CZ Bruno?

espnazi · November 28, 2009, 11:53 PM

Does Anyone know anything about these CZ copies? All I know is that they are made in the Czech Republic.

NJG33 · November 29, 2009, 01:37 AM

Is it Bruno or Brno? I think Brno is the city CZ in based in.

armoredman · November 29, 2009, 01:40 AM

Brno is another Czech firearms manufacturer, remember the BREN Light Machine Gun from WWII? BRno and ENfield. CZ-USA actually imports some Brno rifles. Also, CZ-UB is in Uhersky Brod township.
That looks like a Witness polymer clone, made by Tanfoglio of Italy, good maker.

Casimer · November 29, 2009, 01:57 AM

That's an Alfa Defender (?).

http://www.alfa-proj.cz/en/products/...mbat-defender/

I don't know much about Alfa-Proj, except that they make revolvers and airguns as well.

Lawyer Daggit · November 29, 2009, 02:12 AM

The CZ 75, like most CZ products- is a much cloned pistol. I do not know anything about a Czech made clone- would seem pointless.

B. Lahey · November 29, 2009, 02:37 AM

Brno:

Bruno:

Glad we cleared that up.

armoredman · November 29, 2009, 04:57 AM

I am sooo glad I already ate before seeing that - I had something to vomit.

IdahoG36 · November 29, 2009, 12:46 PM

Hahahaha!!

espnazi · November 29, 2009, 01:05 PM

I'm Interested because CDNN has them on special for
$299, and if CZ truly imports some of their rifles I would imagine their quality would be superior to other clones.

dances with guns · November 29, 2009, 01:53 PM

next to the 1911, the cz75 is the most copied autopistol in the world. has been for decades.

Gelgoog · November 29, 2009, 02:35 PM

Brno makes excellent weapons. While I can't speak for this particular pistol, I know that everything I have ever had that came from that factory has been quality. This being CZ hanguns to mauser rifles, you can't really go wrong buying brno.

schmeky · November 29, 2009, 03:47 PM

B. Lahey,

I was just taking a sip of cola when I scrolled down and saw your post #6 . . . . . . I spewed the cola all over my computer screen :barf:

Walt Sherrill · November 29, 2009, 03:51 PM

When they first exported their guns to the US, through a 2nd Party, they were using Tanfoglio-made frames, supplemented by some parts made in the Czech Republic.

Any gun made or assembled in the Czech Republic can use the "CZ" nomenclature, which simply means "made in Czechoslovakia" or "made in the Czech Republic."

It is unclear whether the guns the Strakonice company now making are based on the Tanfoglio frames or not, but a number of gun makers do that. But the polymer gun shown looks identical to a Tanfoglio-polymer gun.

This company and another were members of a bigger corporation under Communist rule. Prior to the breakup of the Communist Bloc. One company was converted to making mostly heavy equipment and motorcycles. Prior to the breakup, they were making long-guns only. Their last pistols were the CZ-50, 52 and 70 -- so they had been out of the pistol business for several decades. That is the company associated with the gun pictured.

This firm had NOTHING to do with the development or production of the CZ-75 design or gun. Their guns seem to be based on the Tanfoglio design, which is equally good, but somewhat simpler. They seem to be good guns, and I'd assume that they can be serviced with parts from Tanfoglio (via WITNESS and EAA) if you can't get them elsewhere.

tekarra · November 29, 2009, 08:14 PM

Brno is the second largest city in the Czech Republic and is located in the south east part of the country. Brno has a long arms manufacturing history many firearms made by Zbrojovka Brno are just called Brno and indeed, many are just stamped Brno.

LarryFlew · November 29, 2009, 09:38 PM

yes they can use a cz as origin but "CZ" brand is Ceska zbrojovka

Tanglefoot · November 30, 2009, 01:12 AM

Not finding much via google. Couple of similar posts in other forums referring to the offering in the CDNN catalog.

Very interesting... if you buy it, please give us the full report!

Elvishead · November 30, 2009, 12:50 PM

Quote:

armoredman:

I am sooo glad I already ate before seeing that - I had something to vomit.

I bet you've been with uglier women!

Sorry couldn't help my self.

Never heard of it either. If it is a clone, I'd just buy the real thing.

I can't imagine if it needed warranty work what it would take.

Casimer · November 30, 2009, 01:19 PM

The pistol isn't a Brno or a CZ, it's made by Alfa-Proj

from their site..
ALFA - PROJ spol. s r.o. Profile

ALFA - PROJ spol. s r.o. was established in 1993 as a Czech limited company. The company’s scope of activity includes production and trade, employing 100 personnel out of 140 in production.

Since the beginning of the company’s existence it has involved in short arms production. The short arms range includes blank-shoot revolvers and low muzzle energy shot revolvers as well as life revolvers of .22 LR to .357 Magnum calibres. Since 2002, ALFA-PROJ has been manufacturing Combat and Defender pistols, calibres from 9 mm to .45 ACP. The company enhanced its production with air arms in 2004. Currently these include air pistols and rifles for shooting sport.

