E.R. Shaw barrels

Bert223 · September 27, 2006, 11:59 AM

Hey everyone,

Does anyone have an er shaw barrel? What is the quality like on it? How does it shoot? How is the fit and finish? I'm looking to get one for a mauser project. Any info on these would be nice. I already checked the website out. Thanks everyone

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cntryboy1289 · September 27, 2006, 03:38 PM

E.R. Shaw makes very good barrels and I think you will be happy with it. The fit and finish is as good as most others and they can shoot very well right out of the box. You may have to figure out the load the barrel likes, but you should have a very good MOA barrel when you are through.

Wildalaska · September 27, 2006, 03:45 PM

Mid range quality...I rate barrels as follows:

Premium: krieger, Lilja, PacNor, Walther, Shilen
Top Quality: Douglas
MidrangeQuality: Shaw

WildwalthersarehardtoworkwithAlaska

hodaka · September 27, 2006, 08:23 PM

WildAlaska,

You forgot Hart, or do you consider them off of the chart? I own 2 Shaw barrels and they are fine for a hunting rifle. Not match quality, not match price.

Wildalaska · September 27, 2006, 08:35 PM

Never used a hart...wait we did once they are up there with the Liljas

WildforgothartAlaska

Scorch · September 28, 2006, 12:52 PM

I would pretty much agree with WildAlaska on ranking the barrels (except Shilens, I would rank them with Douglas as just good). Hart barrels are very, very good, so rank them with the Premium barrels. I build accuracy rifles as a hobby (after gunsmithing for real for several years), and the ER Shaw barrel is a good barrel. As was said, not match quality, not match price.

But so much of match accuracy has to do with the shooter, so someone please tell me where I can get a drop-in kit for that problem.

Harry Bonar · September 28, 2006, 07:26 PM

Dear Sir:
I've used Douglas barrels for years, knew Gardner, both of them, Fred Depoy and there are no finer bbls made - they just invested in a profiling machine that will produce all the factory contours and their own. Call them and talk to Fred Depoy - knows his business!
Harrry B.

tINY · September 28, 2006, 07:39 PM

Scorch,

I think you need a good gun vice and a remote trigger set-up for that.

The Etonix may work, either that or you'll have to modify a remote shutter realease from an obsolete chemical camera.....

-tINY

Bert223 · September 28, 2006, 08:58 PM

Anyone ever use an Adams and Bennett barrel? I have a 10/22 barrel made by them and it shoots fine but how are their centerfire barrels?

cntryboy1289 · September 28, 2006, 09:09 PM

I offer them to my customers. They can have flaws just as many other barrel makers will. I have them on a few of my own rifles and they perform to MOA most of the time. If you are after a hunting rifle, they will be fine just as the Shaw barrels will be as well. I have had to straighten a few out, but most of the time they only need to be put on and shot to shoot in the neighborhood of MOA.

If you want a real shooter, follow Harry's suggestion and put on a Douglas barrel or one of the better quality barrels like WildAlsksa suggested.

Clark · October 11, 2006, 12:29 AM

My "A" barrels;
Shilen stainless steel [they are all lapped]
Lothar Walther
Hart
Lilja
Krieger

My "B+" barrels;
Douglas XX

My "B" barrels;
Remington
Winchester
Military that never saw corrosive ammo
Ruger
Green mountain
Shilen [Chrome moly without hand lapping option]
Parker Hale

The C's
Addams and Bennet [the good ones]
Military barrels that saw a little corrosive ammo

The D's:
Addams and Bennet [the bad ones]
Military barrels that saw lots of corrosive ammo

The F's:
Addams and Bennet [the really bad ones]
Military barrels that look like sewer pipes

The old A&B barrels from Midway were said to be Shaw rejects, and the new A&B barrels are said to be Green Mountain.

joeranger · October 17, 2006, 08:17 PM

http://www.model1sales.com/item-deta...TOKEN=76701359

OK, so a shaw barrel is OK if you don't pay too much?

