30-06?

325wsm · July 26, 2009, 10:09 AM

I was wondering if anyone had any info on reloading a 30-06 with 150gr. Barnes tsx, using IMR 4350. Doing it for a friend and have been having trouble. Info I've read called for 60gr of powder, so I tried it and that fills the casing right to the brim. The Barnes bullet is pretty long and there's no way I'd be able to seat a bullet. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

freakshow10mm · July 26, 2009, 10:22 AM

Pick up a Barnes manual for using their bullets.

60gr seems like a max charge as it states in the Hodgdon manual for the 140gr X bullet as well as the 150gr NBT bullet. Both loads show 60gr is compressed with IMR4350.

Get a manual, start at the start charge and work up.

bgdv1 · July 26, 2009, 10:26 AM

my speer manual shows imr4350 with 59gr max and 59.4gr max in my hornady manual.

freakshow10mm · July 26, 2009, 10:32 AM

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my speer manual shows imr4350 with 59gr max and 59.4gr max in my hornady manual.

With a Barnes TSX bullet?

325wsm · July 26, 2009, 12:25 PM

Yes, Barnes tsx 15ogr.

freakshow10mm · July 26, 2009, 12:34 PM

I was referring to the other poster who quoted data from Speer and Hornady, both of which only give data using THEIR brand of bullets. There is not any Barnes TSX data in either the Speer or Hornady manuals thus do not pay attention to that post. It is not accurate or applicable to your situation.

Like I said, contact Barnes and/or buy a Barnes loading manual to use data for Barnes bullets.

elkman06 · July 26, 2009, 09:04 PM

Not a bad combination on the powder and bullet choice. I shoot very similar loads w/ the exception being that I tend to use Hornaday bullets. I have found that any of the loads I have tried in the 60gr of 4350 range tend to hurt and don't seem to shoot any better. You might want to tone it down a bit.
elkman06

325wsm · July 27, 2009, 08:01 AM

Could you tell me the gr. you used etc. so I have a starting point. Thanks

elkman06 · July 27, 2009, 10:20 PM

How about .. www.barnesbullets.com

I have some 168 gr TSX's I plan to load for my Springfield. After looking at them again, IMR 4350 might not work very well w/ them. You are right in that they are very long.
elkman06

kiwi56 · July 29, 2009, 02:40 AM

I have also found in the past that some of the Speer load data for various calibers is a little whimpy compared to some of the other manuals. Start with starting loads and work the loads up yourself. There are some obvious pressure signs to tell you your loads are too hot.
Primers This is an indication loads may be a bit warm
Case Head expansion get a set of calipers to compare case heads from different loads.
Velocity testing with a chronograph, if suddenly you think your load is too good to be true then it probably is.

NWPilgrim · July 29, 2009, 03:58 AM

You might also try Hodgdon site since they ist Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powder load data.

http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

They do not list the 150 gr TSX, but they list 150 gr Ballistic Tip and 165 HP with about 56.0 gr - 60.0gr (compressed) for IMR4350.

You might want to try a slightly faster powder such as Varget or IMR4895 or IMR4064 which will have much less powder (low 50s).

GeauxTide · July 29, 2009, 10:34 AM

I've used 52gr. of IMR 4064 with 150 Hornady, Speer, and Sierra and gotten fantastic results. Out of 24", I get 2950 with an extreme spread of 26fps. 7/8" groups. I use slower powders at 165 and up.

kiwi56 · July 30, 2009, 09:31 PM

Hodgdon H4350 has always done it for me in the 06

W. C. Quantrill · July 30, 2009, 10:10 PM

I run 59 gr of IMR 4350 under a Hornady 165 BTSP for 2935 fps. This is my one load in my .30-06 for all game at all ranges. If I rest it, I am getting MOA at 300 with it. Cant ask for better than that. Hodgdons recommendations are hotter than Sierras or Speers. I actually am not the least impressed with Speers book. Sierra and Hornady have books that give me much better information and are more to my needs.

