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March 18, 2013, 04:31 PM | #51 |
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I want something accurate and powerful.
I have posted about my hog hunting rig before which is a G20 with Ameriglo ghost ring night sights. I shoot 220 hard cast Buffalo Bore... which is somewhere about 700 ft lbs. 45 Super would be another choice. With hogs, don't use JHP. You want to penetrate their thick hide and not make them mad and just wound them. I don't want to be cornered by 300 pounds of angry bacon. |
March 18, 2013, 04:37 PM | #52 | |
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There have been a number of attacks by feral hogs on people over the years. While they are rare they do occur.
If we rule out insect attacks, which kill more people each year than any other type and snake bites which also kill more people in the U.S. each year than cougers, bears, mastodons, etc. If we focus just on the dreaded Mammal on Mammal Violence we find that attacks by hogs on humans are still rarer than attacks by dogs (domestic and feral) and are reportedly less common than attacks by bears which are pretty rare. Hog encounters are rare but they have been increasing and it's hard to get a handle on the exact number because if someone isn't seriously injured it may not be reported. "Non-Fatal" and non serious injury attacks by bears and cougars usually are reported and make it into the local press. Being chased by a bear down a road will make the press, not so a chase by a hog. That's because in many areas people are so used to seeing wild pigs that while we are leery of them we don't think of them as "deadly" or uncommon. Quote:
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March 19, 2013, 02:21 PM | #54 |
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One thing that effects the figures for attacks by hogs is that they are also farm animals and animals that we kill on an industrial scale. I worked for a few years in a cut and kill plant in St. Joseph, Mo. (I also knew and know a number of hog farmers.) We killed many, many hogs daily. When one would get loose and make a run for it the crazed beast would hurt anything in it's way. But such incidents, like those on a farm are not listed anywhere as "animal attacks on humans". They are listed as industrial accidents.
But attached here is a PDF file on the numbers of deaths annually from animal attacks from 1991 to 2001. Hogs did not make the list. They might now. http://www.scark.org/docs/Animal%20R...Fatalities.pdf Some things of interest in the report. Men walking alone seem to be attacked more often than females walking alone. Most attacks occur in the Southern states. Most attacks involve Caucasion males. From what I've read the same is true of recent hog attacks as well. So if you can avoid all three of those things, statistically, you may be pretty safe. Go for 2 out of three and you're likely fairly safe. If you got all three, well then as Rooster Cogburn said in True Grit, "I can not help you son". Personally I'm less scared of a mano a mano with a two hundred pound elk than a two hundred pound hog. The elk is vicious, fast and strong, the horns can pierce and shred, the hoofs are deadly hard and sharp, but...I see it eye to eye. It stands on it's four legs as tall as I do on my hind legs. I can wrestle it to the ground. With knife and gun it's mine. I've personally knocked a 140 pound deer to the ground with my shoulder. Not so the hog. The pig is low to the earth. It's center of gravity down there and hard to toss. To fight it eye to eye you gotta be on the ground where we are at our weakest against the boar. It slashes at your legs side to side and will try to toss you. If truly feral it will grow tusks which can get to 7-8" in length, or longer. It slashes with it's teeth and tusks. It's neck and shoulders are strong, no choking it. It can bite. The same teeth that tear roots of trees can break a bone. It's fast, much faster than a human in the brush. Kicking it has no effect if full grown or more than a yearling. Most folks it kills bleed out before they can get help. But usually, in the outdoors, they just run away. tipoc Last edited by tipoc; March 19, 2013 at 05:22 PM. |
March 19, 2013, 02:37 PM | #55 |
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i havent weighed it but my glock29 with a full mag feels like it weighs around 2lbs.
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March 19, 2013, 02:38 PM | #56 |
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Not enough gun?
Gotta love internet forum snipers. Can't kill a hog with a .45 ? Yeah right, whatever. The .45 is a useless round. Not enough penetration or expansion to kill a couple of thousand people (or tens of thousands) in two World Wars and more than a couple of international police actions, (ie; Korea, Vietnam, Central America, and the Middle East), and was just lucky when it came to hanging around for over a hundred years. I wouldn't even consider carrying one for hogs. Not at all. Seriously ? Where do these guys come from?
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March 19, 2013, 03:02 PM | #57 | |
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I am not sure how it is that you are likening expansion of ball ammo used in 1911s during the various wars/police actions you mentioned given the aspect that ball ammo doesn't generally expand and when it does usually does not expand significantly short of hitting exceptionally hard and durable surfaces and usually not at all when simply hitting soft tissue. BTW, I carry a 1911 whilst hunting.
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March 19, 2013, 03:30 PM | #58 |
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lol tipoc! Okay, I'm two out of three (female walking alone in southern state). Whew! Just another reason I'm glad I'm not a guy!
