CCW incident in Baton Rouge?

AKhunter · February 21, 2006, 08:44 PM

Have any of you heard about this incident? Here is the link: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.html A few comments: It seems that the dead guy had already been shot in the stomach by the cop in question. The shooter gave one verbal command for the dead guy to get off of the cop, then shot him four times in the chest. A second verbal command was followed by a fatal shot to the head. What have you heard in addition to this? What do you think?

AK

Dwight55 · February 23, 2006, 07:29 PM

The way I read it, . . . it seemed to be a necessary shooting, . . . but you never know how everyone else will take it.

An Ohio State Patrolman shot and killed a guy in southern Ohio a couple days ago, . . . the guy first tried shooting the patrolman with a .45, . . . they rassled for control, . . . he wouldn't give up or give it up, . . . the officer pulled his own weapon and shot him in the side of the head, . . . ending the confrontation.

The news played it up that the officer had other options, . . . "Why did he shoot him in the head????"

You just don't know.

May God bless,
Dwight

sterno · February 23, 2006, 08:04 PM

I haven't really heard anything else about it.

I think it was a justified shooting. Here in Louisiana you can use leathal force to preserve someone else's life if the someone else that is being attacked would be within their legal rights to use it.

Besides, what does that guy think? He can attack a cop and not risk getting shot? Not that cops should go around shooting people that give them trouble, but come on. You play with fire and you get burned...or shot.

rapier144 · February 23, 2006, 09:04 PM

Whats rassled mean? I couldn't find it in the dictionary.

XavierBreath · February 23, 2006, 10:57 PM

Armed Citizen Saves Cop in Baton Rouge

On Friday, Feb. 17, 2005, a CCW holder armed with a .45 caliber handgun saved a policeman's life in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Officer Brian Harrision was escorting a funeral procession when he pulled over 24 year old George Temple II, a local businessman, to write him a ticket for breaking into the procession. That's when Temple physically attacked Harrison. During the struggle, which went to the ground, Officer Harrison shot Temple once in the abdomen. Police say Perry Stevens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, was walking out of a store when he heard Officer Harrison yelling for help. Harrison was on his back with Temple on top of him. Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol.

Stevens ordered Harrison's attacker to stop the attack and get off the officer. The verbal commands were ignored. The armed citizen fired four shots, all of which struck Temple in the torso. With Temple still on top of the officer, Stevens advanced toward the struggle. He again ordered Temple to stop the attack, and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored. Stevens then fired a fifth and final shot into the head of George Temple, turning his brains into mush, and stopping his deadly attack with justified lethal force.

No charges have been filed.

gb_in_ga · February 23, 2006, 11:11 PM

Rassle defined.

GodblessAmerica · February 23, 2006, 11:52 PM

I read details of this incident on THR yesterday. Sounds like a legitimate shoot to me. XB, do you have any details of Steven's shooting position in relationship to the struggle? I'm just envisioning how hard it would be to get off 5 shots into the perp without any chance of overpenetration into the officer, unless perp was sitting up on officer and well exposed from all sides.

AKhunter · February 24, 2006, 12:39 AM

That 's pretty much how I felt about it. I especially like that the CCW shooter was wearing a neck brace and carrying a cane. Hardly a menace to society, eh? No tactical BS, no trash talk, just common sense and a steady hand. Very Nice. My new hero.

AK

SBrocker8 · February 24, 2006, 08:16 AM

I think it's tragic that there's people out there willing to fistfight, and by extension DIE (you fight with a cop, you SHOULD know he could well kill you) over trying to get ahead in traffic by breaking into a funeral procession. I mean, c'mon, seriously, HOW BAD could that ticket be? A few hundred dollars??? Perhaps this is an issue where the gene pool needed to be cleansed, though, as this guy was obviously not all there, and seems to have an extensive rap sheet.

I'd also be interested in the dynamics of this shoot. Where the perp was, where the shooter was, and where the cop was for each shot.

Al Norris · February 24, 2006, 08:38 AM

Some facts have come out on this incident. I had the links to post over at THR, but someone beat me to it. Wasn't posted here, so I deleted the links.

The perp was some kind of amateur or semi-pro boxer. He had several convictions for battery and the like. He had the officer on the ground, was sitting atop of his chest while he repeatedly beat the officers face.

At one point, the officer had managed to get his service pistol out and had fired 3 times, only once hitting the perp in the abdomen.

The Samaritan was exiting the store when he heard the officers cries for help. He retrieved his .45 and ordered the perp off the officer. The perp ignored the order so the Samaritan fired 4 shots into the torso of the perp and again ordered him to stand down. The perp ignored the order and the Samaritan fired once more into his skull. Aggression stopped. Gene pool cleansed.

