plated vs jacketed

verti89 · July 1, 2009, 03:32 PM

what is the difference? is load data for a Jacketed HP good for a Plated Hp and vice versa??

DaveTrig · July 1, 2009, 04:08 PM

According to Berry's:

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Plated bullets occupy a position between cast bullets and jacketed bullets. They are soft lead, but have a hard outer shell on them. When loading plated bullets we have found best results using low- to mid-range jacketed data in the load manual. You must use data for a bullet that has the same weight and profile as the one you are loading. Do not exceed mid-range loads. Do not use magnum loads.

verti89 · July 1, 2009, 04:35 PM

thanks

Sevens · July 1, 2009, 06:31 PM

And be sure to be CAREFUL with crimping on plated rounds. More trouble when loading in a roll crimped revolver round, but crimping can cut through the VERY thin electroplating and the bullet comes apart before it gets anywhere.

verti89 · July 1, 2009, 06:59 PM

k well i asked because im looking at some .40 bullet options so those wouldnt be roll crimped for sure but that is good to know. thanks

Sevens · July 1, 2009, 07:25 PM

It's been my experience that plated bullets in .40 cal can't really hang with Precision Delta's prices for jacketed .40.

Caveat: I have never used Precision Delta bullets nor ordered from them. A buddy of mine has, others in this forum have. I've been using Nosler's 250 packs of 150gr JHP for reloads in 10mm.

http://www.precisiondelta.com/products_new.htm

**Shane Tuttle** · July 1, 2009, 08:49 PM

I was in disagreement with you Sevens...until I saw Berry's listing price. You're right. PD's showed $98/1000. Berry's was $110.56. Question is, is Precision Delta a good bullet? Guess we'll have to have others to chime in on this issue...

Shoney · July 1, 2009, 08:51 PM

Most of the, if not all of the lead/plated HP's and some of the jacketed HP's are designed for pistol target shooting. By having a hollow interior the lead/plated bullet has a larger area being engraved by the barrel, and are supposed to be more accurate.

Target HP bullets will not expand in the same manner as jacketed HP's designed for hunting and/or PD.

**Shane Tuttle** · July 1, 2009, 09:03 PM

I should clarify my question of a good bullet. I'd say one that's good for plinking, weight variations are within reason, ogive and overall shape is concentric for safe/practical reloading, etc...

Sevens · July 1, 2009, 09:19 PM

What a plated bullet is for me: A bullet I can use on an indoor range.

I tend to load and use cast lead for most of my shooting. Many/most Indoor ranges don't allow them as they make the ventilation and filtration system work much harder to clean the air. Plated bullets allow me to have ammo on hand when the opportunity presents itself to shoot indoors... mostly in the winter months around here when shooting outside isn't practical.

The only time I will typically shoot plated bullets outdoor is during load development. Once I have a good, solid, tested plated bullet load, I don't shoot them until I'm on an indoor range.

As to Precision Delta's quality? I really don't know. They do offer free shipping (as does Berry's) as long as you order at least 2,000 bullets.

DaveTrig · July 1, 2009, 09:45 PM

Wow - just looked at PD's prices. Guess I'll be buying from them next time. I just got a couple thousand plated from Berry's because they were so much cheaper than any other FMJ I could find, and I can't stand all the smoke from lead bullets, as I do almost all my shooting indoors.

Now here's PD coming in at a full cent cheaper per bullet. If someone has first hand experience with PD's stuff, I'd appreciate a review.

That'll Do · July 2, 2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuttle8

I was in disagreement with you Sevens...until I saw Berry's listing price. You're right. PD's showed $98/1000. Berry's was $110.56. Question is, is Precision Delta a good bullet? Guess we'll have to have others to chime in on this issue...

Yup, Precision Delta makes a good bullet. I've used their 124gr 9mm and their 165gr 10mm/40S&W bullets. Well worth the money.

Mac1045 · July 2, 2009, 12:47 PM

I have been a commercial reloader for over 30yrs. I never ever use plated bullets. In a cartridge for use in semi autos especially. Plated bullets cant take a heavy (tight) crimp. When the bullet hits the feed ramp it may seat deeper in the case. suddenly you have a 45 charge in a 380 space. Bad things happen then, pressures go way up, case ruptures, hot gasses set off rounds in magazine. At the very least you will damage your weapon, at worst you will lose some fingers.

