options for 30 remington brass

brasscollector · May 15, 2016, 08:46 AM

To be clear I am speaking to the old 30 remington cartridge from 1906.
A friend has a rifle passed down to him by his grandfather chambered in 30 remington. If you can find factory ammo for it you would be asked to pay over $2/round. Anyone have a reasonably affordable procedure for making brass for this chambering? I've heard of people turning down the rimmed case head of 30-30 brass and cutting in an extractor groove. Surely this is time consuming, not to mention I don't have a lathe. If not the rifle can continue to gather dust I guess, just seeing if someone had a better option.

Jim Watson · May 15, 2016, 08:54 AM

I think you have covered the situation accurately.
.30 Remington is just one of those rounds that did not stay interesting enough.
The other Remington rimless rounds, other than .35, are even worse.

Longshot4 · May 15, 2016, 12:48 PM

Try looking at the Redding web sight and their on line catalog under dies or custom Dies. I believe they can help you.

SHR970 · May 15, 2016, 01:34 PM

Keep an eye out @ Grafs. They are the most likely place for new brass to show up.

Edit to add: Lohman Arms may have some Jamison brass in stock.

T. O'Heir · May 15, 2016, 01:40 PM

The rimmed case head of .30-30 can't be turned into a rimless case. The Remington is 10 thou longer too.
Grafs is listing their own brand of brass in .30 Remington. Currently out of stock, of course. $49.99 per 50.
Buffalo Arms is listing their ammo as a Temporarily Unavailable - Back-Orders OK. However, they want $40.50 per 20 for one box. $38.88 per box when you buy 5 boxes. Dies are pretty reasonable from them, but no brass is listed. Although they do list .30 Remington as 'Discontinued by Remington' and give a price. Call 'em and ask.
Try these guys too. http://shop.reedsammo.com/main.sc
Collector ammo runs a lot more than $2 a shot. There's 9 rounds in an original Winchester box currently on Gunbroker the guy thinks is worth $80. No bids in 3 days.

briandg · May 15, 2016, 02:18 PM

I'd just like to say that getting brass at two per round beats the absolute poop out of making your own, no matter what. Fifty bucks may sound like a lot, but getting the thing back into work is worth it.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/30-Remington_c32.htm
Loaded ammo or brass.

Ammo at $55 per 2brass for $115 for 100

Maybe this helps, it will be a lot cheaper than buying equipment to make it.

brasscollector · May 15, 2016, 04:32 PM

Thank you for the link to reedsammo, I had not come across that before. He might just get loaded ammo instead of trying to assemble everything. Finding it otherwise is not likely. I believe he was more interested in just having some ammo and not necessarily volume shooting.

SHR970 · May 15, 2016, 04:36 PM

FWIW.. 30 Rem and 30-30 load data are interchangeable.

Gunplummer · May 15, 2016, 04:45 PM

Yes you can make rimless out of rimmed. I used .303 British brass to make 6.5 Arisaka for years. Made it on a lathe. I don't know for sure, but isn't the 6.8 SPC case based on the .30 Remington? Maybe something you could do there.

SHR970 · May 15, 2016, 04:50 PM

6.8 SPC is based on the 30 Rem but the case is much shorter. No love there.

condor bravo · May 15, 2016, 06:05 PM

I would like to say that the .35 Remington could be converted to .30 but the case rim is excessive. About the only other caliber with the same case rim diameter is the 6.8 rem spc but that case is too short.

briandg · May 15, 2016, 06:20 PM

I really hope that the link is helpful. It's almost certain that someone else will have it if this guy can actually provide it. If I have the time tonight I'll try to find others.

**44 AMP** · May 15, 2016, 10:57 PM

I visited a friend today, and he found an recent article there is a fellow in Texas who will convert 30-30 to .30Rem for $1 a case, plus shipping. You send him the brass, he turns it on a lathe, and sends it back

There is also an outfit in CN that will make any case you want, but they are described as "spendy" (so more than $1 each, at least).