The pistol..
http://www.alfa-proj.cz/en/products/...-arms/pistols/

----------------------

AP is primarily known for their revolvers and airguns. I don't think that they have US distribution. But the comments I've seen on international shooting forums have been favorable regarding their quality.

Misssissippi Dave · December 5, 2009, 10:04 PM

I wrote a review on a different forum. I have one and it works well.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...35/m/707100822

Tanglefoot · December 6, 2009, 04:24 PM

Thanks for the link to the review - good stuff!

Your photos are great. Enjoy.

Veyec · January 9, 2010, 01:03 PM

I am new to this forum and have enjoyed it so far!

I just ordered one of the Alfa Defenders from CDNN. It should be here in a few days.

My decision to get it was due in large part to the reputation of the original CZ that this copies. I hope that this one will live up to the same standard that was set by the original.

MississippiDave's review was also a great contributor to my decision. Thanks for the write-up!

I was curious on how it has held up since you wrote the review. Have you had any other thoughts or problems on the gun since you wrote your initial review?

I know this thread is a little old. Hope you all are still around!

Willie D · January 9, 2010, 05:26 PM

Quote:

yes they can use a cz as origin but "CZ" brand is Ceska zbrojovka

Except when it's Crvena Zastava...

http://www.cz99.org/index.php?page=cz99

tekarra · January 9, 2010, 09:08 PM

Veyec,
You must post a range report and photos.

Veyec · January 16, 2010, 12:51 PM

I finally made it to the range despite the 19 degree weather!

Fired about 120 Blazer Brass 115 FMJ through the gun. No problems to report. The gun came with a test target that showed that it is pretty much dead on at 15 meters. My own testing at 25 feet pretty much proved it as well, though my shooting skill needs extensive improvement. After I get more familiar with the trigger and sights, I hope to be able to hold a tighter group. Maybe when the temperature warms up a little as well.

The gun felt great in the hand and even better to fire. I think it will only get better as I continue to get more accustomed to it.

tekarra · January 16, 2010, 07:06 PM

Thanks for the report. Hope it warms up so you can enjoy your new toy.

November 28, 2009, 11:53 PM	#1
espnazi Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Posts: 256	CZ Bruno? Does Anyone know anything about these CZ copies? All I know is that they are made in the Czech Republic.

November 29, 2009, 01:40 AM	#3
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	Brno is another Czech firearms manufacturer, remember the BREN Light Machine Gun from WWII? BRno and ENfield. CZ-USA actually imports some Brno rifles. Also, CZ-UB is in Uhersky Brod township. That looks like a Witness polymer clone, made by Tanfoglio of Italy, good maker. Last edited by armoredman; November 29, 2009 at 04:56 AM.

January 9, 2010, 01:03 PM	#21
Veyec Member Join Date: January 9, 2010 Posts: 41	Hi all! I am new to this forum and have enjoyed it so far! I just ordered one of the Alfa Defenders from CDNN. It should be here in a few days. My decision to get it was due in large part to the reputation of the original CZ that this copies. I hope that this one will live up to the same standard that was set by the original. MississippiDave's review was also a great contributor to my decision. Thanks for the write-up! I was curious on how it has held up since you wrote the review. Have you had any other thoughts or problems on the gun since you wrote your initial review? I know this thread is a little old. Hope you all are still around!

January 16, 2010, 12:51 PM	#24
Veyec Member Join Date: January 9, 2010 Posts: 41	Range report. I finally made it to the range despite the 19 degree weather! Fired about 120 Blazer Brass 115 FMJ through the gun. No problems to report. The gun came with a test target that showed that it is pretty much dead on at 15 meters. My own testing at 25 feet pretty much proved it as well, though my shooting skill needs extensive improvement. After I get more familiar with the trigger and sights, I hope to be able to hold a tighter group. Maybe when the temperature warms up a little as well. The gun felt great in the hand and even better to fire. I think it will only get better as I continue to get more accustomed to it.

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November 29, 2009, 01:37 AM	#2
NJG33 Member Join Date: June 25, 2007 Location: MN Posts: 21	Is it Bruno or Brno? I think Brno is the city CZ in based in.

November 29, 2009, 01:57 AM	#4
Casimer Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,918	That's an Alfa Defender (?). http://www.alfa-proj.cz/en/products/...mbat-defender/ I don't know much about Alfa-Proj, except that they make revolvers and airguns as well.

November 29, 2009, 02:12 AM	#5
Lawyer Daggit Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Posts: 1,181	The CZ 75, like most CZ products- is a much cloned pistol. I do not know anything about a Czech made clone- would seem pointless.

