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I just...I mean, that's a lot of red lines. Red isn't usually used to denote happy things.
Somehow, I don't think those represent rays of happy sunshine and unicorn tails moving over the border.
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Looking at that map makes it pretty obvious that the problem is Arizona.
Anywhere to vacation in Coahuila?
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Ironic how the mainstream multi-media has been so Hush Hush about the entire Fast and Furious disaster ordeal.
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The letter from the White House accompanying the latest released emails on ATF gunwalking said this:
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TO Alloy
The problem is not AZ. The problem is a corrupt out of control White House and Federal "Law Enforcement Agency". If the problem were the AZ gun dealers there would be multiple prosecutions of the dealers who knowling sold guns illegally. I personnally know gun dealers who refused to participate in the program. The ATF has a history of being maniplated by activist Politicians. Waco and Ruby Ridge are the most well known examples. Why is a local ATF Office chief sending his weekly reports to the NSC if their is not direct oversite by the White House? This whole mess is designed to justify increased control and the eventual removal of our 2 A rights. |
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Do you believe, in the midst of a 50 page discussion about the ATF giving guns to killers, that anyone could attribute the problem to The State of Arizona?
My bad then....less vermouth in the sarcasm next time....thanks! Actually, I think the gov might see it that way.
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Heard on the radio on the drive home today
On Mark Levin show; Fox news has posession of at least two documents that say Holder was both aware, and briefed on Fast and Furious (in 2010), something he publically denied earlier this year.
This appears to make his statement (as Cmmdr Clement would say) "what we in the Royal Navy, call a lie!" Now where is it going to go from here, particularly with the mainstream press much more concerned with what was painted on a rock than with matters of law and the death of Federal agenst because of it.
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Bret Baier mentioned it this evening on his FOX news show.
Read some of the briefing for Holder mentioning 1500 straw purchases. As to be expected...the DOJ claims Holder doesn't read everything sent to him. Interesting video. Nearly some kind of smoking gun. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...-than-claimed/
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Most of us knew from day one that this idiotic "plan" went right to the top. Field agents would not force gun stores to sell AKs to criminals unless Holder/obama knew about it. In the words of a friend of POTUS - America's chickens have come home to roost.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html
Either Eric Holder is an utter idiot or else he's a liar. Or maybe both, I don't know. But I don't see how it's possible to make these sorts of statements with a straight face: Quote:
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Listen to this email dated October 18, 2010, from Jason Weinstein (Deputy Assistant Attorney General of DOJ's Criminal Division) to James Trusty (Deputy Chief of DOJ's National Gang Unit):
JW: "It's a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked but is a significant set of prosecutions." JT: ""I'm not sure how much grief we get for 'guns walking.' It may be more like, "Finally they're going after people who sent guns down there." The same email also states that there is Fast and Furious, a Tuscon case and a new unspecified case related to both. So we have high level DOJ officials discussing both guns walking and at least three separate cases of it. And the kicker is that DOJ's defense of this email (see Hardcase link above) is that it is not about Fast and Furious but another earlier case. I don't know who answers the press questions at DOJ; but "That email is talking about guns walked from an earlier and completely different case than Fast and Furious" is probably not the scandal extinguisher you thought it was. So we've got high level DOJ officials talking about gun walking and indicating that there are at minimum three operations related to Fast and Furious (including F&F). I can't believe that this isn't getting more coverage. |
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I'm of the mind set that the Dems are quiet, hoping it will go away and the Repubs are quiet, waiting for the "right" time to drag it out on the campaign trail.
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Here are the new documents in .pdf format complete with huge black block redacting.
If you need Adobe Reader you can download it free at http://get.adobe.com/reader/ Read the new documents Read the July 5, 2010 memo Read the "It's a tricky case" email Read the memo to AG Holder from Asst. AG Lanny A. Breuer
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So there were 2 separate "Gun Walker" operations out of AZ, one from Tucson and one from Pheonix. A separate operation in TX, referenced in one of the emails released Friday. An operation run out of Florida that supposedly supplied arms to Honduras "Operation Castaway?" and yet another operation run out of Indiana(?) that supposedly supplied inner city gangs?
Jeesh............. I think this graphic sums up the AZ operations nicely: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/FF_p93_chart.pdf and as I said on another forum yesterday, if that ^ was a legitimate LE operation I'll eat my hat!
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In a related story, Laura Ingraham has a really interesting interview with CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson, who was one of the first mainstream media reporters to actually investigate Fast and Furious and has been one of the few to stay with it and keep reporting.
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Um, don't they normally throw people in prison for that kind of thing??? Or is it ok to lie to a House Judiciary Committee?
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Lieing to congress...."That depends on what the definition of the word is, is"
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I think this is one of the bigger news days when it comes to Fast and Furious. The first actual call by a member of Congress (to my knowledge) for a special prosecutor, white house staff "losing it" with a reporter over the issue, and proof Holder was less than accurate in his previous testimony to Congress. WHEW!!
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The fact that CBS News is reporting this is very significant.
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Karmic justice that the very guns they wanted to secretly eliminate, are now coming back to haunt, and set public opinion...against them.
Nate Beeler for The Washington Examiner nailed it months ago. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...9/stonewalling
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And Lamar Smith isn't just any member of Congress, he is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. He has significant power over the DOJ's budget should the Administration play hardball.
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