Another sign of the times.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · November 22, 2012, 09:00 AM

Talk from other web sites. It appears for the time being Remington is slimming the ranks of their brass and bullet components offered in their catalog. (35 Rem Brass is history according to Natchez) Been also mention by a few other gentleman Remington is getting out of the component business altogether. Its a rumor yet. We'll all have wait and see.

603Country · November 22, 2012, 10:24 AM

Like most big corporations, they would most likely spin off that division rather than close it down and scrap the equipment. Somebody else would probably acquire it and run it. In my own experience with small and large companies, the larger they are the less efficiently they generally are run. In an attempt to spread out evergrowing corporate overhead, they push cost on to all divisions. That often makes a small marginal operation appear to be unprofitable. When that small and seemingly unprofitable operation goes to a small, lean, and efficient new owner, they again can turn very profitable.

Waldog · November 22, 2012, 10:31 AM

Maybe Remington is preparing for a move. Remington warned the Governor that if N.Y. passed a mandatory micro-stamping law, they would close up shop and move to a free state. Who knows?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ostamping-laws

Salmoneye · November 22, 2012, 11:31 AM

The Remington website catalogs no brass whatsoever as components...

They also dropped .358" Core-Lokts, and .308" Bronze Tips as components...

They are still cataloging loaded ammo with these bullets...

wncchester · November 22, 2012, 02:38 PM

Sounds like another opportunity for Hodgedon to step in, buy cheap and then show conventional American MBA corporate management how to turn a profit (not that the MBAs would learn anything).

myg30 · November 22, 2012, 09:50 PM

Its a shame if they drop the core loks. Those .358 are a part of history, they worked extreamly well before all the super hi tech, high dollar new fancy killer bullets they sell these days. Plain old lead just wont kill any thing any more.

Mike

Sure Shot Mc Gee · November 22, 2012, 11:04 PM

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Plain old lead just wont kill any thing any more.

I~~don't know about that. _

That's a bold statement there myg30. _

jimbob86 · November 22, 2012, 11:54 PM

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Plain old (jacketed) lead just wont kill any thing any more.

Eldest Daughter disproved that twice this deer season, as did I and my nephew ..... 4 deer in 3 days, no fancy bonded/all copper/GMX/Partition/whatever bullets .... just Interlocks and Power
Points.

Salmoneye · November 23, 2012, 05:34 AM

I have to correct myself...

When I looked it seems Rem was in a transition on their website, and now brass is showing, but can be 'weird' to find...

No more .35 Rem brass listed though...No Core-Lokt .358" bullets, and no .308" Bronze-Point bullets as components...

I apologize for the misstatement...

Kevin Rohrer · November 23, 2012, 06:14 PM

Less popular brass only gets made at certain times.

I only have 1500-rounds of .221 FB; maybe I should order another 1000-rounds...

FrankenMauser · November 23, 2012, 11:46 PM

Remington is NOT getting out of the component business.
This has been discussed multiple times, lately.
It's just a ridiculous rumor, perpetuated by people that feel wronged when they see their favorite components out of stock or on a long backorder.

The worst thing Remington will do with .35 Remington brass, is put it on the "seasonal run" list. That means... pretty much nothing.
Other cartridges/cases on the "seasonal run" list include (but are not limited to):
.35 Whelen
.350 Remington Magnum
.30-40 Krag
.303 British
.32 Winchester Special
9.3x62mm
7x64mm

For most of those, that just means they need enough distributor/retailer orders to justify running the brass (including brass destined for loaded ammunition). In the case of .30-40 Krag, that means they need a minimum order of 125,000 pieces to get scheduled for production and the minimum run will be 150,000 pieces (and, I believe, a minimum of 100,000 cases must be for loaded ammunition). Each cartridge has its own threshold, but everything I have inquired about (talking directly to a Remington production manager) was between 125,000 pieces and 250,000 pieces for a minimum run.

Even the "lowly" and unpopular .30-40 Krag gets run almost every year (twice in 2010 and a follow-up in early 2011), so I don't think .35 Remington would have any problems hitting the threshold. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say .35 Remington's threshold would be 150k-175k.

