gsg fake silencer now illegal ?

liberty1 · February 13, 2010, 10:08 PM

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505187
Any truth to this ?

Lurch37 · February 13, 2010, 11:40 PM

Well it seems as if there is some truth to it by looking thru those links. I would hope that lots more info would be provided before everyone gets too worked up. It does not look good for those owning a SD Model of the GSG right now but things could change for the better or worse.

hayes1966 · February 15, 2010, 08:42 AM

Dealer in CT removed all his from the racks after an ATF audit. Not sure what is happening yet as there are several other gun shops with them for sale.

Excellent communication from the ATF on the product.

Skans · February 15, 2010, 09:02 AM

I'm interested to know what was problematic with the fake suppressors. Were they easy to convert to real ones? Or is this a ban based simply on the look of it.

gyvel · February 15, 2010, 09:03 AM

Not one word about it on their website.

LukeA · February 15, 2010, 09:13 AM

As far as I can tell, this whole episode has been caused by a single email.

Willie Lowman · February 15, 2010, 09:17 AM

Till I see a copy of the ATF letter I am gonna call bull**** to this.

full.tang.halo · February 15, 2010, 12:43 PM

Massive update from Chris @ ATI on the above mentioned ar-15.com forums.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=305635&page=2

Quote:

gyvel: Not one word about it on their website.

Chris says in the post that the web admin is out sick and they are going to try to get it up tomorrow

RobsImprza00 · February 20, 2010, 07:45 PM

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(GunReports.com) — In the wake of a recent ATF reclassificaton of its GSG 5 SD barrel shroud as a suppressor, ATI has initiated an immediate recall of all barrel shrouds on its GSG 5 SD firearms.

A letter issued by ATI states:

To all retail customers:

On January 2010 American Tactical Imports Inc received official notification from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and explosives that the original barrel shroud (aka: fake suppressor) supplied with your GSG 5 SD model must be replaced. It has been determined that this shroud is regulated under the National Firearms Act. American Tactical will provide a replacement shroud at no charge for each GSG 5 SD model sold or currently in inventory.

Consumers in possession of a GSG 5 SD model with the original shroud in place on the firearm are now in violation of the NFA. To avoid continued violation of the NFA, ATI asks that all persons in possession obtain a replacement shroud as soon as possible. We anticipate arrival of the new shrouds to begin by the middle of February 2010.

IMPORTANT: THE ORIGINAL SD MODEL SHROUD MUST BE RETURNED ACCOMPANIED BY THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER BEFORE A REPLACEMENT SHROUD IS ISSUED. THE DIAMETER OF THE SD SHROUD IS 1-9/16”. DO NOT RETURN THE SMALLER CARBINE SHROUD.

WHAT TO DO:

If possible return your old shroud to the dealer where purchased and show him this notice. The shroud will be returned to ATI along with a list of serial numbers from the guns that the shrouds were removed. ATI will send replacements to the dealer for pick up at your convenience; ATI will be sending replacements as fast as logistics allow. If your dealer is out of business or difficult to reach, or you purchased your gun used, from a consumer, return the shroud directly by US mail or UPS to American Tactical Imports Inc. 100 Airpark Drive Rochester, NY 14624.

PLEASE TRY NOT TO CALL US. We will provide comprehensive information on our web sites: www.AmericanTactical.us, and www.AR15.com or by e-mail to [email protected].

REMEMBER, INCLUDE THE FIREARM SERIAL NUMBER WITH EACH SHROUD OR A REPLACEMENT WILL NOT BE ISSUED.

This action IS NOT being instituted through any fault and is strictly due to NFA compliance. American Tactical will assume the responsibility to satisfy the requirements in an effort to minimize the impact on our customers and protect your investment.

We at American Tactical Imports Inc. sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this unfortunate situation.

Sincerely,
Anthony DiChario
President C.E.O. retailcandoc.021210

My question is i have the 1st anni edition and it came with a 1-1/4" fake suppressor, im guessing this doesnt fall under their specs so i would be good?

full.tang.halo · February 20, 2010, 08:33 PM

if your gsg 5 looks like this

Then you need to get it replaced, any other gsg-5's are ok as it sets right now, but you know the atf can always change it's mind......

liberty1 · February 20, 2010, 09:36 PM

Dropped mine off at the dealer yesterday. I guess we will see how long this takes.