Bo Hunter · February 24, 2006, 11:29 AM

Maybe the armed citizen should have had a .45 instead of a 9mm because everyone knows 4 shots to the chest with a .45 would...oh wait.....

In all seriousness though - anyone know if the guy killed was on anything but an adrenaline high? Anyone know what type of ammunition the shooter used? I'm surprised, if it was a close range encounter, and those were 4 good shots center mass, that the 5th shot was required. Just goes to show you - hand guns are small!

TexasSIGMan · February 24, 2006, 11:34 AM

No no no, Rassling defined

Mr_Magoo · February 24, 2006, 11:37 AM

5 shots hit and the perp was still attacking . . .
A head shot sealed the deal.

Was PCP a factor?

riverrat66 · February 24, 2006, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Aggression stopped. Gene pool cleansed.

Amem to that! Only thing is he wasted four shots. He just should have put one in this guys pumpkin and got it over with! Mr. Stevens deserves a medal.

bclark1 · February 24, 2006, 12:29 PM

a 24-year-old "business owner" driving a mercedes who cuts into a funeral procession... sounds shady to me. i didn't like him without the criminal record, glad we know he's - was - a tough though too. anyone who would disregard others that flagrantly, anyone who would start a deadly-force altercation with a cop over a ticket... i'm glad he kept fighting and got himself done in, taxpayers shouldn't covering somebody like that. may someone cut off his funeral procession.

i didn't like how the first article was written. the references to old event create kind of a "wild west" spectacle of cops and CCW'ers.

DennisD · February 24, 2006, 03:07 PM

Sounds like Temple was suffering from what I like to call SBS (Spoiled Brat Syndrome). I live in a small town near Houston and unfortunately I run into this type of driving just about every day when driving into the city on business. A lot of people drive really aggressive; they use turn only lanes and shoulders to pass, flagrantly run stop signs and red lights etcetera. I call it SBS because it is my theory that they were spoiled brats when growing up and never outgrew that behavior (and a lot of them were also bullys when young). They seem to think they are more important than anyone else and don’t have to obey the law or show respect for anyone else. They live their lives just like they were spoiled little kids. Then when they get caught “Oh, it wasn’t my fault, it was because (fill in the blank here)".

riverrat66 · February 24, 2006, 03:34 PM

Breaking into a funeral procession shows a total lack of respect and I would consider this a mercy killing, ya know just cleansing the earth of all the garbage. Temple was supposedly some kind of amateur or semi-pro boxer and had several convictions for battery and the like. Saying he was a bully is putting it mildly! No one will miss him.

nscale · February 24, 2006, 03:34 PM

DennisD you got it right on my friend

I live near Houston too and you are right. And what about the crime rate going up recently since we have the refugees looking for an easy target here in the Houston area?

If you think you are above the law...It can get you dead

invention_45 · February 24, 2006, 04:37 PM

DennisD and nscale:

You should try driving in Miami and surrounding areas for a day or two. I think the cops have just given up.

For some reason, this thread brought to mind a bumper sticker I saw in the '80s. "Come Back to Miami...(we weren't shooting at YOU)".

rapier144 · February 24, 2006, 04:47 PM

Four shots with a .45. Must have been ball ammo.

bclark1 · February 24, 2006, 05:08 PM

simunitions? rat shot?

BerettaBuckeye · February 24, 2006, 05:47 PM

The city of Baton Rouge should give Mr. Stevens a medal AND the scumbag's Mercedes.

marks655 · February 24, 2006, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Whats rassled mean? I couldn't find it in the dictionary.

Get a copy of the book: "How to Speak Cajun"

Ironic that he joined a funeral procession .... Almost like going to your own funeral...

Glockamolie · February 24, 2006, 06:19 PM

I guess we should all start putting some money together for this good samaritan's legal defense from the civil trial that's sure to take place.

rapier144 · February 24, 2006, 06:24 PM

If that happened in tennessee he wouldn't have to worry about being sued. Good samaritan law would protect him from lawsuits.

