Save the Saiga-12 by emailing the ATF before May 1, 2011

Jabberwalky · April 21, 2011, 08:58 PM

raacfirearms.com says "The ATF is not approving paperwork for import. We don't have any inventory and will not be getting more unless the ATF changes their mind."

Tell the ATF what you think about this.

Comments to the BATFE may be submitted by e-mail to [email protected], or by fax to (202) 648-9601, and must be received by May 1, 2011. Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages. All comments must include name and mailing address.

Learn more at the NRA link http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=6576

oneounceload · April 21, 2011, 09:25 PM

based on what? a STUDY that was done?...............

Technosavant · April 21, 2011, 09:41 PM

You must not have read the ATF document they published, found any of the threads written on this, or even thought real hard about this beyond buying into whatever rumors you read.

I suggest you read the actual study the ATF published. The Saiga 12, as imported, will not be affected.

kenno · April 21, 2011, 10:17 PM

three weeks

pelo801 · April 22, 2011, 06:39 PM

well maybe someone with more knowledge can tell. i'm not buying into any of the scare, but why doesn't anyone have them in stock right now? and with now ETA? my LGS just bumped up the price on them. they went from 600-ish to 850-ish, and they are on back order. some guy on ksl has one for $1200, and it's in stock configuration. anybody know what's going on?

Technosavant · April 22, 2011, 07:50 PM

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well maybe someone with more knowledge can tell. i'm not buying into any of the scare, but why doesn't anyone have them in stock right now? and with now ETA? my LGS just bumped up the price on them. they went from 600-ish to 850-ish, and they are on back order. some guy on ksl has one for $1200, and it's in stock configuration. anybody know what's going on?

There's several factors. First, imported guns, especially from Russia, tend to ebb and flow onto the market. When a shipment comes in, they're everywhere and cheap. When it's been a while, they're rare and more expensive. Second, the importer of the Saiga has changed from what I understand, and that means it's been a little longer since we've gotten many into the country. Third, it's what you see here- folks who don't know what the ATF has said but pass along the panicky rumors, so they buy them when they see them because they may not be available later. Panic buying means prices go up.

Heck, I ought to sell mine right now- I might actually be able to get out of it what I have into it.

Bartholomew Roberts · April 24, 2011, 01:37 AM

The Saiga as imported should not be affected; but many popular shotguns, imported and domestic, pump or semi, may be affected by this study and you should write ATF.

kozak6 · April 24, 2011, 04:51 PM

Dear BATFE:

Reading is hard, so I didn't bother to actually read your study. However, I did get a scary email about how the study says that you really want to ban all tactical shotguns, and especially the Saiga 12.

Please don't.

Hugs and kisses,
~kozak6

oneounceload · April 24, 2011, 09:27 PM

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well maybe someone with more knowledge can tell. i'm not buying into any of the scare, but why doesn't anyone have them in stock right now? and with now ETA? my LGS just bumped up the price on them. they went from 600-ish to 850-ish, and they are on back order. some guy on ksl has one for $1200, and it's in stock configuration. anybody know what's going on?

Well, starting with basic economics, a seller has to price his goods plus profit, at the his replacement costs basic Econ 101

As to why they are not in stock - those guns are produced in batches and sold as such.....this typical and not out of the ordinary......if you are looking at them as an investment, Exxon is a better choice

Green Hornet · May 2, 2011, 03:25 PM

well, cant get theme here in il anymore. i was also told that you cant get the pistol grip and ar type stocks anymore. im glad i got all my stuff a while ago, but i never had a chance to fire mine yet.

Technosavant · May 2, 2011, 03:41 PM

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i was also told that you cant get the pistol grip and ar type stocks anymore

Don't listen to that person. He/she clearly doesn't know anything. It's quite simple to get one's hands on any type of stock and grip for AK pattern firearms.

BuzzGun · May 6, 2011, 12:03 PM

The part that really burns me when you read the article on the NRA
website is the fact that this "working Group" within the ATF, Doesn't
Want to consider practical shooting matches because they believe that's
of "military and police orientation". They believe you should be helpless
and dependent on the government.
Just thought it was intersting.

Law abiding citizens should be well armed and competent users of there firearms hence the practical shooting matches.

The police perform their jobs well but it's up to you to stay alive until they get there.