Mac1045 · July 2, 2009, 08:18 PM

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July 1, 2009, 03:32 PM	#1
verti89 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Posts: 157	plated vs jacketed what is the difference? is load data for a Jacketed HP good for a Plated Hp and vice versa??

July 1, 2009, 06:31 PM	#4
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	And be sure to be CAREFUL with crimping on plated rounds. More trouble when loading in a roll crimped revolver round, but crimping can cut through the VERY thin electroplating and the bullet comes apart before it gets anywhere. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 1, 2009, 07:25 PM	#6
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	It's been my experience that plated bullets in .40 cal can't really hang with Precision Delta's prices for jacketed .40. Caveat: I have never used Precision Delta bullets nor ordered from them. A buddy of mine has, others in this forum have. I've been using Nosler's 250 packs of 150gr JHP for reloads in 10mm. http://www.precisiondelta.com/products_new.htm __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 1, 2009, 08:49 PM	#7
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	I was in disagreement with you Sevens...until I saw Berry's listing price. You're right. PD's showed $98/1000. Berry's was $110.56. Question is, is Precision Delta a good bullet? Guess we'll have to have others to chime in on this issue... __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

July 1, 2009, 08:51 PM	#8
Shoney Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2002 Location: Transplanted from Montana Posts: 2,311	Most of the, if not all of the lead/plated HP's and some of the jacketed HP's are designed for pistol target shooting. By having a hollow interior the lead/plated bullet has a larger area being engraved by the barrel, and are supposed to be more accurate. Target HP bullets will not expand in the same manner as jacketed HP's designed for hunting and/or PD. __________________ I pledge allegiance to the Flag - - -, and to the Republic for which it stands….Our Forefathers were brilliant for giving us a Republic, not a democracy! Do you know the difference??? and WHY?http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=111

July 1, 2009, 04:35 PM	#3
verti89 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Posts: 157	thanks

July 1, 2009, 06:59 PM	#5
verti89 Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Posts: 157	k well i asked because im looking at some .40 bullet options so those wouldnt be roll crimped for sure but that is good to know. thanks

July 1, 2009, 09:03 PM	#9
Shane Tuttle Staff Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 9,443	I should clarify my question of a good bullet. I'd say one that's good for plinking, weight variations are within reason, ogive and overall shape is concentric for safe/practical reloading, etc... __________________ If it were up to me, the word "got" would be deleted from the English language. Posting and YOU: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

July 1, 2009, 09:19 PM	#10
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 11,756	What a plated bullet is for me: A bullet I can use on an indoor range. I tend to load and use cast lead for most of my shooting. Many/most Indoor ranges don't allow them as they make the ventilation and filtration system work much harder to clean the air. Plated bullets allow me to have ammo on hand when the opportunity presents itself to shoot indoors... mostly in the winter months around here when shooting outside isn't practical. The only time I will typically shoot plated bullets outdoor is during load development. Once I have a good, solid, tested plated bullet load, I don't shoot them until I'm on an indoor range. As to Precision Delta's quality? I really don't know. They do offer free shipping (as does Berry's) as long as you order at least 2,000 bullets. __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

July 1, 2009, 09:45 PM	#11
DaveTrig Member Join Date: May 11, 2009 Location: Putnam County, NY Posts: 96	precision delta Wow - just looked at PD's prices. Guess I'll be buying from them next time. I just got a couple thousand plated from Berry's because they were so much cheaper than any other FMJ I could find, and I can't stand all the smoke from lead bullets, as I do almost all my shooting indoors. Now here's PD coming in at a full cent cheaper per bullet. If someone has first hand experience with PD's stuff, I'd appreciate a review.

July 2, 2009, 12:47 PM	#13
Mac1045 Registration in progress Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 11	No heavy crimp on plated bullets I have been a commercial reloader for over 30yrs. I never ever use plated bullets. In a cartridge for use in semi autos especially. Plated bullets cant take a heavy (tight) crimp. When the bullet hits the feed ramp it may seat deeper in the case. suddenly you have a 45 charge in a 380 space. Bad things happen then, pressures go way up, case ruptures, hot gasses set off rounds in magazine. At the very least you will damage your weapon, at worst you will lose some fingers. Last edited by Shane Tuttle; July 2, 2009 at 08:06 PM. Reason: Removal of hijack content

July 2, 2009, 08:18 PM	#14
Mac1045 Registration in progress Join Date: May 8, 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 11	What?????????????? What is hijack content?