One thing I might mention to the new loader here, is, that I have been using 4350 for a long time. I started out with IMR 4350, because that is what I could get, then I switched to H4350. H4350 is one of Hodgdons imported powders. Its dam good powder and more stable in temperature than IMR powder. When you compare powders for lets say a 165 gr bullet, 4350 is right up at the top at 2938 fps. Cool. Only 59 gr. 115 loads in a pound. Well if you keep looking, you get down the list and you come to Varget. WOW,,,2880 fps.. 50 fps less than 4350...but,,,Hmmm 50 gr load to get that,,,135 loads to a pound. I notice things like that. I can guarentee you that I cannot tell 50 fps on my shoulder when we are humping close to 2900 fps. The thing that I'm getting at is that as much as I like 4350, it wont work in some of my other rifles as well. But Varget is good in all of them. So, I'm changing to Varget once I'm out of 4350. I will have one powder for all loads, and get more loads per pound that way. Compare your powders and your load for efficiency.

Bob-T-Hunter · July 31, 2009, 06:11 PM

I am also looking for load data for Barnes TTSX bullets. I just bought the new tipped x bullets in 168 grain. I used the standard TSX bullets last year with 55.5 grains of IMR 4350 with excellent results.

I do see a little bulging in my cases however and I'm concerned that pressures may be to extreme so I want to confirm before loading again this year with the new bullets.

I currently only load for the 30-06 as that is all I hunt with and, all my hunting partners have the same caliber and use my reloads. I really hate to buy a $25.00 barnes reload manual just to find out how much IMR 4350 they recommend for the 168 grain TTSX. Or to find out that they don't even list it. On their website they only list 2 powders. 4064 and Big Game

Old Grump · July 31, 2009, 11:01 PM

I use 4350 for everything from 30-30 to 300 Weatherby and find my accurate load in 30-06 is only 56 gr of powder. Plenty of power and it shoots tiny groups, what more can you ask.

bgdv1 · August 1, 2009, 08:24 AM

barnes web site lists the 150gr tsx-bt w/ H4895 start load 48.5 gr for 2822 fps with a max load of 51 gr for 2975 fps.thats out of a 24" barrel, win brass and fed 210 primers , c.o.l. 3.205"

Old Grump · August 1, 2009, 10:01 AM

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barnes web site lists the 150gr tsx-bt w/ H4895 start load 48.5 gr for 2822 fps with a max load of 51 gr for 2975 fps.thats out of a 24" barrel, win brass and fed 210 primers , c.o.l. 3.205"

but he is asking specifically about 4350

325wsm · August 1, 2009, 05:05 PM

Thank you all for your help. Mr. Grump is that with a 150gr. bullet?

Bob-T-Hunter · August 1, 2009, 07:26 PM

W.C.

I was at bass pro the other day looking for a barnes book and one of the employees who obviously knew what he was talking about with reloading spoke to me for about 30 minutes. He was highly recommending the Varget as well for 30-06, stating that it has a similar burn rate to imr4064 but is far less temperatrue sensitive. Perhaps I'll try it soon when I load some 130's for my dad's 270..

I went ahead and bought IMR 4064 for the barnes TTSX bullets being discussed here because I'm ready to load, Barnes lists this powder on their web site, it's a good powder, and I'm tired of hunting down data for 4350 with this bullet. No one seems to have it.

Old Grump · August 1, 2009, 07:40 PM

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Thank you all for your help. Mr. Grump is that with a 150gr. bullet?

150gr. Barnes tsx, out of a Ruger rifle with a 22" barrel. I don't know what gun or barrel you are shooting but this will be a start to work from.

elkman06 · August 2, 2009, 07:38 AM

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135 loads to a pound

I notice such things as well. I've started using 4064 w/ about 10gr less and comparable accuracy.
elkman

Bob-T-Hunter · August 4, 2009, 08:09 PM

Barnes sent this to me today when I requested the informatin via e-mail.

I'm really starting to like that company.

This should answer all your load data questions.

Hope I attached it right.

