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November 22, 2006, 10:17 PM | #26 |
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Riflemen is technically an MOS. For
I am a bit of an iconoclast, I believe allot of
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November 22, 2006, 10:52 PM | #27 |
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Riflery,, yes.. But sure, we need Josh, I understand what you mean. But consider this, if your grandfather did a few of those things, and your father, would you think of them as classroom instructors while they were trying to teach you What about learning from a guy who may have walked down Even if we have to use
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Historically, at least in
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"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." Col. Jeff Cooper, from The Art of the Rifle |
November 23, 2006, 04:03 AM | #30 |
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Going back to your original post, I have to agree. Im 35 and I guess I was lucky to know my ww2 veteran grandfather. A rifle to him was simply a tool, what he really exuded was a certain competance in all things, I remember
Doug S also articulated some of my own concerns. No one is teaching "rifleman" skills just like they mostly tend to fail to teach "life" skills (thats why my wife and I homeschool our kids). BTW, I like Mike |
November 23, 2006, 09:43 AM | #31 |
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A lot of what is being discussed is
rifleman versus Rifleman Thus OK, I'll admit to being biased here, as I spent enough time with Jeff Cooper to pick up a few of his deeply felt views. So go out and strive to be a true Rifleman. But again, that's just my view. I'm kinda strict on Atlas Shrug |
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Benn, If my grandfather is still alive today or if I was fortunate enough to have talked to him when I was at
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November 23, 2006, 12:47 PM | #33 |
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Great comparison Atlas Shrug, a welcome addition to this thread.
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November 23, 2006, 01:17 PM | #34 |
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I work with quite a few "young 20's". I've hunted with some of them. I always take a trip to |
November 23, 2006, 10:22 PM | #35 |
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Swampdog said "There is a major difference between
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November 23, 2006, 10:43 PM | #36 |
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Read Fred's colum in Shotgun News for a while, and see if you don't start understanding
I started out reading Fred's articles in SGN, and thought, "Wow, this guy is making alot of sense." Then I finally logged on to read about Any rifle can be used in Give them a try, I belive most will be happy that they did. www.rwva.org
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November 24, 2006, 09:35 AM | #37 |
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To me, I guess a rifleman is one who's skilled in hitting what he wants to hit. He's not limited to benchrest or hasty rest or sling, but can hit offhand. Hunting, IMO, he's not afraid to take a shot on a running target. He shoots at a particular place on an animal, not just "in
To get there takes thoughtful practice--and quite a bit of it over a lengthy period of time such that much of A rifle is a deadly weapon, regardless of type or cartridge. IMO, a true rifleman is always aware of this--but without dwelling on it. As to a decline in Art |
November 24, 2006, 07:50 PM | #38 |
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I agree Art,
mkh100 has some good points regarding Another thing is that there are a lot of guys my age who were raised in that culture, but when our elders pass on, we tend to forget If you feel any desire at all to learn to use a rifle and practice this art called riflery,, You should... No matter who your grandfather was. It would be really great to get a group of willing vets together with a group of willing younger guys sometime. We're out here.
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November 24, 2006, 11:31 PM | #39 |
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Nothing beats a good rifle
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I learned to shoot from my dad, a WWII vet. He had an expert marksman medal and could shoot rings around me. He was one tough old bird. I enjoy shooting my revolvers, semi-autos, and shotguns, but nothing beats putting one in There's nothing better than one (or more) good rifles. |
November 25, 2006, 10:42 AM | #40 |
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November 25, 2006, 11:07 PM | #41 |
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To me, a rifleman is one who understands his rifle is only as good as he is. Point being, whether it's a $100 milsurp, or $2000 benchrest rifle, he can get
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November 27, 2006, 10:09 PM | #42 |
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I must put a few more thoughts into this thread.
And I welcome all those reading or involved to add yours as well. I took a gamble starting this thread, and it paid off. I knew this subject would rub a few of you raw, in one way or another.... Some have agreed with my statements, some have not... It was never my intention to turn anyone away. I started this thread because I recognize But, we do... I do.. So do you... We just can't help it.. I'm surprised by how many of We get together here to talk rifles, debate rifles, buy and sell rifles..... And with But we can't deny
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Then again, I guess I just kinda answered my own question. I myself don't consider myself a mechanic, and I certainly don't hold a legit mechanical title, but I have a few friends who call me their mechanic and such. I guess it is just aquired eh? I still wouldn't use -Max. |
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November 28, 2006, 12:41 AM | #45 |
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Bennn, perhaps I fail to see your intentions of this thread?
I think theres no real issue with And questioning what you were taught isn't a negative thing. Everything is always in question, it's what makes progress in Or am I missing |
November 28, 2006, 12:46 AM | #46 |
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I agree with Art about being able to hit offhand and shooting at running game with confidence. I'm in my early sixties and have shot turkey shoots of various configurations and won at least my share of turkey and running deer shoots offhand, with a bolt-action rifle. I've also won an offhand competition called
In my early shooting career, I wore out three BB guns and more than a couple .22 inexpensive rifles. I shot woodchucks and crows with a .30-06 as practice for deer hunting, shooting everything inside 150 yards offhand. It worked! I also learned to glassbed rifles and have done many for myself, for friends, even commercially over Yes, I'm a Rifleman, but just consider myself a Shooter instead of a "shooter", since I really like shotgun and handgun shooting a lot too. I handload rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammo, including cast bullets. I also shoot rimfire benchrest and have been a police firearms instructor. My big thing is that shooting must be fun! I'm not into "black guns", full-auto, etc., but don't feel negatively towards those who do, unless we're sharing a firing line and their bullets spray my targets, or worse. BTW, IMHO, they're not Riflemen. Picher |
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I do not believe that anyone can become a rifleman without shooting at living targets under less than optimal conditions. I believe that is takes more than “deer hunting” to become a rifleman. Fire fights during war do not make a rifleman either. It is good experience if you live through it and that knowledge may be applied to becoming a rifleman, but that’s not all that is required.
You have to be good every shot, not just lucky. You have to know your weapon and where I have made some good shots. I have gone 40/40 on an Army qualification range on several occasions. I have made perfect shots on running game from off hand. However, I have made a lot of bad shot and I have missed game that was standing still. I once barely qualified on a range due to sever weather and poor range conditions. I am not a rifleman, but I strive to improve so that I can someday combine all of my experiences to improve myself. I feel that it is hard to be a rifleman these days. Too little time is spent in
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whiskey, posts like that are a big part of
I have been jumped on a few times for starting this thread, and I expected it.. But once we get that out of Sure, I know it's only words on And more to come, I hope...
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