November 29, 2009, 02:37 AM	#6
B. Lahey Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,857	Brno: Bruno: Glad we cleared that up. __________________ "A human being is primarily a bag for putting food into; the other functions and faculties may be more godlike, but in point of time they come afterwards." -George Orwell

November 29, 2009, 04:57 AM	#7
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	I am sooo glad I already ate before seeing that - I had something to vomit.

November 29, 2009, 12:46 PM	#8
IdahoG36 Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2006 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 2,993	Hahahaha!!

November 29, 2009, 01:05 PM	#9
espnazi Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Posts: 256	I'm Interested because CDNN has them on special for $299, and if CZ truly imports some of their rifles I would imagine their quality would be superior to other clones.

November 29, 2009, 01:53 PM	#10
dances with guns Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 228	next to the 1911, the cz75 is the most copied autopistol in the world. has been for decades.

November 29, 2009, 02:35 PM	#11
Gelgoog Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 129	Brno makes excellent weapons. While I can't speak for this particular pistol, I know that everything I have ever had that came from that factory has been quality. This being CZ hanguns to mauser rifles, you can't really go wrong buying brno.

November 29, 2009, 03:47 PM	#12
schmeky Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2006 Posts: 810	B. Lahey, I was just taking a sip of cola when I scrolled down and saw your post #6 . . . . . . I spewed the cola all over my computer screen :barf:

November 29, 2009, 03:51 PM	#13
Walt Sherrill Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 1999 Location: Winston-Salem, NC USA Posts: 6,348	When they first exported their guns to the US, through a 2nd Party, they were using Tanfoglio-made frames, supplemented by some parts made in the Czech Republic. Any gun made or assembled in the Czech Republic can use the "CZ" nomenclature, which simply means "made in Czechoslovakia" or "made in the Czech Republic." It is unclear whether the guns the Strakonice company now making are based on the Tanfoglio frames or not, but a number of gun makers do that. But the polymer gun shown looks identical to a Tanfoglio-polymer gun. This company and another were members of a bigger corporation under Communist rule. Prior to the breakup of the Communist Bloc. One company was converted to making mostly heavy equipment and motorcycles. Prior to the breakup, they were making long-guns only. Their last pistols were the CZ-50, 52 and 70 -- so they had been out of the pistol business for several decades. That is the company associated with the gun pictured. This firm had NOTHING to do with the development or production of the CZ-75 design or gun. Their guns seem to be based on the Tanfoglio design, which is equally good, but somewhat simpler. They seem to be good guns, and I'd assume that they can be serviced with parts from Tanfoglio (via WITNESS and EAA) if you can't get them elsewhere.

November 29, 2009, 08:14 PM	#14
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	Brno is the second largest city in the Czech Republic and is located in the south east part of the country. Brno has a long arms manufacturing history many firearms made by Zbrojovka Brno are just called Brno and indeed, many are just stamped Brno.

November 29, 2009, 09:38 PM	#15
LarryFlew Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2009 Location: Minnesota CZ fan Posts: 902	yes they can use a cz as origin but "CZ" brand is Ceska zbrojovka

November 30, 2009, 01:12 AM	#16
Tanglefoot Member Join Date: October 21, 2001 Posts: 51	Not finding much via google. Couple of similar posts in other forums referring to the offering in the CDNN catalog. Very interesting... if you buy it, please give us the full report!

November 30, 2009, 01:19 PM	#18
Casimer Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,918	The pistol isn't a Brno or a CZ, it's made by Alfa-Proj from their site.. ALFA - PROJ spol. s r.o. Profile ALFA - PROJ spol. s r.o. was established in 1993 as a Czech limited company. The company’s scope of activity includes production and trade, employing 100 personnel out of 140 in production. Since the beginning of the company’s existence it has involved in short arms production. The short arms range includes blank-shoot revolvers and low muzzle energy shot revolvers as well as life revolvers of .22 LR to .357 Magnum calibres. Since 2002, ALFA-PROJ has been manufacturing Combat and Defender pistols, calibres from 9 mm to .45 ACP. The company enhanced its production with air arms in 2004. Currently these include air pistols and rifles for shooting sport. The pistol.. http://www.alfa-proj.cz/en/products/...-arms/pistols/ ---------------------- AP is primarily known for their revolvers and airguns. I don't think that they have US distribution. But the comments I've seen on international shooting forums have been favorable regarding their quality.

December 5, 2009, 10:04 PM	#19
Misssissippi Dave Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Posts: 1,411	I wrote a review on a different forum. I have one and it works well. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...35/m/707100822

December 6, 2009, 04:24 PM	#20
Tanglefoot Member Join Date: October 21, 2001 Posts: 51	Thanks for the link to the review - good stuff! Your photos are great. Enjoy.

January 9, 2010, 09:08 PM	#23
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	Veyec, You must post a range report and photos.

January 16, 2010, 07:06 PM	#25
tekarra Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 2007 Posts: 1,164	Thanks for the report. Hope it warms up so you can enjoy your new toy.