November 11, 2012, 07:07 PM | #1 |
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Ammo tax.. Is this true?
I just heard that
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November 11, 2012, 07:12 PM | #2 |
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Chicago has/proposed a .05 cent tax on ALL ammo.
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Since when can the president simply levy new taxes? Some people will believe anything, I swear.
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Chicago considered proposing a per round tax of 5 cents but from what I recently read that they got pressure and decided to not propose it
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ors_picks=true Stated reason for the tax, in that article : "Preckwinkle said the average shooting victim cost taxpayers $52,000 in acute care because nearly 70 percent of the victims don't have health insurance, ... " |
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This is ridiculous they would have to sell 2080 guns to cover just one shooting victim, so obviously this is not meant to offset those cost. This is obviously just stealth gun control and I fear we may see more of it.
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But my point stands...
Local and state governments can certainly do that, and are, but that is where political activism by gun owners needs to happen. Last edited by Bud Helms; November 11, 2012 at 11:50 PM. Reason: politics by name |
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I realize he thinks ea doing the country a favor but do you know how many more jobs would be lost if he did that? Chain reaction- Ammo mfgs layoff, small guys close, gun companies layoff, ranges close, training places layoff and/or close their doors.
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The purpose is to get a $25 tax in now and bump it to $500 when the political climate is right.
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There's no such tax on the table, nor have I heard of any legislation to that effect. Whoever told you that is either parroting something they heard, or they are lying to get your money.
Hey, if they want to try taxing ammunition, I say bring it. That opens the door to some very interesting and potentially game-changing litigation.
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From the standpoint of gun-control advocates, the blowback could be very bad indeed.
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So what Frigget88 said is BS?
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November 11, 2012, 11:46 PM | #16 |
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Frigget88 asked some questions and repeated some things he's heard.
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There will be a fight regarding the $25.00 tax on firearms sold in Cook County IL. It boils down to a tax on a fundamental right.
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My guess is that even though the new $25 gun tax does not go into effect immediately, it will have the impact of driving gun sales out of Crook County right away. And for whatever it is worth, two local gun shops here in northern IL have told me that gun and ammo sales have jumped dramatically since the re-election last week of Obama.
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"The President cannot levy any taxes without the cooperation of Congress."
That is what you need to know and remember when you hear someone talking about this stuff, folks. Some years ago we had a persistent rumor that the IRS, of its own volition, was going to lay a tax on firearms by requiring them to be listed individually on your tax return. They could do that because, well, because they are the IRS, and they can put taxes in place without having to go to Congress. BRAVO. SIERRA. We fought that one for quite some time, because people just don't understand how the Constitution in this country works. EDIT IN: OK, it was Senate Bill 2099, in which the Senate Finance Committee allegedly had the power to bring new taxes into law of their own accord, NOT the IRS. Still BS. A subcommittee of either the House or the Senate still can't bypass the Constitutional process to get new legislation into place.
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Some people just love to belive any nonsense that comes in an e-mail, especially if it puts Obama in a bad light.
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In Cook County, the tax had to be approved by the Council, not only the mayor of Chicago. The bullet tax was dropped and the per gun tax on new purchases was enacted. |
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Prices and shortages have so far been the result of market activity, not any legislation that has been passed.
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I can't recall the website that lists all the proposed legislation - maybe someone here can... If you go there and search for bills that have the word "ammunition", there's quite a few where the bill's sponsor is proposing a rediculosly high tax on ammunition. Ah here it is: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php I looked for something current and there isn't anything I could find right now. In the past though, Shumer and company had sponsored such bills. They go no where. More than likely that's what it is and not the president (although I doubt Last edited by Bud Helms; November 12, 2012 at 04:35 PM. Reason: politics by name |
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Schumer - spelling police here.
Not that I have much use for him.
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A President cannot levy taxes. Only Congress can levy taxes.
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