hunting regs help

kwells6 · December 29, 2009, 10:15 PM

what states allow a person to use a 45-70 to hunt with in black powder season, and what are the regs?

Doyle · December 29, 2009, 10:27 PM

I seem to recall something about Alabama recently changing the law to allow it. Don't rely just on me though - my memory isn't what it used to be.

hogdogs · December 29, 2009, 11:25 PM

I do not think it is allowed in Fla... not positive about it though...
Brent

Swampghost · December 29, 2009, 11:41 PM

Generally it is considered a cartridge that is still currently manufactured which eliminates it's use here for BP season.

I couldn't get a decent answer out of the FWC or BATFE guys at a recent gunshow in Palm Beach. I was also asking about shipping Trapdoors, again no definitive answers.

One would think that the Gov't would not want to be represented by some goobs. In this case they pulled it off nicely.

Crankylove · December 30, 2009, 12:54 AM

Would be illegal in Utah. Here, we don't have a "Black Powder" season, its "Muzzleloader" instead. Must be a muzzleloading rifle, with a .45 cal minimum (I think), and also a minimum ball/bullet wieght, using black powder or black powder substitute (Pyrodex is ok, no smokeless).

Hog Buster · December 30, 2009, 07:46 AM

In Louisiana it's called Primitive Firearms Season. It covers black powder guns (rifles and pistols .44 cal or larger) muzzle loaders or in line. Breech loading rifles (.38 cal or larger) of a kind manufactured prior to 1900 or a replica of that type having an exposed hammer, using metallic cartridges loaded with smokeless or black powder. Scopes are allowed. This gives us about a week prior to and after regular gun season.
La Department of Wildlife and Fisheries has a list of allowed primitive weapons.
I use an H&R Buffalo Classic 45/70. Way too much gun for deer, but you have to do what you have to do.

steveno · December 30, 2009, 08:23 AM

I doubt that any state allows a 45-70 regardless powder type to be used in a blackpowder season. it is a centerfire round

Doyle · December 30, 2009, 08:52 AM

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I doubt that any state allows a 45-70 regardless powder type to be used in a blackpowder season. it is a centerfire round

Not so young Grasshopper. Some states don't have "blackpower" season - they have "primitive weapons" season and certain centerfire calibers used in certain types of weapons are allowed (see the previous post about Louisiana).

Florida is definately NOT one of the states where it is allowed.

steveno · December 30, 2009, 09:49 AM

I doubt that the H & R Buffalo rifle is a replica of any rifle prior to 1900. I would think that it implies a Sharps , rolling block or Springfield. if it is allowed it is a very loose definition of the terms

Hog Buster · December 30, 2009, 03:03 PM

Steveno

Yet once again you are wrong. The H&R Buffalo Classic is a copy of an 1871 rifle. But then again I was taught to never argue with a fool, because others might not be able to tell the difference.

steveno · December 30, 2009, 04:15 PM

just so I won't post another foolish question just what rifle is the H & R Buffalo rifle to be a replica of?

Hog Buster · December 30, 2009, 05:15 PM

Steveno

I'll type this real slow.......a H&R Model 1871 Rifle.............OK

steveno · December 30, 2009, 06:30 PM

so how come it doesn't show up in the blue book under H & R? the only rifle mentioned in the blue book is the H & R copy of the Springfield 1873 and doesn't mention anything of the Buffalo rifle. there isn't any mention at all of anything 1871. are we talking about the single shot break action with a 45-70 barrel stuck on it or something else as that is the only H & R Buffalo rifle that I'm seen? if there was another rifle I think it would be at least mentioned in the blue book

steveno · December 30, 2009, 06:35 PM

I just looked in a 2006 Gun Digest and the Buffalo rifle is shown how I thought it was made. the company name is H & R 1871 LLC. the rifle was introduced in 1995. there isn't any mention of an 1871 rifle

Hog Buster · December 30, 2009, 07:32 PM

steveno

Try reading this:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/h-r_rifles.htm

bamaranger · December 31, 2009, 01:37 PM

MS allows cartridge guns if they are over a certain caliber (.44?) single shot, and the action dates prior a certain era (1900?) , iron sights, etc. The intent was supposedly to allow the BPCR guys to hunt w/ their Sharps, etc.

What has happened is that the H & R single shots in .44 mag and .45-70 qualify.
Gun shops did a landmark business on them. Everybody switched from inline muzzleloaders. The "muzzleloader" kill has risen dramitically. Which is what the state and the insurance companies probably wanted.