AndyKUSAF · December 5, 2009, 10:24 PM

I have several custom made rifles the bottom line is accuracy, most if not all the custom barrel makers use 4140 barrel steel and 416 stainless, I do not agree that one is better then the other as the botom line is the accuracy of your rifle. The most accurate rifle i own wears an ER SHAW barrel chamberd in 280 Ackley placing 5 shots in a dime at 100 yards not even my $2000 custom Lilja can do that even though Lilja makes one heck of a barrel. How a barrel is installed, load development, stock fit and bedding to stock and triggers have more to do with accuracy then barrel brands. all are great as these guys would be out of bussness if not.

plainsman456 · December 6, 2009, 04:07 PM

I have used shaw barrels before and I have 2 barrel blanks on order now.They work well,I have 2 in 25 cal that shoot small groups.They are worth the money.A&B barrels are ok also.I just can't bring myself to pay a lot more money for a hunting barrel.Just my exp.

bubba15301 · December 6, 2009, 05:10 PM

had a shaw barrel in 223 rem throat was eroded after 200 rounds

tINY · December 7, 2009, 01:34 PM

Sounds like you were doing something wrong at the loading bench, Bubba....

-tINY

rbernie · December 7, 2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

OK, so a shaw barrel is OK if you don't pay too much?

I've bought four (4) Shaw barrels from M1S for use on different AR15 builds, and all four shot acceptably well. None were stunningly sub-MOA but all delivered solid MOA-ish performance inside of 300 yards in a variety of free-floated upper configurations using generic non-optimized handloads. For the intended uses of those rifles, the barrels were more than adequate. For more critical use, I would probably use a different barrel.

Ivan · December 7, 2009, 04:36 PM

I believe we are pretty close in agreement as to the quality of the premium barrels. A friend of mine has a very heavy E.R. Shaw barrel in .300 Win Mag. I would rate it as average to excellent factory quality barrel.

The following is getting into a lot of opinion, because as we all know, there is a lot of Voodoo and various incantations that must be recited during the construction to have a REALLY good barrel. Also, keep in mind that everyone makes a stinker every once in a while. Hopefully QA catches it but no one really knows until it is installed and fired. Also just about anyone can make a gem as well.

The premium barrels listed are the brands that you would install on a benchrest rifle: Something that would have a hope of putting all the bullets on top of a thumbtack at 100 yards. (Tack Driver!)

The Douglas probably isn't quite as good but quite good enough for a match or target rifle. There are many manufacturers in this category. Good Military barrels are probably a little worse than this followed by good commercial barrels.

I believe the best quality barrels are cut rifled followed by broach rifled followed by button rifled followed by EDM, followed by hammer forged. The button rifled barrel has the best surface finish but must use a softer steel and retains some stress because of the manufacturing method. Precise geometry is more important than best surface finish.

Stainless steel seems to have better erosion resistance than Chrome-moly. There are also some really cool alloys that folks sometimes use for machine gun barrels that are MUCH better, but way to pricey except for the government to use.

FWIW, I have two very similar guns: One wears a chrome-moly Douglas barrel while the other has a stainless Krieger barrel. The Douglas seems to slightly out-shoot the Krieger though both guns do very well.

YMMV.
- Ivan.

Jakes10mm · April 2, 2010, 02:21 PM

Older thread, but looking at a ER Shaw barrel in one of the pre-fit barrel kits from Brownell's for my Savage 110. Definitely some mixed opinions on their quality. I'm looking for a hunting barrel. My Savage action is currently wearing an unknown (claimed to be Savage factory) barrel in 260 Rem. I've decided to move the 260 to a short action and convert the long action back into a 30-06.

Anyone have experience with Brownell's Savage Barrel Kits?

Gunplummer · April 2, 2010, 06:33 PM

15-20 years ago I had a real go around with two barrels from Shaw. One was a replacement for the first one sent. That ended up being a survey pin. Maybe I got two bad ones out of two thousand, I don't know. The one was drilled so crooked I could not believe it. Not bends in it but drilled crooked. It could be they improved over the years, I never ordered another. I only expected hunting quality because of the price and couldn't get that out of them. As far as using chrome moly, they use to advertise "resulpherized", that is like throwing junk back into the steel to make it machine easier.