If you want the details, let me know.

**Mike Irwin** · May 16, 2016, 10:38 AM

"The rimmed case head of .30-30 can't be turned into a rimless case."

Yes, they can.

Yes, the cases are a little short, but they still work.

hounddogman · May 16, 2016, 11:14 AM

There was a guy selling 30-30 cases that he turned into 30 rem a few months back on gun broker. You can use 30-30 dies to reload 30 rem Lee has 30 rem shell holders too, just have to call and ask at least they had some 6 months or so ago

briandg · June 9, 2016, 10:47 PM

I have located some new in box 30 rem, about seven boxes

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...p_r2j_approved

Sure Shot Mc Gee · June 9, 2016, 11:03 PM

There is a fellow on the Cast Boolits Form that goes by the name Grumpa who makes custom reasonably priced discontinued brass. You might want to contact him to see if he has any 30 Remington or 32 Remington for sale. Of all those who buy his brass on that web site. Not once have I ever read any complaints about Grumpa's products.

Gunplummer · June 10, 2016, 04:17 AM

A note about rimmed to rimless: It works, but depending what you are using, I would split the case the long way and make sure the head area is pretty close internally. Other than that it works fine. You may have to cut the rim deeper.

briandg · June 10, 2016, 07:00 AM

Made contact with him before I posted, then told him that retooled 30-30 was being considered when he messaged back again, and he now is saying that he's ready to deal.

I would personally rather have factory new cases in box than retooled, and to me, the issue would be what eventual costs would be.

**Mike Irwin** · June 10, 2016, 10:04 AM

Your facebook link doesn't work.

briandg · June 10, 2016, 02:02 PM

I checked it after I posted it and it worked

Of course it worked for me, I now realize, it was a link to my own account.

If he is interested and replies to me ill see if I can get them connected.

Tad_T · June 10, 2016, 05:19 PM

I have my grandfather's Model 81 Woodsmaster in .30 Remington. The first deer I ever killed with a rifle was killed with it in Ashley County, Arkansas.

I kept scrounging around and found a couple of dusty bags of brand new Remington brass in a little reloading shop. Then I found some more in the used/clearance room at another shop. I still have two boxes of Western Super X Silvertip and a box of Remington KleanBore that I had from back in the day. I had about 40 rounds of once fired brass.

I bought a brand new set of .30 Remington RCBS dies from Sportsman's Guide. Now I am working up some loads for it and then I will load up all of my brass and probably be set.

It's not easy to find, but there is still some .30 Remington stuff out there.

TRX · June 11, 2016, 08:20 AM

When I got my Model 8 I wasn't aware of the brass/ammo issue. I did find a box of ammo eventually, and a member on thegreatmodel8 sold me a bag of brass. RCBS had the dies.

The .30 Remington is a *nice* little cartridge. Remington made little effort to promote the .25-.30-.32 outside the Model 8/81 line, though. The only other rifle I know of chambered for one of those was the Model 30, which was a civilianized P17 Enfield. The petite little .30 was probably lost in there, considering the P17 will swallow .505 Jeffrey or .577 Tyrannosaur...

Tad_T · June 11, 2016, 06:15 PM

The Model 14/141 was also offered in .30 Remington.

**Mike Irwin** · June 12, 2016, 07:56 AM

The Standard Arms Model G was also chambered in .30 Remington (along with .25 and .35).

May 15, 2016, 08:46 AM	#1
brasscollector Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2015 Posts: 526	options for 30 remington brass To be clear I am speaking to the old 30 remington cartridge from 1906. A friend has a rifle passed down to him by his grandfather chambered in 30 remington. If you can find factory ammo for it you would be asked to pay over $2/round. Anyone have a reasonably affordable procedure for making brass for this chambering? I've heard of people turning down the rimmed case head of 30-30 brass and cutting in an extractor groove. Surely this is time consuming, not to mention I don't have a lathe. If not the rifle can continue to gather dust I guess, just seeing if someone had a better option. __________________ He may look dumb, but that's just a disguise. -Charlie Daniels Last edited by brasscollector; May 15, 2016 at 09:33 AM.

