, 2009
Location: central Wisconsin
Posts: 2,324
|
But now Hornady is making .300 WM ammo that matches .300 Weatherby....
Superperformance .300 WM data. http://www.hornady.com/store/300-Win...Superformance/ Normal .300 Weatherby data. http://www.hornady.com/store/300-Wea...-gr-InterBond/ |
February 20, 2010, 12:19 AM | #14 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 12, 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4,728
|
Quote:
About twice what the equivalent .300 Win Mag ammo goes for I think.
__________________
NRA Member NC Hunter's Education Instructor PCCA Member (What's PCCA you ask? <- Check the link) |
|
February 20, 2010, 01:41 AM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 6, 2008
Posts: 1,777
|
The full power stuff is the weatherby factory ammo...
Compare the 180 grain superformance hornady stuff to 180 weatherby factory ammo... Hornady: 3120 Weatherby (Norma): 3250 Most commercial 180 grain .300 win mag ammo is around 2960 FPS.... |
February 20, 2010, 03:55 AM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: February 13, 2006
Location: Washington state
Posts: 15,248
|
I use a rule of thumb: any load for the 300 Win Mag, the Weatherby will beat by 200-300 fps. Takes 10% more powder to gain 5% more velocity. If the 300 Weatherby is worth the extra recoil and noise to you, it does shoot pretty flat. 300 Rem Ultra Mag runs about the same velocity.
__________________
Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services |
February 20, 2010, 04:49 AM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 5, 2007
Location: Billings,MT
Posts: 277
|
I have reloaded and used both 300 WM, and 300WBY. With bullet weights 180gr and under the difference is really insignificant. The longer case neck allows the Weatherby to seat and chamber longer heavier bullets and fire them faster. I am and always have been fascinated by the highest intensity rounds. I started reloading for 7mag and 300WM in 1976. I now reload for 300WBY, 340WBY, 6.5x55, 223, and 44MAG. I haven't tried the Hornady brass, but know the Norma made Weatherby brass to be much superior to the Rem brass which I have tried and is not durable at the pressures that Wby factory brass can be loaded to. My latest favorite load is the 190gr Hornady JSPBT, at 3100fps, chronoed. If you are going to reload you would be best served and satisfied going with the 300WBY,IMO.
Last edited by handlerer; February 20, 2010 at 05:22 PM. |
February 20, 2010, 08:23 AM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 27, 2009
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 320
|
Looking at the ballistics you find the Weatherby uses a lot more powder to get a little more velocity and this is more true with heavier bullets, 180s and up. This extra powder which is not producing energy in the bullet causes substantially more recoil. I'd go with the Winchester magnum. Weatherby is notorious for overstating their velocities. Look in loading manuals for honest information.
|
February 20, 2010, 08:27 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 20, 2009
Location: Lowcountry
Posts: 373
|
Perfect elk round?
I guess I will take the 30-06 with half the amount of recoil not loss in hunting accuracy and enough effective range that 98% of all hunters would not be able to extend ethically with the 300 Weatherby.
__________________
I say take off the warning labels and let them sort themselves out. |
February 20, 2010, 10:02 AM | #20 |
Junior member
Join Date: July 1, 2008
Location: South Florida
Posts: 537
|
Both
For that price I'd have to buy both.
|
February 20, 2010, 11:34 AM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 18, 2005
Posts: 1,276
|
If you are going to shoot 180gr bullets, get a .30-06...My son has a Model 70 in .300 Win Mag. We reload for it using 200gr Sierra bullets. When we go to the range, he will shoot it 3 or 4 times then put it away. And he weighs 215lbs.
|
February 20, 2010, 12:36 PM | #22 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 7, 2008
Location: Shelby, MT
Posts: 1,013
|
Quote:
|
|
February 20, 2010, 02:16 PM | #23 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 7, 2008
Location: Shelby, MT
Posts: 1,013
|
Quote:
|
|
February 20, 2010, 05:10 PM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: October 5, 2007
Location: Billings,MT
Posts: 277
|
The loading manuals are always conservative, I have dozens of them and I can beat anything they show with my own handloads. Yes, Weatherby or any 30 cal magnum cartridge has considerable recoil. My 16 year old son, all 130lbs of him, fires 16-20 rounds through the 300 and has never complained about the recoil, he gets very good groups too. My point is you can learn to accommodate recoil, with practice. Having reloaded both, I find the WBY superior ballistically in every way. I have taken two large mule deer with the WBY using 180gr Triple shocks and the results are devastating! Neither moved a yard. The brass is cheaper for the 300WM, but also inferior to the Norma brass, you will get fewer reloads using WM brass, unless you use milder loads than possible. All said though, there is isn't enough difference to make an issue over, both will perform on any large game on this continent.
|
February 20, 2010, 05:25 PM | #25 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: May 27, 2004
Posts: 2,745
|
Quote:
__________________
“Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.” Niels Bohr |
||
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|