September 27, 2006, 11:59 AM	#1
Bert223 Member Join Date: May 23, 2005 Posts: 77	E.R. Shaw barrels Hey everyone, Does anyone have an er shaw barrel? What is the quality like on it? How does it shoot? How is the fit and finish? I'm looking to get one for a mauser project. Any info on these would be nice. I already checked the website out. Thanks everyone .

September 27, 2006, 03:38 PM	#2
cntryboy1289 Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2004 Location: Ms Posts: 1,160	yes E.R. Shaw makes very good barrels and I think you will be happy with it. The fit and finish is as good as most others and they can shoot very well right out of the box. You may have to figure out the load the barrel likes, but you should have a very good MOA barrel when you are through.

September 28, 2006, 12:52 PM	#6
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	I would pretty much agree with WildAlaska on ranking the barrels (except Shilens, I would rank them with Douglas as just good). Hart barrels are very, very good, so rank them with the Premium barrels. I build accuracy rifles as a hobby (after gunsmithing for real for several years), and the ER Shaw barrel is a good barrel. As was said, not match quality, not match price. But so much of match accuracy has to do with the shooter, so someone please tell me where I can get a drop-in kit for that problem. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

September 28, 2006, 07:26 PM	#7
Harry Bonar Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,804	barrels Dear Sir: I've used Douglas barrels for years, knew Gardner, both of them, Fred Depoy and there are no finer bbls made - they just invested in a profiling machine that will produce all the factory contours and their own. Call them and talk to Fred Depoy - knows his business! Harrry B.

September 28, 2006, 09:09 PM	#10
cntryboy1289 Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2004 Location: Ms Posts: 1,160	I use them I offer them to my customers. They can have flaws just as many other barrel makers will. I have them on a few of my own rifles and they perform to MOA most of the time. If you are after a hunting rifle, they will be fine just as the Shaw barrels will be as well. I have had to straighten a few out, but most of the time they only need to be put on and shot to shoot in the neighborhood of MOA. If you want a real shooter, follow Harry's suggestion and put on a Douglas barrel or one of the better quality barrels like WildAlsksa suggested.

September 27, 2006, 03:45 PM	#3
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Mid range quality...I rate barrels as follows: Premium: krieger, Lilja, PacNor, Walther, Shilen Top Quality: Douglas MidrangeQuality: Shaw WildwalthersarehardtoworkwithAlaska

September 27, 2006, 08:23 PM	#4
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	WildAlaska, You forgot Hart, or do you consider them off of the chart? I own 2 Shaw barrels and they are fine for a hunting rifle. Not match quality, not match price.

September 27, 2006, 08:35 PM	#5
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Never used a hart...wait we did once they are up there with the Liljas WildforgothartAlaska

September 28, 2006, 07:39 PM	#8
tINY Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Location: Orygun Posts: 2,589	Scorch, I think you need a good gun vice and a remote trigger set-up for that. The Etonix may work, either that or you'll have to modify a remote shutter realease from an obsolete chemical camera..... -tINY

September 28, 2006, 08:58 PM	#9
Bert223 Member Join Date: May 23, 2005 Posts: 77	Anyone ever use an Adams and Bennett barrel? I have a 10/22 barrel made by them and it shoots fine but how are their centerfire barrels?

October 11, 2006, 12:29 AM	#11
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	My "A" barrels; Shilen stainless steel [they are all lapped] Lothar Walther Hart Lilja Krieger My "B+" barrels; Douglas XX My "B" barrels; Remington Winchester Military that never saw corrosive ammo Ruger Green mountain Shilen [Chrome moly without hand lapping option] Parker Hale The C's Addams and Bennet [the good ones] Military barrels that saw a little corrosive ammo The D's: Addams and Bennet [the bad ones] Military barrels that saw lots of corrosive ammo The F's: Addams and Bennet [the really bad ones] Military barrels that look like sewer pipes The old A&B barrels from Midway were said to be Shaw rejects, and the new A&B barrels are said to be Green Mountain.

October 17, 2006, 08:17 PM	#12
joeranger Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 423	http://www.model1sales.com/item-deta...TOKEN=76701359 OK, so a shaw barrel is OK if you don't pay too much?