February 21, 2006, 08:44 PM	#1
AKhunter Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Posts: 50	CCW incident in Baton Rouge? Have any of you heard about this incident? Here is the link: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2343136.html A few comments: It seems that the dead guy had already been shot in the stomach by the cop in question. The shooter gave one verbal command for the dead guy to get off of the cop, then shot him four times in the chest. A second verbal command was followed by a fatal shot to the head. What have you heard in addition to this? What do you think? AK

February 23, 2006, 07:29 PM	#2
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	The way I read it, . . . it seemed to be a necessary shooting, . . . but you never know how everyone else will take it. An Ohio State Patrolman shot and killed a guy in southern Ohio a couple days ago, . . . the guy first tried shooting the patrolman with a .45, . . . they rassled for control, . . . he wouldn't give up or give it up, . . . the officer pulled his own weapon and shot him in the side of the head, . . . ending the confrontation. The news played it up that the officer had other options, . . . "Why did he shoot him in the head????" You just don't know. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

February 23, 2006, 08:04 PM	#3
sterno Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 362	I haven't really heard anything else about it. I think it was a justified shooting. Here in Louisiana you can use leathal force to preserve someone else's life if the someone else that is being attacked would be within their legal rights to use it. Besides, what does that guy think? He can attack a cop and not risk getting shot? Not that cops should go around shooting people that give them trouble, but come on. You play with fire and you get burned...or shot. __________________ .38, .39; whatever it took. Sterno's Myspace - Grayskull Myspace

February 23, 2006, 09:04 PM	#4
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	Whats rassled mean? I couldn't find it in the dictionary. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

February 23, 2006, 10:57 PM	#5
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	Armed Citizen Saves Cop in Baton Rouge On Friday, Feb. 17, 2005, a CCW holder armed with a .45 caliber handgun saved a policeman's life in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Officer Brian Harrision was escorting a funeral procession when he pulled over 24 year old George Temple II, a local businessman, to write him a ticket for breaking into the procession. That's when Temple physically attacked Harrison. During the struggle, which went to the ground, Officer Harrison shot Temple once in the abdomen. Police say Perry Stevens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, was walking out of a store when he heard Officer Harrison yelling for help. Harrison was on his back with Temple on top of him. Stevens went to his car and grabbed his .45 caliber pistol. Stevens ordered Harrison's attacker to stop the attack and get off the officer. The verbal commands were ignored. The armed citizen fired four shots, all of which struck Temple in the torso. With Temple still on top of the officer, Stevens advanced toward the struggle. He again ordered Temple to stop the attack, and get off the officer. Those commands are ignored. Stevens then fired a fifth and final shot into the head of George Temple, turning his brains into mush, and stopping his deadly attack with justified lethal force. No charges have been filed. __________________ Xavier's Blog

February 23, 2006, 11:11 PM	#6
gb_in_ga Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2005 Location: Pensacola, Fl Posts: 3,092	Rassle defined. __________________ COME AND TAKE IT http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/batgon.htm Formerly lived in Ga, but now I'm back in Tx! Aaaand, now I'm off to Fla...

February 23, 2006, 11:52 PM	#7
GodblessAmerica Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Posts: 162	I read details of this incident on THR yesterday. Sounds like a legitimate shoot to me. XB, do you have any details of Steven's shooting position in relationship to the struggle? I'm just envisioning how hard it would be to get off 5 shots into the perp without any chance of overpenetration into the officer, unless perp was sitting up on officer and well exposed from all sides.

February 24, 2006, 12:39 AM	#8
AKhunter Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Posts: 50	That 's pretty much how I felt about it. I especially like that the CCW shooter was wearing a neck brace and carrying a cane. Hardly a menace to society, eh? No tactical BS, no trash talk, just common sense and a steady hand. Very Nice. My new hero. AK

February 24, 2006, 08:16 AM	#9
SBrocker8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2005 Posts: 111	I think it's tragic that there's people out there willing to fistfight, and by extension DIE (you fight with a cop, you SHOULD know he could well kill you) over trying to get ahead in traffic by breaking into a funeral procession. I mean, c'mon, seriously, HOW BAD could that ticket be? A few hundred dollars??? Perhaps this is an issue where the gene pool needed to be cleansed, though, as this guy was obviously not all there, and seems to have an extensive rap sheet. I'd also be interested in the dynamics of this shoot. Where the perp was, where the shooter was, and where the cop was for each shot.

February 24, 2006, 08:38 AM	#10
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Some facts have come out on this incident. I had the links to post over at THR, but someone beat me to it. Wasn't posted here, so I deleted the links. The perp was some kind of amateur or semi-pro boxer. He had several convictions for battery and the like. He had the officer on the ground, was sitting atop of his chest while he repeatedly beat the officers face. At one point, the officer had managed to get his service pistol out and had fired 3 times, only once hitting the perp in the abdomen. The Samaritan was exiting the store when he heard the officers cries for help. He retrieved his .45 and ordered the perp off the officer. The perp ignored the order so the Samaritan fired 4 shots into the torso of the perp and again ordered him to stand down. The perp ignored the order and the Samaritan fired once more into his skull. Aggression stopped. Gene pool cleansed.