JohnnyBmore · May 11, 2011, 08:37 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know Atlantic just got a limited shipment of saiga 12's in & I think there will be a few left after the pre-orders are filled .....

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct536.aspx

MLeake · May 13, 2011, 03:37 PM

Just received an email response from ATF to the input I submitted last month:

"U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Dear Sir or Madame:
Thank you for responding to the Shotgun Study. Your assistance will further promote ATF’s ability to support the firearms industry. We will review and consider your comments and suggestions.
If you have any questions, you may contact the Firearms and Explosives Industry Division @ 202-648-7090. Once again, thank you for your email.

Firearms and Explosives Industry Division
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives"

Wonder how many such emails they will send?

April 21, 2011, 08:58 PM	#1
Jabberwalky Junior Member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Posts: 1	Save the Saiga-12 by emailing the ATF before May 1, 2011 raacfirearms.com says "The ATF is not approving paperwork for import. We don't have any inventory and will not be getting more unless the ATF changes their mind." Tell the ATF what you think about this. Comments to the BATFE may be submitted by e-mail to [email protected], or by fax to (202) 648-9601, and must be received by May 1, 2011. Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages. All comments must include name and mailing address. Learn more at the NRA link http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=6576 Last edited by Mal H; April 23, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason: Removing erroneous statement concerning permission to post.

May 11, 2011, 08:37 PM	#13
JohnnyBmore Member Join Date: June 29, 2009 Posts: 95	Just wanted to let everyone know Atlantic just got a limited shipment of saiga 12's in & I think there will be a few left after the pre-orders are filled ..... http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct536.aspx __________________ " Emergency's seldom favor the unprepared "

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April 21, 2011, 09:25 PM	#2
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	based on what? a STUDY that was done?...............

April 21, 2011, 09:41 PM	#3
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	You must not have read the ATF document they published, found any of the threads written on this, or even thought real hard about this beyond buying into whatever rumors you read. I suggest you read the actual study the ATF published. The Saiga 12, as imported, will not be affected.

April 21, 2011, 10:17 PM	#4
kenno Junior member Join Date: November 3, 2008 Posts: 180	three weeks

April 22, 2011, 06:39 PM	#5
pelo801 Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2009 Posts: 718	well maybe someone with more knowledge can tell. i'm not buying into any of the scare, but why doesn't anyone have them in stock right now? and with now ETA? my LGS just bumped up the price on them. they went from 600-ish to 850-ish, and they are on back order. some guy on ksl has one for $1200, and it's in stock configuration. anybody know what's going on?

April 24, 2011, 01:37 AM	#7
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	The Saiga as imported should not be affected; but many popular shotguns, imported and domestic, pump or semi, may be affected by this study and you should write ATF.

April 24, 2011, 04:51 PM	#8
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Dear BATFE: Reading is hard, so I didn't bother to actually read your study. However, I did get a scary email about how the study says that you really want to ban all tactical shotguns, and especially the Saiga 12. Please don't. Hugs and kisses, ~kozak6

May 2, 2011, 03:25 PM	#10
Green Hornet Junior Member Join Date: July 2, 2009 Posts: 8	well, cant get theme here in il anymore. i was also told that you cant get the pistol grip and ar type stocks anymore. im glad i got all my stuff a while ago, but i never had a chance to fire mine yet.

May 6, 2011, 12:03 PM	#12
BuzzGun Junior Member Join Date: April 28, 2011 Posts: 14	The part that really burns me when you read the article on the NRA website is the fact that this "working Group" within the ATF, Doesn't Want to consider practical shooting matches because they believe that's of "military and police orientation". They believe you should be helpless and dependent on the government. Just thought it was intersting. Law abiding citizens should be well armed and competent users of there firearms hence the practical shooting matches. The police perform their jobs well but it's up to you to stay alive until they get there.

May 13, 2011, 03:37 PM	#14
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	Just received an email response from ATF to the input I submitted last month: "U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Dear Sir or Madame: Thank you for responding to the Shotgun Study. Your assistance will further promote ATF’s ability to support the firearms industry. We will review and consider your comments and suggestions. If you have any questions, you may contact the Firearms and Explosives Industry Division @ 202-648-7090. Once again, thank you for your email. Firearms and Explosives Industry Division Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives" Wonder how many such emails they will send?