December 5, 2009, 10:24 PM	#13
AndyKUSAF Junior Member Join Date: December 5, 2009 Posts: 3	rifle Barrels I have several custom made rifles the bottom line is accuracy, most if not all the custom barrel makers use 4140 barrel steel and 416 stainless, I do not agree that one is better then the other as the botom line is the accuracy of your rifle. The most accurate rifle i own wears an ER SHAW barrel chamberd in 280 Ackley placing 5 shots in a dime at 100 yards not even my $2000 custom Lilja can do that even though Lilja makes one heck of a barrel. How a barrel is installed, load development, stock fit and bedding to stock and triggers have more to do with accuracy then barrel brands. all are great as these guys would be out of bussness if not.

December 6, 2009, 04:07 PM	#14
plainsman456 Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Posts: 260	I have used shaw barrels before and I have 2 barrel blanks on order now.They work well,I have 2 in 25 cal that shoot small groups.They are worth the money.A&B barrels are ok also.I just can't bring myself to pay a lot more money for a hunting barrel.Just my exp.

December 6, 2009, 05:10 PM	#15
bubba15301 Member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: pa Posts: 75	had a shaw barrel in 223 rem throat was eroded after 200 rounds

December 7, 2009, 01:34 PM	#16
tINY Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Location: Orygun Posts: 2,589	Sounds like you were doing something wrong at the loading bench, Bubba.... -tINY

December 7, 2009, 04:36 PM	#18
Ivan Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Posts: 141	I believe we are pretty close in agreement as to the quality of the premium barrels. A friend of mine has a very heavy E.R. Shaw barrel in .300 Win Mag. I would rate it as average to excellent factory quality barrel. The following is getting into a lot of opinion, because as we all know, there is a lot of Voodoo and various incantations that must be recited during the construction to have a REALLY good barrel. Also, keep in mind that everyone makes a stinker every once in a while. Hopefully QA catches it but no one really knows until it is installed and fired. Also just about anyone can make a gem as well. The premium barrels listed are the brands that you would install on a benchrest rifle: Something that would have a hope of putting all the bullets on top of a thumbtack at 100 yards. (Tack Driver!) The Douglas probably isn't quite as good but quite good enough for a match or target rifle. There are many manufacturers in this category. Good Military barrels are probably a little worse than this followed by good commercial barrels. I believe the best quality barrels are cut rifled followed by broach rifled followed by button rifled followed by EDM, followed by hammer forged. The button rifled barrel has the best surface finish but must use a softer steel and retains some stress because of the manufacturing method. Precise geometry is more important than best surface finish. Stainless steel seems to have better erosion resistance than Chrome-moly. There are also some really cool alloys that folks sometimes use for machine gun barrels that are MUCH better, but way to pricey except for the government to use. FWIW, I have two very similar guns: One wears a chrome-moly Douglas barrel while the other has a stainless Krieger barrel. The Douglas seems to slightly out-shoot the Krieger though both guns do very well. YMMV. - Ivan.

April 2, 2010, 02:21 PM	#19
Jakes10mm Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Posts: 24	Brownell's Savage Barrel Kits?? Older thread, but looking at a ER Shaw barrel in one of the pre-fit barrel kits from Brownell's for my Savage 110. Definitely some mixed opinions on their quality. I'm looking for a hunting barrel. My Savage action is currently wearing an unknown (claimed to be Savage factory) barrel in 260 Rem. I've decided to move the 260 to a short action and convert the long action back into a 30-06. Anyone have experience with Brownell's Savage Barrel Kits?

April 2, 2010, 06:33 PM	#20
Gunplummer Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2010 Location: South East Pa. Posts: 3,364	15-20 years ago I had a real go around with two barrels from Shaw. One was a replacement for the first one sent. That ended up being a survey pin. Maybe I got two bad ones out of two thousand, I don't know. The one was drilled so crooked I could not believe it. Not bends in it but drilled crooked. It could be they improved over the years, I never ordered another. I only expected hunting quality because of the price and couldn't get that out of them. As far as using chrome moly, they use to advertise "resulpherized", that is like throwing junk back into the steel to make it machine easier.

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