RobsImprza00 · February 21, 2010, 01:48 PM

Not quite like that, i have the narrower barrel cover and it doesnt have any writing on it.

I told the guy at my range today about this, considering he sold 2-3 of them he now needs to get in touch with those customers.

Venom1956 · February 21, 2010, 02:52 PM

Wow that is the stupidest **** I've ever heard. really? really? :barf::barf::barf:

Skans · February 21, 2010, 02:56 PM

I'd like to know BATFE's basis for demanding a recall. This thing isn't a silencer or suppressor by any definition. If BATFE is requiring this action, it should state WHY it is requiring it. Otherwise, if I had one, I'd take my chances.

I don't get it - BATFE says "TURN IT IN, OR ELSE" and no one else is questioning this???

Venom1956 · February 21, 2010, 03:07 PM

Definately. I would love to see someone that is able and willing to give the ATF a hell of a time over an aluminum tube.

But what bothers me the most is the principle... Like you can have these send em in or... I mean W T _ is that? THEY work for US not the other way around. I wanna see how much the actually 'Suppress' a .22lr I wanna see proof as well. No pro gun rights people blew a whistle on this?

David Hineline · February 21, 2010, 04:36 PM

My guess would be that people did form 1ns on the fake silencer and made it real so the ATF take on that is that it's too close to a real silencer hence regulated.

shouldacouldawoulda · February 21, 2010, 08:41 PM

Well... That's our free country for ya. I just had a L.E. friend find this out about his GSG-5. Now he is a little upset, as he just purchased his weapon
2 weeks ago.

tdrizzle · February 22, 2010, 11:01 AM

I understood the recall to be caused by the fake suppressor actually lowering the sound report slightly, making it a de facto real suppressor.

Not sure why someone didn't test this before selling them, but it's what I have read in a couple of different places, and it does make sense (sort of).

Skans · February 22, 2010, 11:09 AM

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I understood the recall to be caused by the fake suppressor actually lowering the sound report slightly, making it a de facto real suppressor.

Not sure why someone didn't test this before selling them, but it's what I have read in a couple of different places, and it does make sense (sort of).

I don't see how this is possible, unless the barrel is somehow ported into the baffle.

goodspeed(TPF) · February 22, 2010, 03:33 PM

Tagged.

Samuel2001 · February 28, 2010, 10:59 PM

I was told that the original SD can that was submitted to ATF for evaluation and import permits was a solid chunk of aluminium and with a hole just large enough for the barrel to slide into. The Current item is hollow and closed at the ends, with the threaded cap on one end and the one with the hole just large enough for the barrel to peek out of at the other. Some space between the barrel and outer can.

I guess they are afraid some one will drill ports thru the barrel and fill the hollow can with some sort of sound suppressing media.

jmorris · March 1, 2010, 08:53 AM

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I understood the recall to be caused by the fake suppressor actually lowering the sound report slightly, making it a de facto real suppressor.

Look at the photo above the silver part in the center is the barrel. As David stated, get a F1 trim the barrel back, add in a few K's and blind pin the bottom of the tube so you don't have an SBR and you have a suppressor.

February 13, 2010, 10:08 PM	#1
liberty1 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 281	gsg fake silencer now illegal ? http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=505187 Any truth to this ? Last edited by liberty1; February 13, 2010 at 10:40 PM.

February 13, 2010, 11:40 PM	#2
Lurch37 Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2006 Location: Middle of Nebraska Posts: 944	Well it seems as if there is some truth to it by looking thru those links. I would hope that lots more info would be provided before everyone gets too worked up. It does not look good for those owning a SD Model of the GSG right now but things could change for the better or worse. __________________ I reject your reality and substitute my own.