December 29, 2009, 10:15 PM	#1
kwells6 Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Central Arkansas Posts: 437	hunting regs help what states allow a person to use a 45-70 to hunt with in black powder season, and what are the regs? __________________ "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

December 29, 2009, 11:41 PM	#4
Swampghost Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: Florida, east coast Posts: 2,106	Generally it is considered a cartridge that is still currently manufactured which eliminates it's use here for BP season. I couldn't get a decent answer out of the FWC or BATFE guys at a recent gunshow in Palm Beach. I was also asking about shipping Trapdoors, again no definitive answers. One would think that the Gov't would not want to be represented by some goobs. In this case they pulled it off nicely. __________________ NRA Patron Member

December 30, 2009, 12:54 AM	#5
Crankylove Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2008 Location: 8B ID Posts: 1,753	Would be illegal in Utah. Here, we don't have a "Black Powder" season, its "Muzzleloader" instead. Must be a muzzleloading rifle, with a .45 cal minimum (I think), and also a minimum ball/bullet wieght, using black powder or black powder substitute (Pyrodex is ok, no smokeless). __________________ The answer to 1984 is 1776

December 30, 2009, 07:46 AM	#6
Hog Buster Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2009 Location: Pointe Coupee, Louisana Posts: 772	In Louisiana it's called Primitive Firearms Season. It covers black powder guns (rifles and pistols .44 cal or larger) muzzle loaders or in line. Breech loading rifles (.38 cal or larger) of a kind manufactured prior to 1900 or a replica of that type having an exposed hammer, using metallic cartridges loaded with smokeless or black powder. Scopes are allowed. This gives us about a week prior to and after regular gun season. La Department of Wildlife and Fisheries has a list of allowed primitive weapons. I use an H&R Buffalo Classic 45/70. Way too much gun for deer, but you have to do what you have to do. __________________ Those who beat their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.-Thomas Jefferson Last edited by Hog Buster; December 30, 2009 at 07:47 AM. Reason: Spelling

December 30, 2009, 08:23 AM	#7
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	I doubt that any state allows a 45-70 regardless powder type to be used in a blackpowder season. it is a centerfire round Last edited by steveno; December 30, 2009 at 08:31 AM.

December 29, 2009, 10:27 PM	#2
Doyle Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2007 Location: Rainbow City, Alabama Posts: 7,167	I seem to recall something about Alabama recently changing the law to allow it. Don't rely just on me though - my memory isn't what it used to be.

December 29, 2009, 11:25 PM	#3
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	I do not think it is allowed in Fla... not positive about it though... Brent

December 30, 2009, 09:49 AM	#9
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	I doubt that the H & R Buffalo rifle is a replica of any rifle prior to 1900. I would think that it implies a Sharps , rolling block or Springfield. if it is allowed it is a very loose definition of the terms

December 30, 2009, 03:03 PM	#10
Hog Buster Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2009 Location: Pointe Coupee, Louisana Posts: 772	Steveno Yet once again you are wrong. The H&R Buffalo Classic is a copy of an 1871 rifle. But then again I was taught to never argue with a fool, because others might not be able to tell the difference. __________________ Those who beat their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.-Thomas Jefferson

December 30, 2009, 04:15 PM	#11
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	just so I won't post another foolish question just what rifle is the H & R Buffalo rifle to be a replica of?

December 30, 2009, 05:15 PM	#12
Hog Buster Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2009 Location: Pointe Coupee, Louisana Posts: 772	Steveno I'll type this real slow.......a H&R Model 1871 Rifle.............OK __________________ Those who beat their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.-Thomas Jefferson

December 30, 2009, 06:30 PM	#13
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	so how come it doesn't show up in the blue book under H & R? the only rifle mentioned in the blue book is the H & R copy of the Springfield 1873 and doesn't mention anything of the Buffalo rifle. there isn't any mention at all of anything 1871. are we talking about the single shot break action with a 45-70 barrel stuck on it or something else as that is the only H & R Buffalo rifle that I'm seen? if there was another rifle I think it would be at least mentioned in the blue book

December 30, 2009, 06:35 PM	#14
steveno Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Minden , Nebraska Posts: 1,407	I just looked in a 2006 Gun Digest and the Buffalo rifle is shown how I thought it was made. the company name is H & R 1871 LLC. the rifle was introduced in 1995. there isn't any mention of an 1871 rifle

December 30, 2009, 07:32 PM	#15
Hog Buster Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2009 Location: Pointe Coupee, Louisana Posts: 772	steveno Try reading this: http://www.chuckhawks.com/h-r_rifles.htm __________________ Those who beat their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.-Thomas Jefferson

December 31, 2009, 01:37 PM	#16
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,296	Mississippi MS allows cartridge guns if they are over a certain caliber (.44?) single shot, and the action dates prior a certain era (1900?) , iron sights, etc. The intent was supposedly to allow the BPCR guys to hunt w/ their Sharps, etc. What has happened is that the H & R single shots in .44 mag and .45-70 qualify. Gun shops did a landmark business on them. Everybody switched from inline muzzleloaders. The "muzzleloader" kill has risen dramitically. Which is what the state and the insurance companies probably wanted.

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