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December 10, 2013, 01:51 AM | #27 |
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If it's staying inside the city limits then it's not legal to hunt.
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Would you shoot it?
No I wouldn't. Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy seeing wildlife up close from the comfort of my home. So, any deer that hang around my place wouldn't become a target. Heck, I've had some by my back door that I could whack with a broom handle, but I don't bother them. Besides, it wouldn't be legal in any case.
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As pictured, standing on a RR track in town, absolutely not. If I was deer hunting and he happened by my stand, I would nail him.
People who enjoy treating wildlife as pets should go out into the wildlife habitat to to their viewing. This is safer for wildlife and for humans. Sometimes deer wander through my subdivision and meander from house to house, probably looking for food. Sometimes they crash thorough patio windows and gallop through homes. Once I saw a large buck standing on a neighbor's front porch down the street. I often wonder what reaction the homeowner would have if he opened the door expecting someone else and saw bucky standing there. Deer are definitely not meant to be pets.
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No!!! i don't shoot deer that are town pets.
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I'm amused by selective ethics.
It's either ethical to shoot a deer for eating purposes or it isn't. No matter how many people think that thing is a "pet", a great many folks with similar opinions have been proven wrong in very painful ways. It's a wild animal. Just because it's not afraid of people anymore doesn't mean there's some new moral code introduced that prohibits shooting it. How does effort or the animals stupidity factor into the ethics of shooting it? Who decided that it only counts if it takes a certain number of hours or if you have to try hard enough? Is that kid who walks into the woods on his first day of hunting and 15 minutes later has the 10 point standing in front of him supposed to pass on it because it wasn't hard enough for him? I participate in a hunting program that's run by Cornell University. The first couple of years we hunted, many of the deer in some areas paid no attention whatsoever to people. One time, I had a doe and hers fawns within 15 feet of my stand. I had a new rest on the bow that a friend wanted me to try. I didn't like it and it didn't contain the arrow. The arrow fell off the rest when I drew. She heard the arrow hit the riser and looked up at me. I couldn't get the arrow back on the rest so I had to let down. She stood there looking at me. I reached out, put the arrow back on the rest, drew the bow again and shot her. Guess I shouldn't have shot her since I'm sure someone thought she was a "pet". Oddly enough, she tasted just like every other deer I've ever eaten.
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I'm sure for every one of us that claims we would not shoot the animal, there is some one out there that would, just because it's easy and they can. These same hunters would either brag about shootin' the "pet" deer before someone else did or make up some wild story about how they stalked it for hours. The type of hunter one wants to portray to others is entirely up to them. Your choice. |
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More selective ethics. You get enjoyment from killing a wild animal you're ok, you get enjoyment from killing a tame animal you're sick. Or does being happy when you shoot one just mean you're sick no matter what?
Appeasement, eh? Don't shoot it or the anti's will be mad. Yeah, they're pretty mad already. Rather than agreeing with them, I'd rather tell them to get real. It's not a pet. It's a wild animal. It makes no difference if they think it's Bambi or not. It isn't. Shooting it under legal hunting conditions is no different than shooting ANY other animal under legal conditions. Where is this line, exactly? I keep hearing so much about it from all kinds of different angles. If an animal isn't wild enough, or if you don't stalk it far enough or you hunt from tree stands or if your shots are too long. We need a book with all the rules. You're not a real hunter unless: 1)You don't hunt from a stand 2)You don't shoot over 100 yards 3)You don't shoot animals that like people How many more are there? You're a sick, psychopath is you: 1)Shoot animals for any reason other than food. etc etc Please.
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I suppose if you don't know how to hunt or don't have a decent place to hunt it would make some sense to take whatever you could. But, apparently for most of us it would not be interesting, satisfying, challenging, or whatever, at all.
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If they're lacking certain minerals in their diet, they've been known to eat everything from car tires, to weatherstripping, to plastic body panels, and even the paint (scraping it off with their teeth). In one of the places that I lived in Florida, there was a gated community just over the fence from me, where one of my friends lived. They had a small herd of the tiny little Florida Coastal Whitetails that had taken up the habit of chewing on the fake, plastic storm shutters on all of the houses, and had damaged several of the community's covered gazebos. After a few months, and many thousands of dollars in damages, the HOA that had previously protected the deer quietly arranged for the local rednecks (on my street) to "make the deer go away" as soon as deer season opened. The residents complained that the deer were gone, but NONE of them complained that their houses and community property weren't being damaged any more. Stupid deer = Easy meat!
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I guess I'm supposed to shoot deer now because I'm afraid of them.
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What does a hang-around buck have to do with eating deer meat?
I like just sitting and watching wild critters. It's as enjoyable for me as going to a museum or watching a sporting event of some sort. Since the world is full of deer who do the hide-or-run thing, having a volunteer to show up and be looked at seems like a neat thing. So why shoot him and wipe out the enjoyment? And not just for me, but for others as well? I dunno. I like seeing folks smiling a lot more than I like seeing boredom or frowns. Personally, I see shooting that particular buck in the described circumstance as the shooter's having an attitude of, "Ha, ha, ha, I sure rained on your parade!" Lord knows I love hunting, and deer meat is yummy-tasty. But this particular situation? 'Scuse me, this old redneck will pass that deal. |
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I haven't the slightest issue with choosing to not shoot this buck if you could.