February 15, 2010, 08:42 AM	#3
hayes1966 Member Join Date: June 19, 2006 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 29	Dealer in CT removed all his from the racks after an ATF audit. Not sure what is happening yet as there are several other gun shops with them for sale. Excellent communication from the ATF on the product. __________________ NRA Certified Instructor - Si vis pacem, para bellum - http://www.ct-permit.com

February 21, 2010, 02:52 PM	#13
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	Wow that is the stupidest **** I've ever heard. really? really? :barf::barf::barf: __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug

February 21, 2010, 03:07 PM	#15
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	Definately. I would love to see someone that is able and willing to give the ATF a hell of a time over an aluminum tube. But what bothers me the most is the principle... Like you can have these send em in or... I mean W T _ is that? THEY work for US not the other way around. I wanna see how much the actually 'Suppress' a .22lr I wanna see proof as well. No pro gun rights people blew a whistle on this? __________________ E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system.- Yeah I can do that. I guarantee you will know it if a bicyclist hits your house going 1000 mph. -Smaug Last edited by Venom1956; February 21, 2010 at 03:21 PM.

February 15, 2010, 09:02 AM	#4
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I'm interested to know what was problematic with the fake suppressors. Were they easy to convert to real ones? Or is this a ban based simply on the look of it.

February 15, 2010, 09:03 AM	#5
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Not one word about it on their website.

February 15, 2010, 09:13 AM	#6
LukeA Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2009 Posts: 542	As far as I can tell, this whole episode has been caused by a single email.

February 15, 2010, 09:17 AM	#7
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Till I see a copy of the ATF letter I am gonna call bull**** to this.

February 20, 2010, 08:33 PM	#10
full.tang.halo Junior member Join Date: April 16, 2009 Location: Brooksville, FL Posts: 161	if your gsg 5 looks like this Then you need to get it replaced, any other gsg-5's are ok as it sets right now, but you know the atf can always change it's mind......

February 20, 2010, 09:36 PM	#11
liberty1 Senior Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: colorado Posts: 281	Dropped mine off at the dealer yesterday. I guess we will see how long this takes.

February 21, 2010, 01:48 PM	#12
RobsImprza00 Member Join Date: March 9, 2008 Posts: 46	Not quite like that, i have the narrower barrel cover and it doesnt have any writing on it. I told the guy at my range today about this, considering he sold 2-3 of them he now needs to get in touch with those customers.

February 21, 2010, 02:56 PM	#14
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I'd like to know BATFE's basis for demanding a recall. This thing isn't a silencer or suppressor by any definition. If BATFE is requiring this action, it should state WHY it is requiring it. Otherwise, if I had one, I'd take my chances. I don't get it - BATFE says "TURN IT IN, OR ELSE" and no one else is questioning this???

February 21, 2010, 04:36 PM	#16
David Hineline Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 1999 Location: South Sioux City, Nebraska Posts: 704	My guess would be that people did form 1ns on the fake silencer and made it real so the ATF take on that is that it's too close to a real silencer hence regulated.

February 21, 2010, 08:41 PM	#17
shouldacouldawoulda Junior Member Join Date: February 21, 2010 Location: in a state of awarness Posts: 3	Well... That's our free country for ya. I just had a L.E. friend find this out about his GSG-5. Now he is a little upset, as he just purchased his weapon 2 weeks ago.

February 22, 2010, 11:01 AM	#18
tdrizzle Senior Member Join Date: September 11, 2007 Location: St Paul Posts: 209	I understood the recall to be caused by the fake suppressor actually lowering the sound report slightly, making it a de facto real suppressor. Not sure why someone didn't test this before selling them, but it's what I have read in a couple of different places, and it does make sense (sort of).

February 22, 2010, 03:33 PM	#20
goodspeed(TPF) Senior Member Join Date: January 19, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 1,162	Tagged. __________________ It's a trick. Get an axe. http://www.thepiratefleet.com/index.shtml

February 28, 2010, 10:59 PM	#21
Samuel2001 Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2001 Posts: 838	I was told that the original SD can that was submitted to ATF for evaluation and import permits was a solid chunk of aluminium and with a hole just large enough for the barrel to slide into. The Current item is hollow and closed at the ends, with the threaded cap on one end and the one with the hole just large enough for the barrel to peek out of at the other. Some space between the barrel and outer can. I guess they are afraid some one will drill ports thru the barrel and fill the hollow can with some sort of sound suppressing media. __________________ .45 ACP Because no matter how you try to rationalize it, 9mm is still for women and pansies. Build a bridge, and...GET OVER IT!