July 26, 2009, 10:09 AM	#1
325wsm Junior Member Join Date: July 26, 2009 Location: Bismarck, N.D. Posts: 9	30-06? I was wondering if anyone had any info on reloading a 30-06 with 150gr. Barnes tsx, using IMR 4350. Doing it for a friend and have been having trouble. Info I've read called for 60gr of powder, so I tried it and that fills the casing right to the brim. The Barnes bullet is pretty long and there's no way I'd be able to seat a bullet. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

July 26, 2009, 09:04 PM	#7
elkman06 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2006 Location: Wyoming Posts: 885	Not a bad combination on the powder and bullet choice. I shoot very similar loads w/ the exception being that I tend to use Hornaday bullets. I have found that any of the loads I have tried in the 60gr of 4350 range tend to hurt and don't seem to shoot any better. You might want to tone it down a bit. elkman06 __________________ "The right of the citizens to bear arms in the defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied." Wyoming Constitution Article 1, Sec24 "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

July 27, 2009, 10:20 PM	#9
elkman06 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2006 Location: Wyoming Posts: 885	How about .. www.barnesbullets.com I have some 168 gr TSX's I plan to load for my Springfield. After looking at them again, IMR 4350 might not work very well w/ them. You are right in that they are very long. elkman06 __________________ "The right of the citizens to bear arms in the defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied." Wyoming Constitution Article 1, Sec24 "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

July 29, 2009, 02:40 AM	#10
kiwi56 Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2009 Location: Auckland NewZealand Posts: 350	Speer Loads I have also found in the past that some of the Speer load data for various calibers is a little whimpy compared to some of the other manuals. Start with starting loads and work the loads up yourself. There are some obvious pressure signs to tell you your loads are too hot. Primers This is an indication loads may be a bit warm Case Head expansion get a set of calipers to compare case heads from different loads. Velocity testing with a chronograph, if suddenly you think your load is too good to be true then it probably is.

July 29, 2009, 03:58 AM	#11
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,346	You might also try Hodgdon site since they ist Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powder load data. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp They do not list the 150 gr TSX, but they list 150 gr Ballistic Tip and 165 HP with about 56.0 gr - 60.0gr (compressed) for IMR4350. You might want to try a slightly faster powder such as Varget or IMR4895 or IMR4064 which will have much less powder (low 50s). __________________ "The ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone. ... The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition." - James Madison

July 26, 2009, 10:22 AM	#2
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	Pick up a Barnes manual for using their bullets. 60gr seems like a max charge as it states in the Hodgdon manual for the 140gr X bullet as well as the 150gr NBT bullet. Both loads show 60gr is compressed with IMR4350. Get a manual, start at the start charge and work up.

July 26, 2009, 10:26 AM	#3
bgdv1 Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: butler,pa Posts: 146	my speer manual shows imr4350 with 59gr max and 59.4gr max in my hornady manual.

July 26, 2009, 12:25 PM	#5
325wsm Junior Member Join Date: July 26, 2009 Location: Bismarck, N.D. Posts: 9	Yes, Barnes tsx 15ogr.

July 26, 2009, 12:34 PM	#6
freakshow10mm Junior member Join Date: January 23, 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,398	I was referring to the other poster who quoted data from Speer and Hornady, both of which only give data using THEIR brand of bullets. There is not any Barnes TSX data in either the Speer or Hornady manuals thus do not pay attention to that post. It is not accurate or applicable to your situation. Like I said, contact Barnes and/or buy a Barnes loading manual to use data for Barnes bullets.

July 27, 2009, 08:01 AM	#8
325wsm Junior Member Join Date: July 26, 2009 Location: Bismarck, N.D. Posts: 9	Could you tell me the gr. you used etc. so I have a starting point. Thanks

July 29, 2009, 10:34 AM	#12
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,424	I've used 52gr. of IMR 4064 with 150 Hornady, Speer, and Sierra and gotten fantastic results. Out of 24", I get 2950 with an extreme spread of 26fps. 7/8" groups. I use slower powders at 165 and up.