I probably wouldn't be interested, though if they opened a hunting program as they did with Cornell, due to severe over-population problems, and that deer walked by I'd shoot it. That's a different scenario than trying to find a way to meet this particular deer in one spot that just happens to be legal and then shooting him and bragging about it. The issue I have is the implication that it's somehow unethical to shoot it. Given a big bucks range, there's good chance that this guy wanders onto huntable land and probably a good chance that some of the people who hunt that land have no idea that this wild animal is someone (or a whole town's) adopted "pet". I worked with a guy once who hunted an area about 25 miles from his home. Opening day of deer season one year, he or his father (I don't recall which) shot a piebald deer. On the way home, the stopped at the town diner. Before they had even been served, someone walks in and says "Hey! Who shot that deer out on that truck!?" Long story short, the owner of the diner refused to serve them and they were all but run out of town. Turns out the town had "adopted" that deer. People had food piles in their yards for it. That's illegal in NY State, BTW. The guy I worked with had no idea. He didn't know anyone knew the deer existed. He had no idea if it were tame or not tame. He saw it and shot it. Suddenly it's a huge ethical issue, he's a bad guy, whole town hates him. It's just crazy, IMO.
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I am just a meat hunter. That thing would be going straight to the freezer and table.
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But that is not the case in this scenario. We know from the start, it is the town pet and we are asked if we would shoot it, fully aware of the fact. In previous similar threads I have told two stories of where this has happened around me, involving folks I know. Either they did the shooting or they had befriended the deer. As you stated in the above quote, in both of the other scenarios, it was perfectly legal...the problem was the huge negative impact on the local hunters by it. Thinking that the portrayal of negative images of hunting does nothing to hurt hunting opportunities is just simple denial. If a hunter, with permission to hunt a property, wrecks a fence or tears up a field because he is after deer causing crop damage, who do you think will suffer the most from the farmer next season? In one of the scenarios I brought up in previous threads was the shooting of an albino deer. Albino deer have always been protected in Wisconsin for as long as I can remember(I've been hunting deer since 1964). The exception in the last few years has been in the newly created CWD zones. In these areas hunters are allowed to take any deer and as many as they want. Just last year an out of state hunter knowingly shot a albino deer that many in the area had befriended, fed and protected. Altho it was perfectly legal, because the area was a CWD zone, it created a big stink in the area and many of the local landowners swore to reduce hunter access to their property because of it. Solely, because of all the negative media attention contributed to this one legal activity, the state has now again, just this year, put albino deer in CWD zones on the protected species list. So tell me again, tickin' off non-hunters and even hunters themselves with a negative image, has no consequences. |
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Well, someone killing a domesticated cow is not referred to as a sportsman. I would like to think that more goes with the name than just killing whatever you can kill.
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FIVE STAGES OF A HUNTER Hunters change through the years. Factors used to determine "successful hunting" change as well for each hunter. A hunter's age, role models, and his years of hunting experience affect his ideas of "success." Many hunters may fit into one of the following five groups. In 1975-1980, groups of over 1,000 hunters in Wisconsin were studied, surveyed, and written about by Professors Robert Jackson and Robert Norton, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. The results of their studies form a widely accepted theory of hunter behavior and development. Where are you now? Where would you like to be? SHOOTER STAGE The hunter talks about satisfaction with hunting being closely tied to being able to "get shooting." Often the beginning duck hunter will relate he had an excellent day if he got in a lot of shooting. The beginning deer hunter will talk about the number of shooting opportunities. Missing game means little to hunters in this phase. A beginning hunter wants to pull the trigger and test the capability of his firearm. A hunter in this stage may be a dangerous hunting partner. LIMITING OUT STAGE A hunter still talks about satisfaction gained from shooting. But what seems more important is measuring success through the killing of game and the number of birds or animals shot. Limiting out, or filling a tag, is the absolute measure. Do not let your desire to limit out be stronger than the need for safe behavior at all times. TROPHY STAGE Satisfaction is described in terms of selectivity of game. A duck hunter might take only greenheads. A deer hunter looks for one special deer. A hunter might travel far to find a real trophy animal. Shooting opportunity and skills become less important. METHOD STAGE This hunter has all the special equipment. Hunting has become one of the most important things in his life. Satisfaction comes from the method that enables the hunter to take game. Taking game is important, but second to how it is taken. This hunter will study long and hard how best to pick a blind site, lay out decoys, and call in waterfowl. A deer hunter will go one on one with a white-tailed deer, studying sign, tracking, and the life habits of the deer. Often, the hunter will handicap himself by hunting only with black powder firearms or bow and arrow. Bagging game, or limiting, still is understood as being a necessary part of the hunt during this phase. SPORTSMAN STAGE As a hunter ages and after many years of hunting, he "mellows out." Satisfaction now can be found in the total hunting experience. Being in the field, enjoying the company of friends and family, and seeing nature outweigh the need for taking game. Not all hunters go through all the stages, or go through them in that particular order. It is also possible for hunters who pursue several species of game to be in different stages with regard to each species. Some hunters feel that role models of good sportsmen, training, or reading books or magazines helped them pass more quickly through some stages. |
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