Marco Califo · November 24, 2012, 11:18 PM

Sounds like McD's was also serving not-so-Happy Meals

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I do like Rem 9mm FMJ, but between Hornady and Sierra, I won't lose sleep if their bullets become less available.

chiefr · November 25, 2012, 10:10 AM

Concur entirely with FRANKENMAUSER!
As I have contact with folks who work at the REM plant, I can say certain cases, components, and loaded ammo is made in batches and maybe once or twice a year or once in 2 years.

Rem makes annual and limited runs only of less popular items to fill stocks as requested by wholesalers. Less popular cartridges such as 35 Rem, 303 Brit, 8x57 fall into that category. Winchester is no different.
When existing stock is consumed, buyers must live with the law of supply and demand until a new run in manufactured.

On the flip side, popular components such as 308, 223 are in constant production.

kraigwy · November 25, 2012, 10:20 AM

Supply and demand, or in this case demand drives supply.

How many people shoot 35 Rem compared to 308s?

How many people load for 30-40 compared to 30-06?

Now which would you carry on your shelves if you were selling brass?

Sure Shot Mc Gee · November 25, 2012, 12:51 PM

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How many people shoot 35 Rem compared to 308s?
How many people load for 30-40 compared to 30-06?
Now which would you carry on your shelves if you were selling brass?

Good point. Except when you talk to those owners who's firearms are affected by the shortage.

I would like to see the munitions manufactures in this country give at least one years public notice before their discontinuance of a cartridge or major component of the same. This is a convenience they owe there loyal buying public.

FrankenMauser · November 25, 2012, 03:20 PM

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I would like to see the munitions manufactures in this country give at least one years public notice before their discontinuance of a cartridge or major component of the same. This is a convenience they owe there loyal buying public.

They owe consumers nothing.

Remington deals with two basic situations for brass drawing, based on distributor/retailer orders:
1. Remington draws brass. Distributor buys brass. Retailer buys brass. Consumer buys brass. Remington draws more brass. The cycle repeats. Everyone is happy.

2. Remington draws brass. Distributor buys brass. Retailer buys brass, but it sits on their shelves. Consumers aren't buying it. Distributor doesn't order any more brass. Remington doesn't draw any more brass, until the distributor(s) order it.

It is the consumer/reloader that tells the component manufacturers what they want, by buying it when it's available. If no one buys it, it's clearly not worth making any more (at least not for a while).

Remington owes the consumers nothing, because the consumers have already sent their message that they don't want the product (or only want it occasionally).

As kraigwy said -
Demand drives supply; not the other way around.

Sure Shot Mc Gee · November 25, 2012, 05:52 PM

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Remington owes the consumers nothing, because the consumers have already sent their message that they don't want the product (or only want it occasionally).

I see no need to get into a discussion over our differences in opinions concerning Remington's business practices. Irregardless of we think should or should not be. What's done is done!!

**Unclenick** · November 27, 2012, 04:55 PM

Given its curious propensity to get people's incivility up, I suspect this thread needs to go to sleep.

November 22, 2012, 09:00 AM	#1
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	Another sign of the times. Talk from other web sites. It appears for the time being Remington is slimming the ranks of their brass and bullet components offered in their catalog. (35 Rem Brass is history according to Natchez) Been also mention by a few other gentleman Remington is getting out of the component business altogether. Its a rumor yet. We'll all have wait and see.

November 22, 2012, 10:31 AM	#3
Waldog Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2007 Location: SOCAL Posts: 359	Maybe Remington is preparing for a move. Remington warned the Governor that if N.Y. passed a mandatory micro-stamping law, they would close up shop and move to a free state. Who knows? http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ostamping-laws __________________ I am the Christian Conservative that CNN warned you about!! “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.” Winston Churchill Last edited by Waldog; November 22, 2012 at 01:12 PM.