July 30, 2009, 09:31 PM	#13
kiwi56 Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2009 Location: Auckland NewZealand Posts: 350	30-06 Hodgdon H4350 has always done it for me in the 06

July 30, 2009, 10:10 PM	#14
W. C. Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2008 Location: No Man's Land Posts: 354	I run 59 gr of IMR 4350 under a Hornady 165 BTSP for 2935 fps. This is my one load in my .30-06 for all game at all ranges. If I rest it, I am getting MOA at 300 with it. Cant ask for better than that. Hodgdons recommendations are hotter than Sierras or Speers. I actually am not the least impressed with Speers book. Sierra and Hornady have books that give me much better information and are more to my needs. One thing I might mention to the new loader here, is, that I have been using 4350 for a long time. I started out with IMR 4350, because that is what I could get, then I switched to H4350. H4350 is one of Hodgdons imported powders. Its dam good powder and more stable in temperature than IMR powder. When you compare powders for lets say a 165 gr bullet, 4350 is right up at the top at 2938 fps. Cool. Only 59 gr. 115 loads in a pound. Well if you keep looking, you get down the list and you come to Varget. WOW,,,2880 fps.. 50 fps less than 4350...but,,,Hmmm 50 gr load to get that,,,135 loads to a pound. I notice things like that. I can guarentee you that I cannot tell 50 fps on my shoulder when we are humping close to 2900 fps. The thing that I'm getting at is that as much as I like 4350, it wont work in some of my other rifles as well. But Varget is good in all of them. So, I'm changing to Varget once I'm out of 4350. I will have one powder for all loads, and get more loads per pound that way. Compare your powders and your load for efficiency. __________________ NRA Life Whittington Center Life Last edited by W. C. Quantrill; July 30, 2009 at 10:18 PM.

July 31, 2009, 06:11 PM	#15
Bob-T-Hunter Junior Member Join Date: July 31, 2009 Location: Near Dallas Tx Posts: 6	I am also looking for load data for Barnes TTSX bullets. I just bought the new tipped x bullets in 168 grain. I used the standard TSX bullets last year with 55.5 grains of IMR 4350 with excellent results. I do see a little bulging in my cases however and I'm concerned that pressures may be to extreme so I want to confirm before loading again this year with the new bullets. I currently only load for the 30-06 as that is all I hunt with and, all my hunting partners have the same caliber and use my reloads. I really hate to buy a $25.00 barnes reload manual just to find out how much IMR 4350 they recommend for the 168 grain TTSX. Or to find out that they don't even list it. On their website they only list 2 powders. 4064 and Big Game

July 31, 2009, 11:01 PM	#16
Old Grump Member in memoriam Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in Posts: 3,144	I use 4350 for everything from 30-30 to 300 Weatherby and find my accurate load in 30-06 is only 56 gr of powder. Plenty of power and it shoots tiny groups, what more can you ask. __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

August 1, 2009, 08:24 AM	#17
bgdv1 Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: butler,pa Posts: 146	barnes web site lists the 150gr tsx-bt w/ H4895 start load 48.5 gr for 2822 fps with a max load of 51 gr for 2975 fps.thats out of a 24" barrel, win brass and fed 210 primers , c.o.l. 3.205"

August 1, 2009, 05:05 PM	#19
325wsm Junior Member Join Date: July 26, 2009 Location: Bismarck, N.D. Posts: 9	Thank you all for your help. Mr. Grump is that with a 150gr. bullet?

August 1, 2009, 07:26 PM	#20
Bob-T-Hunter Junior Member Join Date: July 31, 2009 Location: Near Dallas Tx Posts: 6	W.C. I was at bass pro the other day looking for a barnes book and one of the employees who obviously knew what he was talking about with reloading spoke to me for about 30 minutes. He was highly recommending the Varget as well for 30-06, stating that it has a similar burn rate to imr4064 but is far less temperatrue sensitive. Perhaps I'll try it soon when I load some 130's for my dad's 270.. I went ahead and bought IMR 4064 for the barnes TTSX bullets being discussed here because I'm ready to load, Barnes lists this powder on their web site, it's a good powder, and I'm tired of hunting down data for 4350 with this bullet. No one seems to have it.