May 15, 2016, 01:34 PM	#4
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	Keep an eye out @ Grafs. They are the most likely place for new brass to show up. Edit to add: Lohman Arms may have some Jamison brass in stock. Last edited by SHR970; May 15, 2016 at 01:41 PM.

May 15, 2016, 01:40 PM	#5
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	The rimmed case head of .30-30 can't be turned into a rimless case. The Remington is 10 thou longer too. Grafs is listing their own brand of brass in .30 Remington. Currently out of stock, of course. $49.99 per 50. Buffalo Arms is listing their ammo as a Temporarily Unavailable - Back-Orders OK. However, they want $40.50 per 20 for one box. $38.88 per box when you buy 5 boxes. Dies are pretty reasonable from them, but no brass is listed. Although they do list .30 Remington as 'Discontinued by Remington' and give a price. Call 'em and ask. Try these guys too. http://shop.reedsammo.com/main.sc Collector ammo runs a lot more than $2 a shot. There's 9 rounds in an original Winchester box currently on Gunbroker the guy thinks is worth $80. No bids in 3 days. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

May 15, 2016, 02:18 PM	#6
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I'd just like to say that getting brass at two per round beats the absolute poop out of making your own, no matter what. Fifty bucks may sound like a lot, but getting the thing back into work is worth it. http://shop.reedsammo.com/30-Remington_c32.htm Loaded ammo or brass. Ammo at $55 per 2brass for $115 for 100 Maybe this helps, it will be a lot cheaper than buying equipment to make it. __________________ None.

May 15, 2016, 04:32 PM	#7
brasscollector Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2015 Posts: 526	Thank you for the link to reedsammo, I had not come across that before. He might just get loaded ammo instead of trying to assemble everything. Finding it otherwise is not likely. I believe he was more interested in just having some ammo and not necessarily volume shooting. __________________ He may look dumb, but that's just a disguise. -Charlie Daniels

May 15, 2016, 08:54 AM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,541	I think you have covered the situation accurately. .30 Remington is just one of those rounds that did not stay interesting enough. The other Remington rimless rounds, other than .35, are even worse.

May 15, 2016, 12:48 PM	#3
Longshot4 Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2014 Posts: 868	Try looking at the Redding web sight and their on line catalog under dies or custom Dies. I believe they can help you.

May 15, 2016, 04:36 PM	#8
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	FWIW.. 30 Rem and 30-30 load data are interchangeable.

May 15, 2016, 04:45 PM	#9
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	Yes you can make rimless out of rimmed. I used .303 British brass to make 6.5 Arisaka for years. Made it on a lathe. I don't know for sure, but isn't the 6.8 SPC case based on the .30 Remington? Maybe something you could do there.

May 15, 2016, 04:50 PM	#10
SHR970 Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Posts: 1,427	6.8 SPC is based on the 30 Rem but the case is much shorter. No love there.

May 15, 2016, 06:05 PM	#11
condor bravo Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2014 Location: Nevada/Ariz/CA Posts: 1,753	I would like to say that the .35 Remington could be converted to .30 but the case rim is excessive. About the only other caliber with the same case rim diameter is the 6.8 rem spc but that case is too short. __________________ Ouch, the dreaded "M-1 thumb", you just know it will happen eventually, so why not do it now and get it over with?? Last edited by condor bravo; May 15, 2016 at 06:15 PM.

May 15, 2016, 06:20 PM	#12
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I really hope that the link is helpful. It's almost certain that someone else will have it if this guy can actually provide it. If I have the time tonight I'll try to find others. __________________ None.