February 24, 2006, 11:29 AM	#11
Bo Hunter Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 2004 Location: New York Posts: 107	Maybe the armed citizen should have had a .45 instead of a 9mm because everyone knows 4 shots to the chest with a .45 would...oh wait..... In all seriousness though - anyone know if the guy killed was on anything but an adrenaline high? Anyone know what type of ammunition the shooter used? I'm surprised, if it was a close range encounter, and those were 4 good shots center mass, that the 5th shot was required. Just goes to show you - hand guns are small!

February 24, 2006, 11:34 AM	#12
TexasSIGMan Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 139	No no no, Rassling defined

February 24, 2006, 11:37 AM	#13
Mr_Magoo Member Join Date: January 11, 2001 Posts: 46	5 shots hit and the perp was still attacking . . . A head shot sealed the deal. Was PCP a factor?

February 24, 2006, 12:29 PM	#15
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	a 24-year-old "business owner" driving a mercedes who cuts into a funeral procession... sounds shady to me. i didn't like him without the criminal record, glad we know he's - was - a tough though too. anyone who would disregard others that flagrantly, anyone who would start a deadly-force altercation with a cop over a ticket... i'm glad he kept fighting and got himself done in, taxpayers shouldn't covering somebody like that. may someone cut off his funeral procession. i didn't like how the first article was written. the references to old event create kind of a "wild west" spectacle of cops and CCW'ers.

February 24, 2006, 03:07 PM	#16
DennisD Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 365	Sounds like Temple was suffering from what I like to call SBS (Spoiled Brat Syndrome). I live in a small town near Houston and unfortunately I run into this type of driving just about every day when driving into the city on business. A lot of people drive really aggressive; they use turn only lanes and shoulders to pass, flagrantly run stop signs and red lights etcetera. I call it SBS because it is my theory that they were spoiled brats when growing up and never outgrew that behavior (and a lot of them were also bullys when young). They seem to think they are more important than anyone else and don’t have to obey the law or show respect for anyone else. They live their lives just like they were spoiled little kids. Then when they get caught “Oh, it wasn’t my fault, it was because (fill in the blank here)".

February 24, 2006, 03:34 PM	#17
riverrat66 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2004 Location: Western New York Posts: 394	Total lack of respect Breaking into a funeral procession shows a total lack of respect and I would consider this a mercy killing, ya know just cleansing the earth of all the garbage. Temple was supposedly some kind of amateur or semi-pro boxer and had several convictions for battery and the like. Saying he was a bully is putting it mildly! No one will miss him.

February 24, 2006, 03:34 PM	#18
nscale Member Join Date: January 16, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 67	DennisD you got it right on my friend I live near Houston too and you are right. And what about the crime rate going up recently since we have the refugees looking for an easy target here in the Houston area? If you think you are above the law...It can get you dead __________________ Whether you believe you can do a thing, or not; You are right. Henry Ford

February 24, 2006, 04:37 PM	#19
invention_45 Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2006 Location: Broward County Posts: 972	DennisD and nscale: You should try driving in Miami and surrounding areas for a day or two. I think the cops have just given up. For some reason, this thread brought to mind a bumper sticker I saw in the '80s. "Come Back to Miami...(we weren't shooting at YOU)".

February 24, 2006, 04:47 PM	#20
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	Four shots with a .45. Must have been ball ammo. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt

February 24, 2006, 05:08 PM	#21
bclark1 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,531	simunitions? rat shot?

February 24, 2006, 05:47 PM	#22
BerettaBuckeye Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2006 Location: In The Heart Of The Buckeye Nation Posts: 558	The city of Baton Rouge should give Mr. Stevens a medal AND the scumbag's Mercedes. __________________ (\__/) "I would rather be your friend, but if you are (='.'=) not interested in that, I am prepared to be (")_(") a capable and efficient enemy." - Jeff Cooper

February 24, 2006, 06:19 PM	#24
Glockamolie Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 359	I guess we should all start putting some money together for this good samaritan's legal defense from the civil trial that's sure to take place. __________________ Brandon

February 24, 2006, 06:24 PM	#25
rapier144 Senior Member Join Date: October 2, 2005 Location: tennessee Posts: 686	If that happened in tennessee he wouldn't have to worry about being sued. Good samaritan law would protect him from lawsuits. __________________ Scan and Breathe Scan and Breathe Stupidity should hurt