November 23, 2012, 06:14 PM	#10
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	Less popular brass only gets made at certain times. I only have 1500-rounds of .221 FB; maybe I should order another 1000-rounds... __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer

November 23, 2012, 11:46 PM	#11
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Remington is NOT getting out of the component business. This has been discussed multiple times, lately. It's just a ridiculous rumor, perpetuated by people that feel wronged when they see their favorite components out of stock or on a long backorder. The worst thing Remington will do with .35 Remington brass, is put it on the "seasonal run" list. That means... pretty much nothing. Other cartridges/cases on the "seasonal run" list include (but are not limited to): .35 Whelen .350 Remington Magnum .30-40 Krag .303 British .32 Winchester Special 9.3x62mm 7x64mm For most of those, that just means they need enough distributor/retailer orders to justify running the brass (including brass destined for loaded ammunition). In the case of .30-40 Krag, that means they need a minimum order of 125,000 pieces to get scheduled for production and the minimum run will be 150,000 pieces (and, I believe, a minimum of 100,000 cases must be for loaded ammunition). Each cartridge has its own threshold, but everything I have inquired about (talking directly to a Remington production manager) was between 125,000 pieces and 250,000 pieces for a minimum run. Even the "lowly" and unpopular .30-40 Krag gets run almost every year (twice in 2010 and a follow-up in early 2011), so I don't think .35 Remington would have any problems hitting the threshold. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say .35 Remington's threshold would be 150k-175k. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

November 24, 2012, 11:18 PM	#12
Marco Califo Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2011 Location: LA (Greater Los Angeles Area) Posts: 2,598	Hmmm Sounds like McD's was also serving not-so-Happy Meals. I do like Rem 9mm FMJ, but between Hornady and Sierra, I won't lose sleep if their bullets become less available. __________________ ............ Last edited by Marco Califo; November 25, 2012 at 08:39 PM.

November 22, 2012, 10:24 AM	#2
603Country Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Location: Thornton, Texas Posts: 3,998	Like most big corporations, they would most likely spin off that division rather than close it down and scrap the equipment. Somebody else would probably acquire it and run it. In my own experience with small and large companies, the larger they are the less efficiently they generally are run. In an attempt to spread out evergrowing corporate overhead, they push cost on to all divisions. That often makes a small marginal operation appear to be unprofitable. When that small and seemingly unprofitable operation goes to a small, lean, and efficient new owner, they again can turn very profitable.

November 22, 2012, 11:31 AM	#4
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	The Remington website catalogs no brass whatsoever as components... They also dropped .358" Core-Lokts, and .308" Bronze Tips as components... They are still cataloging loaded ammo with these bullets...

November 22, 2012, 02:38 PM	#5
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	Sounds like another opportunity for Hodgedon to step in, buy cheap and then show conventional American MBA corporate management how to turn a profit (not that the MBAs would learn anything).

November 22, 2012, 09:50 PM	#6
myg30 Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Winchester, TN. Posts: 52	Its a shame if they drop the core loks. Those .358 are a part of history, they worked extreamly well before all the super hi tech, high dollar new fancy killer bullets they sell these days. Plain old lead just wont kill any thing any more. Mike

November 23, 2012, 05:34 AM	#9
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	I have to correct myself... When I looked it seems Rem was in a transition on their website, and now brass is showing, but can be 'weird' to find... No more .35 Rem brass listed though...No Core-Lokt .358" bullets, and no .308" Bronze-Point bullets as components... I apologize for the misstatement...

November 25, 2012, 10:10 AM	#13
chiefr Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2010 Location: AR Posts: 1,401	Concur entirely with FRANKENMAUSER! As I have contact with folks who work at the REM plant, I can say certain cases, components, and loaded ammo is made in batches and maybe once or twice a year or once in 2 years. Rem makes annual and limited runs only of less popular items to fill stocks as requested by wholesalers. Less popular cartridges such as 35 Rem, 303 Brit, 8x57 fall into that category. Winchester is no different. When existing stock is consumed, buyers must live with the law of supply and demand until a new run in manufactured. On the flip side, popular components such as 308, 223 are in constant production.

November 25, 2012, 10:20 AM	#14
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Supply and demand, or in this case demand drives supply. How many people shoot 35 Rem compared to 308s? How many people load for 30-40 compared to 30-06? Now which would you carry on your shelves if you were selling brass? __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

November 27, 2012, 04:55 PM	#18
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,060	Given its curious propensity to get people's incivility up, I suspect this thread needs to go to sleep. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

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