May 15, 2016, 10:57 PM	#13
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,833	I visited a friend today, and he found an recent article there is a fellow in Texas who will convert 30-30 to .30Rem for $1 a case, plus shipping. You send him the brass, he turns it on a lathe, and sends it back There is also an outfit in CN that will make any case you want, but they are described as "spendy" (so more than $1 each, at least). If you want the details, let me know. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

May 16, 2016, 10:38 AM	#14
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	"The rimmed case head of .30-30 can't be turned into a rimless case." Yes, they can. Yes, the cases are a little short, but they still work. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 16, 2016, 11:14 AM	#15
hounddogman Member Join Date: September 17, 2014 Posts: 69	There was a guy selling 30-30 cases that he turned into 30 rem a few months back on gun broker. You can use 30-30 dies to reload 30 rem Lee has 30 rem shell holders too, just have to call and ask at least they had some 6 months or so ago

June 9, 2016, 10:47 PM	#16
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I have located some new in box 30 rem, about seven boxes https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...p_r2j_approved __________________ None.

June 9, 2016, 11:03 PM	#17
Sure Shot Mc Gee Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,876	There is a fellow on the Cast Boolits Form that goes by the name Grumpa who makes custom reasonably priced discontinued brass. You might want to contact him to see if he has any 30 Remington or 32 Remington for sale. Of all those who buy his brass on that web site. Not once have I ever read any complaints about Grumpa's products.

June 10, 2016, 04:17 AM	#18
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	A note about rimmed to rimless: It works, but depending what you are using, I would split the case the long way and make sure the head area is pretty close internally. Other than that it works fine. You may have to cut the rim deeper.

June 10, 2016, 07:00 AM	#19
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Made contact with him before I posted, then told him that retooled 30-30 was being considered when he messaged back again, and he now is saying that he's ready to deal. I would personally rather have factory new cases in box than retooled, and to me, the issue would be what eventual costs would be. __________________ None.

June 10, 2016, 10:04 AM	#20
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	Your facebook link doesn't work. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 10, 2016, 02:02 PM	#21
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I checked it after I posted it and it worked Of course it worked for me, I now realize, it was a link to my own account. If he is interested and replies to me ill see if I can get them connected. __________________ None.

June 10, 2016, 05:19 PM	#22
Tad_T Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Idaho Posts: 231	I have my grandfather's Model 81 Woodsmaster in .30 Remington. The first deer I ever killed with a rifle was killed with it in Ashley County, Arkansas. I kept scrounging around and found a couple of dusty bags of brand new Remington brass in a little reloading shop. Then I found some more in the used/clearance room at another shop. I still have two boxes of Western Super X Silvertip and a box of Remington KleanBore that I had from back in the day. I had about 40 rounds of once fired brass. I bought a brand new set of .30 Remington RCBS dies from Sportsman's Guide. Now I am working up some loads for it and then I will load up all of my brass and probably be set. It's not easy to find, but there is still some .30 Remington stuff out there.

June 11, 2016, 08:20 AM	#23
TRX Senior Member Join Date: September 24, 2008 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 400	When I got my Model 8 I wasn't aware of the brass/ammo issue. I did find a box of ammo eventually, and a member on thegreatmodel8 sold me a bag of brass. RCBS had the dies. The .30 Remington is a nice little cartridge. Remington made little effort to promote the .25-.30-.32 outside the Model 8/81 line, though. The only other rifle I know of chambered for one of those was the Model 30, which was a civilianized P17 Enfield. The petite little .30 was probably lost in there, considering the P17 will swallow .505 Jeffrey or .577 Tyrannosaur...

June 11, 2016, 06:15 PM	#24
Tad_T Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2012 Location: Idaho Posts: 231	The Model 14/141 was also offered in .30 Remington.

June 12, 2016, 07:56 AM	#25
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	The Standard Arms Model G was also chambered in .30 Remington (along with .25 and .35). __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.