Just for fun....Subguns...STEN vs. MP5 :)

Nightcrawler · September 26, 2000, 02:47 AM

Heckler @ Koch MP5

Advantages: more accurate, better rate of fire, better sights, more comfortable to use, more refined, more attachments, more varieties, and is probably the finest subgun in the world.

STEN

Advantage: A STEN costs $20.00. You could buy dozens of STENs for the cost of a single MP5...

Just having some fun.

ctdonath · September 26, 2000, 10:12 AM

...and you're going to bet your life on which one?

Nightcrawler · September 26, 2000, 01:25 PM

Either-or. Tens of thosuands of soldiers have trusted their lives to a Sten in past.

James K · September 26, 2000, 02:34 PM

As much as I like the STEN, the fact is that it is a rather old design, so I would have to go with the MP5 here. (My actual preference would be the UZI.) The STEN has one advantage not mentioned, though. With its side mounted magazine, it is a lot better when shooting over a barrier or from the prone position. For civilian sales, the STEN is more available. For police (the only people who can buy $20 STENs), I think there is a psychological factor. How would the Blotzville police feel if issued ancient STENs when the neighboring Klotztown police have brand new MP5s?

Jim

Nightcrawler · September 26, 2000, 03:47 PM

I was just raising the point that a gun is a gun. A 9mm subgun is a 9mm subgun; unless it's an extremely bad design, one isn't going to give the user any major advantage over another. Sure, the MP5 is more advanced. But it fires the same bullet. It's not any more deadly for CQB than an Uzi, a STEN, a Jatimatic, a BXP, a MAC-10/9, a Sterling, an Owen Gun, an MP42, or so on.

Correia · September 26, 2000, 04:56 PM

If I had a rather limited amount of money to arm a large number of troops, then I would go with the Sten. Other than that I would want the UMP, its cheaper than the MP5.

Since we are talking subguns, of course.

September 26, 2000, 05:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jim Keenan:
I think there is a psychological factor. How would the Blotzville police feel if issued ancient STENs when the neighboring Klotztown police have brand new MP5s?[/quote]

Well...is Blotztown planning to go to war with Klotztown?

Point is, an ancient STEN that works is more than the Blotztown cops will ever be up against.

**4V50 Gary** · September 26, 2000, 08:48 PM

Given the same budget between opposing forces, and the same # of troops, I'd probably go with the Sten. It is simply more cost effective. Money saved can be used for live fire training - something which most armies don't really get to do too much of. I'd rather have well trained troops with mediocre weapons that mediocre troops with superb weapons.

Also, as the (corrupt) Minister of Defense, any savings will be diverted to my Swiss Bank Account.

If we get our clocks cleaned by the MP5 armed troops, I have my speech from the Alps ready: "I shall return!"

September 26, 2000, 02:47 AM	#1
Nightcrawler Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2000 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,945	Heckler @ Koch MP5 Advantages: more accurate, better rate of fire, better sights, more comfortable to use, more refined, more attachments, more varieties, and is probably the finest subgun in the world. STEN Advantage: A STEN costs $20.00. You could buy dozens of STENs for the cost of a single MP5... Just having some fun.

September 26, 2000, 10:12 AM	#2
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	...and you're going to bet your life on which one?

September 26, 2000, 01:25 PM	#3
Nightcrawler Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2000 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,945	Either-or. Tens of thosuands of soldiers have trusted their lives to a Sten in past.

September 26, 2000, 02:34 PM	#4
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	As much as I like the STEN, the fact is that it is a rather old design, so I would have to go with the MP5 here. (My actual preference would be the UZI.) The STEN has one advantage not mentioned, though. With its side mounted magazine, it is a lot better when shooting over a barrier or from the prone position. For civilian sales, the STEN is more available. For police (the only people who can buy $20 STENs), I think there is a psychological factor. How would the Blotzville police feel if issued ancient STENs when the neighboring Klotztown police have brand new MP5s? Jim

September 26, 2000, 03:47 PM	#5
Nightcrawler Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2000 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,945	I was just raising the point that a gun is a gun. A 9mm subgun is a 9mm subgun; unless it's an extremely bad design, one isn't going to give the user any major advantage over another. Sure, the MP5 is more advanced. But it fires the same bullet. It's not any more deadly for CQB than an Uzi, a STEN, a Jatimatic, a BXP, a MAC-10/9, a Sterling, an Owen Gun, an MP42, or so on.

September 26, 2000, 04:56 PM	#6
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	If I had a rather limited amount of money to arm a large number of troops, then I would go with the Sten. Other than that I would want the UMP, its cheaper than the MP5. Since we are talking subguns, of course.

September 26, 2000, 05:23 PM	#7
Jeff, CA Guest Posts: n/a	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jim Keenan: I think there is a psychological factor. How would the Blotzville police feel if issued ancient STENs when the neighboring Klotztown police have brand new MP5s?[/quote] Well...is Blotztown planning to go to war with Klotztown? Point is, an ancient STEN that works is more than the Blotztown cops will ever be up against.

September 26, 2000, 08:48 PM	#8
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,831	Given the same budget between opposing forces, and the same # of troops, I'd probably go with the Sten. It is simply more cost effective. Money saved can be used for live fire training - something which most armies don't really get to do too much of. I'd rather have well trained troops with mediocre weapons that mediocre troops with superb weapons. Also, as the (corrupt) Minister of Defense, any savings will be diverted to my Swiss Bank Account. If we get our clocks cleaned by the MP5 armed troops, I have my speech from the Alps ready: "I shall return!"