Actually, if I'm walking with Smith and Wesson, I'm technically not alone. |
March 19, 2013, 04:28 PM | #59 | |
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a 22 is all I ever used to kill them, anything larger will go thru and hit the floor and possibly me. Pig pallace is long gone now but some of us still remember the days. and dont even try the wild hog is stouter than the barn yard hog cause it just isnt true at all. a 500 lb hog can and will do ya harm in the yard or out in the wild. Just gotta be carefull. That bull I used 2 summers ago, now that was a fiesty one fo ya, he was 2500 lbs of mean and nasty had to load him up and bring him to my gals. City boys quake in their shoes at the site of him |
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March 20, 2013, 04:23 PM | #61 |
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A wild hog founds its way into my sister's neighborhood a few years ago in the 'burbs. It was about 250 lbs with 2 - 3" tusks. The family across the street, who didn't know any better, called their kids to come outside and see the piggie (my father, who was with my sister, motioned them to go back in their house). A city cop discovered it in another yard a few days later, rummaging in a car port for food. He stepped out of his squad car, 12 gauge in hand and the hog charged him. He dropped it at roughly a distance of 10' with a single blast of 00 buck to the head.
I wonder if the city PD and FD had a cookout that night . |
March 20, 2013, 05:37 PM | #62 |
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Hogs armor is a myth. Sorry.
I've put em down with a P99 .40SW I would have no trepidation carrying my M&P 9mm, P99 .40 or sig 1911 (I'd be more concerned about scratching my 1911). |
March 20, 2013, 09:38 PM | #63 |
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Six or eight years ago I was following my son on a dark night down in Real County, Texas when I saw his brake lights come on and stay on.
When I caught up to him, I found he'd run over a herd of feral hogs. There were four or five of them (memory fades a bit) in various states of injury, unable to get away. I put them down with my Argentine Colt .45. Only one took more than one round of hardball and that was my fault, not the hog's hard head. W.
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I would posit that the shield is commonly blamed for a hog not stopped when the real culprit is along the lines of poor ammo choice, poor hunting/shooting skills, etc. The shield may yield a couple of inches of extra tissue through which the bullet has to pass (often much less), but that should be no problem for most proper ammo.
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March 21, 2013, 10:09 AM | #65 |
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There's nothing wrong with the .45. You could get heavy hardcast bullets from Buffalo Bore and if you wanted more, rather than buying another gun, try the .45 Super out. It's better than the 10mm anyway IMHO.
Otherwise I suggest buying a .44 Mag or Ruger .45 Colt loaded with warm ammo. |
March 21, 2013, 04:25 PM | #66 |
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Had one run at me in the alley way, come off a truck and was upset. I dropped him with a sledgehammer, was right at my feet. no gun, he was huge too. Had nuts the size of basket balls....
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March 21, 2013, 04:42 PM | #67 |
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Well said Double Naught, most hogs in south and central Florida are dispatched with a knife. Of course a catch dog is usually attached to its nose
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March 21, 2013, 06:09 PM | #68 |
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Whoa guys..
Let's differentiate between a hog killed in a pen (as at a slaughter house), a hog killed hunting, and a hog that is trying to gore you. Hogs killed at slaughter houses are penned in and thus a .22 will do fine in the noggen. Hogs killed hunting are a bit harder but usually you are shooting them at a distance and they are unaware of you. But hogs that are trying to defend their babies are a whole different kettle of fish (as is any animal, including humans.) Now the original poster was worried about being charged by a enraged hog and not some penned in critter waiting to be slaughtered. I suggest going to the board: http://www.texashuntingforum.com/for.../forum_summary and reading all about hog hunting and what happens out there. Deaf
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Rapid loss of blood or CNS kills them all. Their pretty angry when they bay up and a catch dog is on their nose, ears or balls as well.
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March 21, 2013, 06:32 PM | #70 |
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Double Naught Spy- the myth I was referring to was that it would stop most bullets. Yeah there's definitely a tough spot for their protection against other animals, just not a match for lead traveling at high velocities or Rambo. Dang couldn't find the scene where Rambo jumps from the tree onto the boar. Google fu failed me this time.
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THF has virtually nothing on dealing with charging or attacking hogs and firearms to stop them. They do have threads on pit bull and bear attacks, however.
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March 21, 2013, 08:45 PM | #72 |
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Lot's more than just feral hogs to worry about
I hiked a lot, primarily in AZ, NM and Texas, and mostly during daylight. I seldom run across a feral hog, as compared to deer, snakes, lizards, turtles and bears. The largest numbers are coyotes and signs of cats.
While I'm sure you could find a place where it's mostly wild hogs, I'd bet the primary threat to most hikers comes from coyotes, cats, bears and snakes.
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+1 Deaf Smith
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I'd carry (and do, out here on our farm) a SIG 2022 9mm with a 15 rd. magazine and Buffalo Bore +P+ 9mm Penetrators. This is a jacketed flatpoint load that will easily blow a hole completely through the skull of any animal you could encounter on this continent. Probably not too good for your gun to shoot them a lot, but just for carry purposes, it's hard to beat having 16 rounds of this stuff available.
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